EPTTLO Switches to Zerg - Page 29
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zak
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Carefoot
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
also: GO TLO i love your zerg show us some sick infestor play  | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
On October 25 2010 16:58 StarcraftMan wrote: Yup, Boxer played those games quite well but there was little he could do. Hopefully, Blizzard analyzes the Fruitdealer vs Boxer matches at Blizzcon and rebalance the game accordingly. I wouldn't say zerg are completely broken, the recent patch made ZvZ and ZvP much more enjoyable and balanced. If anything zerg was completely broken before the last patch. ZvT is very hard for the terran now because they will find it nigh impossible to end the game within 15 minutes against a good zerg, which is what terran players are accustomed to. Time will tell if terran players will adapt to this, and if not they may need to be given more of an incentive to play macro games. Glad to hear about TLO playing zerg though, I really enjoyed watching him play when he used to random. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Scarecrow
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lungo
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
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Marb
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just finished watching TLO vs Sen and i quite liked the 2nd game - not as one-sided as it could have been considering Sen has alot more practice as zerg. its also funny, when all terrans complain about being so weak in macro games, but never even consider making their 3rd command center into an orbital instead of a PF (well its OP so i have to make it, dont i? its what ppl do!). it might be harder to defend your 3rd that way but you would also have ... how would day9 say ... more stuff | ||
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Zakka
Netherlands762 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:04 foxmeep wrote: I don't see how playing Zerg is going to help TLO. Zerg is by far the most macro-orientated race, and TLO can't play a macro game for the life of him... Maybe this will improve his macro play overall then. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
And maybe one for "pro's" at like 2200+ or invites or something.. This thread is so insanely filled with junk and people claiming that "Then you can do that to this and that will do that. - INSTANT WIN!" At my level, patch seems ok so far. (I have a positive record vs zergs) Give it a few months. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On October 25 2010 08:19 Choirdrunk wrote: I'm not sure this is a classic balance decision with regards to TLO switching. TLO is known to prefer innovative builds. He doesn't just want to rely on out microing or out macroing players. He wants to out-think players before the battle even begins. With the barracks' new requirement, and the necessity of the barracks for any relevant strategy, terrans are now reliant on more predictable builds. Zerg provides TLO with more flexibility. That being said, zerg is also just really powerful in a progamer's hands right now. Blizzard granted the race the ability to expand at will, maintain map control and then nerfed terrans ability to harass (reapers + reaper speed + barracks requirement) so that zerg can comfortably expand early with one basic harass option (hellions) that they KNOW they will be preparing for. Banshees are gimmicky and not game effective since you'll be on one base and the damage you'll do will not compensate for the advantages zerg accrues from the second base. The most recent shoutcast on HDstarcraft's channel shows a ZvT where the T launched an incredibly successful hellion harass that roasted more than a dozen drones only to be even in economy within a minute. So, as of now, terran can't assault early. If it gets to the late game, they are done. Terrans are trying to find a narrow timing window they can exploit. The reason we're seeing all these early thor pushes. Oh well, I guess its zerg's time in the sun. 1stly, good luck TLO! i've seen your random plays from back in the beta,and i loved your ability to play more than 1 race. i think you've made the right choice to change into Zerg because of how the recent patches have been affecting the game. very long post i've quoted, but very well said. right now terrans with the lack of opener cheese to keep other players honest, also has their entire harass early game options removed. you may think "oh only reapers are made useless", but have you thought about how the early reapers being removed leaves only 2 other harass? the hellion harass = a must,a given and essential. the follow up air harass is optional. so terrans are now a totally predictable race. the enemy will know exactly what are you doing and be expecting it as there is no longer any surprise involved. End game, no race is as good as the Zerg due to their superior macro mechanics and ability to replenish an entire army. Against protoss, once HTs are up, the entire terran army(except mech) has been effectively neutralised due to nearly every terran unit(except Thor & Tanks) either A) having mana or B) low hp. and they can replenish their gateway units very quickly with warpgates & chronoboosts. Terrans aren't playing other races. their playing against time. If they cannot end the game fast and it gets to endgame,their at a severe disadvantage due to how the production of armies work.if i cant end the game now,im screwed. