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Patch 1.1.2 Notes - Page 29

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SkullOne
Profile Joined April 2010
United States52 Posts
October 14 2010 19:34 GMT
#561
Good patch. Only thing I don't like is the depot before rax and the nitro packs needing factory. Those changes are just stupid.

I could see the depot before rax if you left nitro alone or vice versa. That would at least enable Reapers to be somewhat useful early game. As it is now though they're completely worthless.
I dont need no stinking quote
thundertoss
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1166 Posts
October 14 2010 19:34 GMT
#562
sigh. i like the roach range increase and the medivac nerf/building health buff. I don't like the silly supply depot requirement. There should be a better solution for that. As for toss air...... #(*&@#. They might as well make everything an SC1 scout. Even more impractical/impossible to open stargate/templar tech .... gonna see a lot more pure robo play for sure. I want to be able to do an SC2 build similar to the bisu build or something. P is strong yes but the nerfs are just killing the diversity and not *really* addressing balance properly imo.
Underneath David Kims banelings is another control group of banelings.
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
October 14 2010 19:34 GMT
#563
I must be misunderstanding something. Can someone tell me why this voidray nerf is significant?

Sure, they do less damage at charge level 2... but aren't they doing the same amount when fully charged (level 3)? The speed upgrade I can understand, but why are people acting like voidrays are getting an enormous nerf here?

BTW 7 rax reaper simply needed to go. It was uncounterable at all but the very highest levels and is just an example of bad gameplay.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
October 14 2010 19:34 GMT
#564
I dont get it, why they just dont nerf marauder dmg to buildings instead of incracing the hp of everything :\
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#565
It's amazing so many people still think there's "level 3"
DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#566
Test #1: VR still beats thor 1v1. Roughly 82 HP left. That's one more hit the Thor got in over last patch ( 108 hp ).

Test #2: Roaches now can now hit cannons behind gateway blocks. If the cannon is place one spot back the roach can hit the gateway with out being in range of the cannon.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#567
On October 15 2010 04:31 niteReloaded wrote:
I hate the shit they're doing to terran... Yeah, I know on some level it's right, but it feels like they're stuffing everything in boxes which is horrible for creativity..............

terran just got 10 times more boring and lost some of it's racial identity -.-


10 times more boring, yet still 100 times more dynamic than either Protoss or Zerg. Try playing zerg if you want to see boring.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#568
On October 15 2010 04:34 Darksoldierr wrote:
I dont get it, why they just dont nerf marauder dmg to buildings instead of incracing the hp of everything :\

They don't want to give buildings their own armor type (for some reason) and they feel that lowering Marauder damage vs. armored would nerf them too much vs. units
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#569
On October 15 2010 04:32 Drathmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:24 UisTehSux wrote:
HOLY ZERG BUFF. The only Terran thing I have a problem with is the depot requirement for barracks, wtf?



I don't get why people have such a problem with this... I mean toss have to through down a pylon before a gate, how is this any different?

Try to understand SC more and you will see.
Terran
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 19:37:40
October 14 2010 19:35 GMT
#570
great extra change with the voidray. Theyy were cleary way to strong charged and way to weak uncharged. I really appreciate the change. Also medivac nerf is understandable. The changes to Energy for Cor and Thors s also quite good.

btw: Iam Terran and the supply depot before Rax change doesnt bother me at all. This whole 6 pool argument is totaly pointless.
Dragonsven
Profile Joined April 2010
United States145 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#571
On October 15 2010 04:30 Wigz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:27 Sobba wrote:
Such an Idra patch.


LOL. Poor guy is getting pinned as the biggest Zerg baby.


If the shoe fits...
Fair and balanced.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#572
On October 15 2010 04:33 Zelniq wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [dont read this if you are a top terran] +

not only are fast raxes still possible and dangerous, so are proxy raxes. you can still reaper bunker rush a zerg who may foolishly believe their hatch first plays are safe

:D

Poor Terrans will have to learn all the tricks everyone else already learned when it comes to proxies!
megagoten
Profile Joined October 2010
318 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#573
On October 15 2010 04:35 DooMDash wrote:
Test #1: VR still beats thor 1v1. Roughly 82 HP left. That's one more hit the Thor got in over last patch ( 108 hp ).

Test #2: Roaches now can now hit cannons behind gateway blocks. If the cannon is place one spot back the roach can hit the gateway with out being in range of the cannon.

no more forge expo?
SharkSpider
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada606 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#574
On October 15 2010 04:33 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:28 ETL wrote:
I do not agree with the supply before barracks. WE as terrans have to scout 6 pools very early in the game in order to stop this now. or maybe we wont be able to stop this at all thats how i feel. what about the rest? and yes for reaper, making the upgrade 100/100 would have been better.


