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Reggae-Troll
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland241 Posts
October 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#741
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.


Add lost mining time when building the supply depot and barracks and then you have the correct numbers.
Do feed the Troll.
kXn
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
October 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#742
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.




Zerg has multiple larvae
Protoss has chronoboost

Overall the depot before rax just sounds stupid.
megagoten
Profile Joined October 2010
318 Posts
October 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#743
On October 15 2010 05:07 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:02 Kiante wrote:
+2 attack thors + ghosts = 3 shot immortals while immortals take 8 shots to kill a thor. Mass thor tvp IS A GO

For about two games, then people realise voids still barbecue thors.

the problem is that the tech structure will usually be there for protoss to pump out immortals and not to mention most players are so unfamiliar with the void rays they still think it has 3 charges
sihyunie
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
October 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#744
Did they have to nerf reapers even more? They are probably trying to nerf fast/mass reapers in team games, but reapers were already hardly used in 1v1, and now it's complete trash. Void ray could've used some nerf, but it seems quite harsh. I think decreasing charged damage down to 20 against armored would've been fine.
2 biggest changes in this patch tho are roach range upgrade and medivac speed decrease. Makes zerg's early game defense much easier, especially against now seldom used reapers and more commonly used hellions. Terran's mid game drop harass is now marginally easier to defend. Drop harass is still very effective, but defense has more time to set up and more chances to kill the running medivac.
Can't wait for GSL2 to start next week and see how things pan out. I still believe Marauders are by far the most imba unit in the game and PvZ mid to late game is still pretty hard.
Fr3d3rF
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States13 Posts
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#745
I can only help but smile. :D
Fred "Gravity" Kim. CSL player for GSU. Student of Music and Film, and avid gamer. Faith, hope, wisdom, and love.
doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#746
I'm not happy with most of the changes.

I think the Zerg changes were necessary, but Hydras still need either a buff or an researchable upgrade in the game that will make them viable.

I am not happy with the Terran changes at all. I don't see the point in reapers now, a much smarter nerf would have been to increase the upgrade cost from 50/50 to 100/100.

As a Terran I don't like to cheese, because my reaper kiting sucks, therefore I play standard depot before rax in 99% of my games, but still it limits the Terran openings a lot. I enjoyed watching players like SeleCT open with proxy rax and on the other hand the other player defend the proxy. But this option will be gone now

The corruptor change is a joke in my opinion, this unit (its special ability) is still very uncreative compared to vikings/phoenix.

Also the void ray nerf is so uncreative, redo the whole thing instead of just decreasing the damage.

Obviously Blizzard isn't sure about the role of the reaper and the void ray in standard games. Give the reaper a mid/lategame option and give corruptors some ability to use them not only as AA, so they can compete with vikings/phoenix.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#747
On October 15 2010 05:06 theqat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:05 Roggay wrote:
On October 15 2010 05:03 theqat wrote:
On October 15 2010 05:02 Roggay wrote:
On October 15 2010 05:00 theqat wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:59 Roggay wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:57 MK4512 wrote:
Boo! No more feedbacking thors D: that kind of make ht/chargelot less viable against them...


Thors aren't common in TvP, immortals...


Immortals < Thors with 250mm, by a lot


What? Some people did research that? Oo


1 250mm kills an Immortal dead because it ignores their special shields

If they have enough Immortals that that wouldn't matter, you've already won because Immortals suck at everything but killing Thors/Tanks


and marauders. Immortals aren't that good if you only mass them, but they are good at supporting an army imo.


The point stands. If you want to go Marauders vs. P and they counter with 1robo Immortals, you can start making 250mm Thors and nullify all the Immortals easily


But you seem to neglect the fact that it takes a lot of time and ressource to do all of that, and it doesnt pay that much to kill some immortal but losing key units (because you lack ressource/factory used).
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 20:09:49
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#748
I just think it's insane putting these patches like 1 day before an event. They should have done this like just when GSL ended or something. I just can't imagine what goes through some players minds right now as they are on their plane going to DC for MLG
Gör om, gör rätt
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#749
On October 15 2010 05:06 Invol2ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:40 Scoop wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:32 MrCon wrote:
And yes, the supply before rax is like the worst change in sc2+bw+sc history.
It's impossible to find a logical or reasonable explanation for it. It only deletes T cheese from the game (hoho, fear the T cheese), it deletes some builds too, it's nothing really game changing, I don't know the purpose of that.
It's like they would make overlord required for pool. Not a big deal but still you don't understand why they would do this.


Zerg has an overlord from the beginning.


because our command structure desn't give us 10 supply?

Try harder please.