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:10 Ao_Jun wrote: There should be a strategy forum for people above 1500 diamond and people below. And maybe one for "pro's" at like 2200+ or invites or something.. This thread is so insanely filled with junk and people claiming that "Then you can do that to this and that will do that. - INSTANT WIN!" At my level, patch seems ok so far. (I have a positive record vs zergs) Give it a few months. Don't kill me for mentioning the "W" word, but WoW had arenajunkies where only people with high arena ratings could post in certain forums. It's not just the fact that the thread can easily get filled with junk, but people complaining about zerg changes and screaming "OP" when they have no valid argument as to why they assume such case. Which usually ends up getting the random person the banhammer. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On October 25 2010 14:44 shynee wrote: I'm not surprised that TLO switched. But I think blizzard will make another balance change, favoring Terran. So even tho I understand that TLO's favorite units are not effective since the patch, I believe these units will be effective soon enough. Boxer emailed David Kim regarding the latest patch and how it has essentially broken traditional Terran gameplay. Here is what Slayer_Boxer and fruitseller said during Blizzcon: Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic. Fruitdealer: In terms of Zerg, aside from defense, right now playing is more comfortable due to less early problems. But it seems that the special aspects of SC2 have been decreasing. Even though I'm doing well, other players might consider it bad. Q: Have you (Fruitdealer) written to Blizzard before? Fruitdealer: I haven't, but Check and David Kim (dayvie) are familiar with each other. I saw Check send a lot of emails to David Kim. It's possible he's part of the reason Zerg has been getting buffs. Q: And you, Boxer? Boxer: Every time a certain Zerg sends emails to Blizzard, it's always reps in which they lose. I think we Terrans should unite as well and send some losing reps. Well, that kind of makes Boxer sound like a sore loser, especially the last part. I can't be the only one thinking it. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:10 Ao_Jun wrote: There should be a strategy forum for people above 1500 diamond and people below. And maybe one for "pro's" at like 2200+ or invites or something.. This thread is so insanely filled with junk and people claiming that "Then you can do that to this and that will do that. - INSTANT WIN!" At my level, patch seems ok so far. (I have a positive record vs zergs) Give it a few months. At this point id be totally fine if TL became just a news site without anyone posting that isnt either an administrator or the highest level of players. Any time i read anything its pages of total BS that i can barely stand not taking the bait. Seriously, i do not know TLO. I dont know his decisions in his mind. I dont know if he picked Zerg for X or Y reason. I dont know if his changing races coincides with the patch, or he was already wanting to change for personal reasons. I dont even know if he actually fully decided on Terran in the first place. All of these things and many more make me STFU before posting things like "i cant respect someone who cant pick a race and stick with it". TBH i dont even really give a shit if the game is balanced or not. I guarantee almost everyone whining about balance needs a ton of work in all areas of their personal play that have nothing to do with racial balance. | ||
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baph
Poland30 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:10 Ao_Jun wrote: There should be a strategy forum for people above 1500 diamond and people below. And maybe one for "pro's" at like 2200+ or invites or something.. This thread is so insanely filled with junk and people claiming that "Then you can do that to this and that will do that. - INSTANT WIN!" At my level, patch seems ok so far. (I have a positive record vs zergs) Give it a few months. It's irrelevant that you have a positive record vs zerg. The problem is how you win. TvT, TvP, ZvZ, PvP are all resonably even throughout all stages of the game, ZvT and also ZvP are heavily biased towards Zerg in lategame because of the speed at which Zerg can rebuild armies. | ||
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Penetrates
Hong Kong82 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:24 coddan wrote: Well, that kind of makes Boxer sound like a sore loser, especially the last part. I can't be the only one thinking it. I thought he was just being funny... | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
Well, that kind of makes Boxer sound like a sore loser, especially the last part. I can't be the only one thinking it. I'm with you But then, I admit, the depot b4 rax was a bit overkill in limiting terrans options. Besides that, I thought the latest patch was fine. | ||
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