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On May 09 2011 14:35 Martyandborg wrote: No it's not. Thats his new statement. I'm talking about an old one he made. Just because he released a new statement, that doesnt void what he previously said No , that would be like me calling you an idiot for hating on bleach, things have changed and their has been time for bleach to develop and get better. At this point most players have been playing for about a year (including beta), at this point your background doesn't really matter. I hate making this point but if Flash or jaedong or bisu were to switch they would almost instantly become high end players. Grubby switches and he is 0-4 in Nasl, i know there is no proof that they would be high end players but i believe it would be so. Also you even said it, you can manage 3 bases quite well, but when it comes to 5 bases it gets really hard, this is a skill that someone who has played bw for 10 years will have over a wc3 player. But war3 players most likely will have better micro and strategy's, its a trade and in the beginning i would take mechanics over micro and strategy. | ||
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Anyway, got done listening to the show today and my 2cents about zerg balance, I don't think scouting is the problem here, zerg had the same scouting back in broodwar. The things that did change is that zerg no longer has overlord detection and no longer has hydralisks at hatch tech. This seems to me the reason why scouting now is so much more import because you have to know exactly what's coming instead of just know if the opponent is gonna be agressive or not because the roach cannot respond to a wide variety of thing the way the hydra does. No detection for overlords is pretty obvious why this would be a huge change to zerg and I just don't see what was given to zerg to compensate for such a nerf. | ||
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On May 10 2011 04:42 A Wet Shamwow wrote: No , that would be like me calling you an idiot for hating on bleach, things have changed and their has been time for bleach to develop and get better. At this point most players have been playing for about a year (including beta), at this point your background doesn't really matter. I hate making this point but if Flash or jaedong or bisu were to switch they would almost instantly become high end players. Grubby switches and he is 0-4 in Nasl, i know there is no proof that they would be high end players but i believe it would be so. Also you even said it, you can manage 3 bases quite well, but when it comes to 5 bases it gets really hard, this is a skill that someone who has played bw for 10 years will have over a wc3 player. But war3 players most likely will have better micro and strategy's, its a trade and in the beginning i would take mechanics over micro and strategy. Except nothing you just said made any sense. You realize Grubby has been playing Starcraft II since like November at the earliest right? He took second place at WCG Grand Finals in October, so no, not all of them have been playing for a year. Horrible example to use. All the best foreign players come from a Warcraft III background and with the exception of a few guys like Idra and Select you can't even argue against that. Most of the good Korean RTS players played Brood War anyways. Guys like Lucifer, Moon, Remind, Focus, and Fov are the only high end Korean Warcraft III players that come to mind and only two of them are playing and both of them were still playing Warcraft III into late October. One has a GSL Code S round of 8 appearance and one is 3-1 in their NASL group (which apparently holds some relevance since you brought it up). I have no idea what this has to do with Nony or what he said cause I don't even know what he said then and what he said now but all I see is you trying to argue that Brood War players > Warcraft III players. And please, let's not pretend that mechanics are actually important in Starcraft II when you have MBS and automine doing that for you. Oh and, Bisu Flash Jaedong Stork etc. will never switch so it doesn't matter what'd they do in Starcraft II. edit: Grubby also played at the ECL Masters in January 2011 for Warcraft III. So even if he started playing Starcraft II after WCG he was only focusing half of his attention on it. | ||
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This might not be a good way to look at things on my part but it just bothers me when I see a zerg player lose, but they wouldn't have if zerg had retained certain features from broodwar. Like there's a DT like right under an overlord but you still can't do anything about it because you didn't pay that 100 gas for that specific overlord to get detection. | ||
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On May 10 2011 12:39 Martyandborg wrote: god, jinro is such a cheesy bitch It was painful watching those matches also im is out of the gstl | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:09 Martyandborg wrote: Yeah, I heard them say that on state of the game or inside the game. It makes a lot of sense but I don't want to believe it because I hate Phil Helmuth but idra is my boy Well, you both get banned from tl a lot! Zing! | ||
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Surprising results so far in the up and downs.  + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 10 2011 05:19 last light wrote: Except nothing you just said made any sense. You realize Grubby has been playing Starcraft II since like November at the earliest right? He took second place at WCG Grand Finals in October, so no, not all of them have been playing for a year. Horrible example to use. All the best foreign players come from a Warcraft III background and with the exception of a few guys like Idra and Select you can't even argue against that. Most of the good Korean RTS players played Brood War anyways. Guys like Lucifer, Moon, Remind, Focus, and Fov are the only high end Korean Warcraft III players that come to mind and only two of them are playing and both of them were still playing Warcraft III into late October. One has a GSL Code S round of 8 appearance and one is 3-1 in their NASL group (which apparently holds some relevance since you brought it up). I have no idea what this has to do with Nony or what he said cause I don't even know what he said then and what he said now but all I see is you trying to argue that Brood War players > Warcraft III players. And please, let's not pretend that mechanics are actually important in Starcraft II when you have MBS and automine doing that for you. Oh and, Bisu Flash Jaedong Stork etc. will never switch so it doesn't matter what'd they do in Starcraft II. edit: Grubby also played at the ECL Masters in January 2011 for Warcraft III. So even if he started playing Starcraft II after WCG he was only focusing half of his attention on it. About Grubby was exactly his point... If Flash Jaedong and Bisu would switch they would be good almost instantly while wc3 players like Grubby need more time to adjust because there is a lot of differences between the game. And saying mechanics aren't important isn't true I've yet to see any pro with perfect macro or even close to it while also micro'ing. | ||
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On May 12 2011 01:09 Martyandborg wrote: You have egg on your face? WTF? It's an expression  because in the podcast we gave huk a 0% chance... Well done Mr. Loranger, well done. + Show Spoiler + have egg on one's face Fig. to be embarrassed by something one has done. (As if one went out in public with a dirty face.) I was completely wrong, and now I have egg on my face. She's really got egg on her face! See also: egg, face, have McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. | ||
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