This makes no sense. In order to scout a 6 pool before building a depot you have to scout with one of your initial 6 scvs. The rax will be in construction before the lings arrive, and the wall-in should be complete, plus with depots now having more life, you have more time to repair them. 6 pool is such a non-issue, its complete suicide vs any competent terran player. What league are you in?

If any T player thinks 6pooling is hard to beat, try Protoss. We have to leave a hole in the wall so that we can get our shit out, our first unit is melee, and we can't repair our buildings. (Not saying it's impossible, just saying that T has absolutely no friggin reason to be bitching about getting ling cheesed.)
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 19:36:59
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#575
On October 15 2010 04:16 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:10 KillerPlague wrote:
wtffffffff i didn't know they were gonna nerf protoss harder than terran. did not see that one coming.


Not really a surprise >:D

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103302?page=2#27


so protoss players have to cry more in the official forums since thats the resource for their balance changes?.. omg thats sad.

wait wait.. that sounds like a plan!
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#576
On October 15 2010 04:25 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 04:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 15 2010 04:12 FindingPride wrote:
On October 15 2010 03:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Void Rays worthless now They had such difficult to overcome weaknesses against very basic and common units, Marines Hydras and Stalkers. Marines and Hydras in numbers at like 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of the Void Rays could fend off Void Rays but that wasn't enough? Vikings totally owned Void Rays before they got speed upgrade and now they own them even when the Void Rays get speed upgrade. Stalkers can probably approach charged up Void Rays now too since that reduction in damage against armored is so huge. And of course Protoss keeps getting worse against air... brood lords, corruptors and battlecruisers are now much more difficult to deal with.

I couldn't disagree more. Voidrays were way to powerful. I could never punish my protoss opponents for playing like retards. guy had 2 gates and a stargate and had about 5 voidrays after he fail pushed me. He made an expansion and i had 4 raxes. Guess who couldn't even kill 4 units? me.
tbh i like to live in a game where i can punish my opponents for making bad decisions. Like expanding vs a 4 rax. 5 units should not beable to decimate my army in less then 5 seconds when its fully charged. Also another reason for this change is to make protoss use carriers more. Voids aren't useless they are just going to have be played with differently. I wish i could gather a few of my replays but i didn't save these ones to show you. But voidrays were a universal unit. GOOD at deffending and GOOD at attacking and HARASSING. But i think this is going to prompt carrier usage more lategame which imo is a good thing.

The tools existed in the game for you to utterly decimate that guy but you just didn't use them. They would not have even required any more speed. If you just played smarter and made good decisions, it would have been an easy win like you say.

So its a complete necessity to have vikings to pursue any sort of push vs voids? I did have options available how ever i felt an expansion would have been a mistake. I just wiped out all of his gate units. and was on 3 raxes at that time with stim and combat shield. Teching would take awhile and given my opponent ample time to produce a large amount of gateways giving the expansion. My option was to take advantage of the fact his expansion had just finished and that he just lost his gate units and was only on 3 production facilities. Do you understand my logic now? I can understand your point of view. But are my options really limited to teching-expanding? and god forbid i played someone good who would abuse the charge and constantly harass me with pylon charge up while i did this.
Also. I suppose i underestimated a unit that is excellent at harass is also more then excellent at defense.


Seriously this is the equivelent of a toss going 4 gate and not pushing or teching until 5 production cycles of banshees and then coming to the forums to complain about it. I have lost games like this but I completely understand i lost them due to my mistakes and i don't complain about the imbalance of them.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
October 14 2010 19:36 GMT
#577
Wow void ray nerf....

Reste I'm fine with, except maybe the supply before rax/factory for speed
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
OhJesusWOW
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom127 Posts
October 14 2010 19:37 GMT
#578
Did Flux Vanes just get demoted to worst upgrade in the game?
Red Bull is the new Mountain Dew.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
October 14 2010 19:37 GMT
#579
funniest thing happened to me...

in a ladder game ZvT:

him: man i'm on tilt because of voidrays
him: i try vikings and rines and STILL lose constantly
me: i promise i won't use voidrays against you
him: lol, i just hope voidrays get nerfed

blizzard: please log out and download the new patch

--20 minutes later, when i log back in--
him: LOOOOOOOOOOOL
me: wow.
dont ever say that
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
October 14 2010 19:37 GMT
#580
Was expecting a decrease of banshee range. They are really hard to deal with.
Its grack
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