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This is plain stupid and whoever that cares about this their brain has farted in a funky manner....
I'd like to read more of kojinshugi's posts though (=
p.s. I wont lie though, when I play someone with a lot of points, cool avatars, etc, etc.. it does caught my eyes and makes me click in their profile to see wtfzor...
I personally have never understood matchmaking systems and I dont think they are that effective at matching people's of same skill... I'm in platinum league and keep getting matched with diamond (high points)players and I keep beating them, when will I get promoted or why do they match'em with plat players?
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If you're beating them at a fairly consistent rate then you should be promoted. I had a 15 game winning streak and just about all of them at the end were diamonds. I finally hit a ceiling, lost and won a few, and shortly after got promoted. If you're getting a mix of diamond and platinum then I'm not so sure.
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There are no 3rd party programs being used, they are not disrupting anyone else's playing experience (free wins? id be so happy if i got matched up against one of them randomly). I cannot see anything happening to these players. They are just doing what they want without negatively hurting anyone else's playing experience. What are they going to get banned for? Giving random players too many wins?
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On October 29 2010 06:44 FinestHour wrote:
There are no 3rd party programs being used, they are not disrupting anyone else's playing experience (free wins? id be so happy if i got matched up against one of them randomly). I cannot see anything happening to these players. They are just doing what they want without negatively hurting anyone else's playing experience. What are they going to get banned for? Giving random players too many wins?
Then you'd still be at the lowest level of Bronze.
I don't really mind them doing their little thing at the bottom of all the leagues.
But I don't get: Why the frick do achievements matter to anyone?
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I don't understand the complaining tbh. They by no means are breaking the rules, are you jealous they'll have more portraits than you because they do it a nolife way? Well it doesn't matter, no rules broken, what do you have against it people?
I personally did it for 750 Protoss wins since I LOVE the Selendis portrait, and I really wanted to have it... I play 1v1 in custom so it would take a loong time for me to get since I don't ladder. I have it now and Im happy. I didn't negatively effect anyone, besides the jealous people who dislike the way I play the game.
Sure, people on TL play 1v1 competitive, I do too for most part, but there are many people who play to get achievements, or fool around on ladder, play UMS. It's because its what makes them happy, so don't hate just because they use the game for a different purpose than you. Maybe you guys never tried getting as many achievements as you can in a game, but threres people that find it fun, me included. It makes me happy to see how Ive been awarded for the dedication on time.
Overall, it's an opinion, and I know most people aren't going to change it after reading this, which is okay, but I want you to understand that some people play video gamesfor achievements, and that doesn't make them stupid, it's just their looking for something else than you from the game. Thank you.
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Won't the people doing this have such a low MMR anyway that it will be extremely hard for them to get back to competive laddering when they have all their icons? If I understand the matchmaking system correctly, they'd get negative MMR and get hardly any points for their wins in the end by being in the bottom of bronze, thus eventually ruining the ladder experience for them anyway. 
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On October 29 2010 07:43 sushiman wrote:Won't the people doing this have such a low MMR anyway that it will be extremely hard for them to get back to competive laddering when they have all their icons? If I understand the matchmaking system correctly, they'd get negative MMR and get hardly any points for their wins in the end by being in the bottom of bronze, thus eventually ruining the ladder experience for them anyway.
Well actually, Im not totally sure, but when I 2v2ed, me and my ally won one, either the guy left or we rushed and won, then we left the next game, so our win to loss ended up being like 900-880... And what actually happened is we got promoted to silver at that point, with about 2100 points. So I don't think it does make your MMR really low.
PS (Silver is a little harder to rush D: )
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On October 29 2010 07:30 Skillz_Man wrote:
I don't understand the complaining tbh. They by no means are breaking the rules, are you jealous they'll have more portraits than you because they do it a nolife way? Well it doesn't matter, no rules broken, what do you have against it people?
I personally did it for 750 Protoss wins since I LOVE the Selendis portrait, and I really wanted to have it... I play 1v1 in custom so it would take a loong time for me to get since I don't ladder.
Selendis is from team games though, so you did harm other players. I don't see a problem with doing it in 1v1 but it was pretty lame leaving your allies to finish a game for you in a team game.
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Didn't warcraft 3 solve this by simply causing a draw if the match ended within a set amount of time? This way they can't farm wins.
But yeah, ultimately icons aren't important. You can't win trade your way into diamond, so it doesn't really affect the game.
