EPTOn October 29 2010 17:20 MiraMax wrote:
It is up to Blizzard to decide!? What is that supposed to mean? What happened to good old "thinking for yourself"? This attitude strikingly reminds me of the infamous "it-is-only-a-foul-if-the-referee-sees-it"-line of argumentation. These guys are trading wins on a ladder in order to get achievements. Of course this constitutes cheating - in any meaningful understanding of the term. They "trick" the system in order to farm wins and therefore manipulate their win/loss ratio. How does the fact that you and/or others don't care about achievements change anything about that?
It is up to Blizzard to decide!? What is that supposed to mean? What happened to good old "thinking for yourself"? This attitude strikingly reminds me of the infamous "it-is-only-a-foul-if-the-referee-sees-it"-line of argumentation. These guys are trading wins on a ladder in order to get achievements. Of course this constitutes cheating - in any meaningful understanding of the term. They "trick" the system in order to farm wins and therefore manipulate their win/loss ratio. How does the fact that you and/or others don't care about achievements change anything about that?
Okay in my opinion this is not cheating.
Foul of the line is completely different, it is clearly against the rules and is just about not being caught. They dont really manipulate the win/loss ratio, just the number of wins. And they dont trick the system as much as play versus opponents who only do the same as a natural extension of playing only for achievements. If they go up against someone who does not win-trade, something that i assume happens, that person will get free wins and his MMR will go up until he no longer is matched against win-traders.
Obviously, they don't seem to harm anyone and that needs to be taken into account when deciding on a reaction. And it may well be that it is better for everybody if those guys continue win trading and don't go back to worker rushing beginners. But a cheat remains a cheat, even if no harm is done. This is not personal opinion, but common sense.
And i ask AGAIN, what rule do the break? You say this is a cheat beacause they dont play the way you think the game should be played. If Blizzard goes out and says wintrading for achivements is forbidden then yes it is cheating.
I will use a comparison, the infamous Spitball in baseball (smearing the ball with spit/other substance to make it harder to hit). This was obviously not something *intended* when baseball rules where created but it was within the rules of the game and players who did it was probably frownded upon but not many called them cheaters and no legal action was taken against any player doing this prior to the rules where changed and spitballs where forbidden.
Did they cheat back then? No they exploited a hole in the rules. That hole was later plugged because it had a big impact on the game.
In this case Blizzard has the right to punish players for using a weakness in the system to farm wins, if they choose to do this or not is up to them and i se nothing that makes this cheating until such a time they do.
They are not playing the game to win, they are playing the game to get achievements and taking the shortest route they can. They play for different reasons than you, with different goals, this does not autimaticly make it cheating.
Dont feels like i am getting anywhere here, my personal opinion is let them waste thier time there if they want to. But if Blizzard choose to take action and forbid it i dont care much about that either.