Wtf are you talking about? Did you even read hte post he was quoting?
iggyfisk
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden212 Posts
October 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#750
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.

It's not a balance issue. And for the record, numbers like that are so incredibly useless for balance discussions I really wish people would quit it. Terran could have a unit called the imbalancelot made from the barracks that costs 100 minerals and is a zealot, except 20 more hp. And the game could still be perfectly balanced.

The game is asymmetrical, and one race having options the other doesn't is not a problem. Rax first rushes weren't too strong against anything and were very rarely done. It's exciting to watch them when they do happen. Now the game is less exciting, without improving balance. That's a bad change.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
October 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#751
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.


You only need to build one spawning pool, and you can't create protoss buildings without a psi field first.

Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
October 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#752
On October 15 2010 05:08 Reggae-Troll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.


Add lost mining time when building the supply depot and barracks and then you have the correct numbers.


+ account for having one less drone/larva.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
October 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#753
Just by looking at the ammount of terran wins in tournaments, everyone knew something had to be done. Now that they do something everyone whos not zerg is crying. Yes the reaper is bad now, yes void rays are not so good anymore, yes you wont be able to punish FE zergs so easy anymore.

So what? Its still millions of potent openings for terran, and protoss vs zerg is only gonna be affected by the roach range. You still have immortals to fucking RAPE them, but now you cant rape them with any kind of unit combo.... Mass blink stalkers raped them, forcefields raped them, colossus raped them, immortal raped them. The biggest change is that you cant safely expand behind one cannon after pylonblocking the zerg ramp.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 20:12:05
October 14 2010 20:11 GMT
#754
On October 15 2010 05:08 megagoten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:07 Yaotzin wrote:
On October 15 2010 05:02 Kiante wrote:
+2 attack thors + ghosts = 3 shot immortals while immortals take 8 shots to kill a thor. Mass thor tvp IS A GO

For about two games, then people realise voids still barbecue thors.

the problem is that the tech structure will usually be there for protoss to pump out immortals and not to mention most players are so unfamiliar with the void rays they still think it has 3 charges

Yeah I have no doubt it'll work a bunch on people who are all "wtf is a thor!?", but Protoss can still kill them pretty easily. This retarded nothing-but-thor that you see in TvZ will never work really.
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 20:14:36
October 14 2010 20:11 GMT
#755
As a Zerg player, I love these changes. They addressed many of my concerns, especially with how fast our buildings die.

The medevac nerf is very nice too.

However, I think the Reaper nerf was over kill.

I also really don't like the depot requirement; but who knows, I'm sure there's gonna be lots of creative 6 depo play. I just feel rax before depo made early game more dynamic.

All that's left now is a fix to Hydras and I'll be one happy Zerg Z('.'z)
"Starcraft...It just echos brilliance and manliness." - Tasteless
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
October 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#756
What the fuck Blizzard.

Barracks before supply was fine, there was never any overtly abusive rushes or strategies that resulted from this, and it just feels like you did it to say, "Hey, we're nerfing Terran some more, mmmkkay?"

Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
October 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#757
On October 15 2010 05:08 Reggae-Troll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:03 Mrbumbum wrote:
Spawning Pool = 200 Minerals
Drone = 50 Minerals

Pylon = 100 Minerals
Gateway = 150 Minerals

Supply Depot = 100 Minerals
Barracks = 150 Minerals

I don't see how anyone can claim a balance issue with the new depot before rax change, the numbers add up to me.


Add lost mining time when building the supply depot and barracks and then you have the correct numbers.


You mean like Zerg loses from making the pool?
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
October 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#758
HELLL YEAH! Though I feel like the supply depot requirement for Terran is a bit much.
nka203
Profile Joined May 2010
United States102 Posts
October 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#759
On October 15 2010 05:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 05:06 Invol2ver wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:40 Scoop wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:32 MrCon wrote:
And yes, the supply before rax is like the worst change in sc2+bw+sc history.
It's impossible to find a logical or reasonable explanation for it. It only deletes T cheese from the game (hoho, fear the T cheese), it deletes some builds too, it's nothing really game changing, I don't know the purpose of that.
It's like they would make overlord required for pool. Not a big deal but still you don't understand why they would do this.


Zerg has an overlord from the beginning.


because our command structure desn't give us 10 supply?

Try harder please.


Wtf are you talking about? Did you even read hte post he was quoting?


looks like he tried TOO hard trying to say try harder
i love cake
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 20:13:02
October 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#760
i wonder how many of these terran ragers open with rax depot as their normal build. I m not saying it's a great change, but it's definetly wont change as much as ppl would like to imply here
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
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