I can understand dropping down to bronze for easy wins and get those decals though. The default decals are ugly.
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I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
The problem is that if a significant amount of people do this, it can scew the race win stats. And blizzard is trying t balance their game using stats from all across the leagues.
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On October 29 2010 08:17 zomgtossrush wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
The problem is that if a significant amount of people do this, it can scew the race win stats. And blizzard is trying t balance their game using stats from all across the leagues.
It can screw the race win stats.... in low bronze.
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They should just stick to WoW. And this really isn't cheating.
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On October 29 2010 08:17 zomgtossrush wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
The problem is that if a significant amount of people do this, it can scew the race win stats. And blizzard is trying t balance their game using stats from all across the leagues.
From my research, you can only do this when you are 0-600 point bronze.
And wouldn't people end up with 50% doing this anyway?
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On October 29 2010 08:17 zomgtossrush wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
The problem is that if a significant amount of people do this, it can scew the race win stats. And blizzard is trying t balance their game using stats from all across the leagues.
They wouldn't bother, the stats mean nothing.
Terran would have like a 90%+ win rate vs Random at low bronze because every worker rusher just autoleaves vs Terran.
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They arent cheating OP.
They just end up being paired up being that they are bronze with horrible stats, they probably got paired up so many times that they agreed to such an ordeal and proceeded 2000 wins later....
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They are gaming the system at expense of their records. Like 1001010 other people already said in this thread, it doesn't really matter and won't mess with anything at all. If they wanna spend hours doing this, than that is their game experience, sound shitty to me but to each his own. Doesn't really bother me that there are gay men having sex right now.
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How do you play a friend on ladder?
BTW: doesn't make a difference to me, they are bronze. LOL. Achievement hungry. They don't deserved to be banned for this.
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as someone with experience of XBL, the origin of all this achievement bullshit, this is what happens when you give people incentive for anything but to enjoy the game. they do just that. virtually every popular XBL game has a part of the development team dedicated to making sure there are proper achievements, some better than others but it's clearly an important thing, and more than just giving out arbitrary YEAH YOU DID IT! points. maybe blizzard should put more effort into giving the proper incentives and this wouldn't happen, and trust me, you can completely give right or wrong incentives.
for example, a game i used to play, shadowrun, gave you achievements for using an ability or spell and get a kill with it. some of these abilities and spells were quite frankly awful and basically akin to trying to get 100 kills with a mothership, except harder. the game also was immensely dependant on teamwork. did this stop retards from buying that one spell and that one spell only, and deliberately making sure they got no kills except with that spell every single match, leading to you losing the game if you went up against a team of even decently skilled players? sure didn't. and guess what, they stopped playing the game once they got the achievements, because they only cared about achievements and that was how they figured it was fastest to get them. sc2's achievements are of a different flavor, but promote the same shitty game behavior.
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On October 29 2010 07:51 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 07:30 Skillz_Man wrote:
I don't understand the complaining tbh. They by no means are breaking the rules, are you jealous they'll have more portraits than you because they do it a nolife way? Well it doesn't matter, no rules broken, what do you have against it people?
I personally did it for 750 Protoss wins since I LOVE the Selendis portrait, and I really wanted to have it... I play 1v1 in custom so it would take a loong time for me to get since I don't ladder.
Selendis is from team games though, so you did harm other players. I don't see a problem with doing it in 1v1 but it was pretty lame leaving your allies to finish a game for you in a team game.
Me and a friend did it together, so we weren't harming anyone.
Also with the idea of a time limit... It doesn't solve anything. Think of it this way. If the time limit is 2-3 minutes, if the game is less than that, game is a draw. So in this case you could fast expand every game, and you scouted cheese, you could just leave... But if you make it 1 minute or less, well then waiting for a minute to leave wouldn't be that bad. There is no real solution to this unless you want to resort to banning or something which I think is unfair.
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From my POV this is definately cheating. Its just like match fixing in any other sports, you give each other free wins in order to gain advantages(trophy/achievement). Blizzard should do something about it. Actually, this also reveals another flaw of Bnet 2.0, if you quit the match right away the other person still got a win. I think they need to make it 2-3 mins just like in BW/WC3.
For people said that this didnt affect you, so its not cheat. I dont agree, this may not affect you in anyway but it affects others. Think about someone that also in Bronze but put true efforts in earning his achievements and this is unfair for him.
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