EPTI could see the depot before rax if you left nitro alone or vice versa. That would at least enable Reapers to be somewhat useful early game. As it is now though they're completely worthless.
Patch 1.1.2 Notes - Page 29
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
SkullOne
United States52 Posts
I could see the depot before rax if you left nitro alone or vice versa. That would at least enable Reapers to be somewhat useful early game. As it is now though they're completely worthless. | ||
|
thundertoss
United States1166 Posts
| ||
|
Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
Sure, they do less damage at charge level 2... but aren't they doing the same amount when fully charged (level 3)? The speed upgrade I can understand, but why are people acting like voidrays are getting an enormous nerf here? BTW 7 rax reaper simply needed to go. It was uncounterable at all but the very highest levels and is just an example of bad gameplay. | ||
|
Darksoldierr
Hungary2013 Posts
| ||
|
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
| ||
|
DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
Test #2: Roaches now can now hit cannons behind gateway blocks. If the cannon is place one spot back the roach can hit the gateway with out being in range of the cannon. | ||
|
FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:31 niteReloaded wrote: I hate the shit they're doing to terran... Yeah, I know on some level it's right, but it feels like they're stuffing everything in boxes which is horrible for creativity.............. terran just got 10 times more boring and lost some of it's racial identity -.- 10 times more boring, yet still 100 times more dynamic than either Protoss or Zerg. Try playing zerg if you want to see boring. | ||
|
theqat
United States2856 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:34 Darksoldierr wrote: I dont get it, why they just dont nerf marauder dmg to buildings instead of incracing the hp of everything :\ They don't want to give buildings their own armor type (for some reason) and they feel that lowering Marauder damage vs. armored would nerf them too much vs. units | ||
|
Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:32 Drathmar wrote: I don't get why people have such a problem with this... I mean toss have to through down a pylon before a gate, how is this any different? Try to understand SC more and you will see. | ||
|
knL
Germany400 Posts
btw: Iam Terran and the supply depot before Rax change doesnt bother me at all. This whole 6 pool argument is totaly pointless. | ||
|
Dragonsven
United States145 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:30 Wigz wrote: LOL. Poor guy is getting pinned as the biggest Zerg baby. If the shoe fits... | ||
|
Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:33 Zelniq wrote: + Show Spoiler [dont read this if you are a top terran] + not only are fast raxes still possible and dangerous, so are proxy raxes. you can still reaper bunker rush a zerg who may foolishly believe their hatch first plays are safe :D Poor Terrans will have to learn all the tricks everyone else already learned when it comes to proxies! | ||
|
megagoten
318 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:35 DooMDash wrote: Test #1: VR still beats thor 1v1. Roughly 82 HP left. That's one more hit the Thor got in over last patch ( 108 hp ). Test #2: Roaches now can now hit cannons behind gateway blocks. If the cannon is place one spot back the roach can hit the gateway with out being in range of the cannon. no more forge expo? | ||
|
SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:33 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: This makes no sense. In order to scout a 6 pool before building a depot you have to scout with one of your initial 6 scvs. The rax will be in construction before the lings arrive, and the wall-in should be complete, plus with depots now having more life, you have more time to repair them. 6 pool is such a non-issue, its complete suicide vs any competent terran player. What league are you in? If any T player thinks 6pooling is hard to beat, try Protoss. We have to leave a hole in the wall so that we can get our shit out, our first unit is melee, and we can't repair our buildings. (Not saying it's impossible, just saying that T has absolutely no friggin reason to be bitching about getting ling cheesed.) | ||
|
leecH
Germany385 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:16 Deathstar wrote: Not really a surprise >:D http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103302?page=2#27 so protoss players have to cry more in the official forums since thats the resource for their balance changes?.. omg thats sad. wait wait.. that sounds like a plan! | ||
|
bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 15 2010 04:25 FindingPride wrote: So its a complete necessity to have vikings to pursue any sort of push vs voids? I did have options available how ever i felt an expansion would have been a mistake. I just wiped out all of his gate units. and was on 3 raxes at that time with stim and combat shield. Teching would take awhile and given my opponent ample time to produce a large amount of gateways giving the expansion. My option was to take advantage of the fact his expansion had just finished and that he just lost his gate units and was only on 3 production facilities. Do you understand my logic now? I can understand your point of view. But are my options really limited to teching-expanding? and god forbid i played someone good who would abuse the charge and constantly harass me with pylon charge up while i did this. Also. I suppose i underestimated a unit that is excellent at harass is also more then excellent at defense. Seriously this is the equivelent of a toss going 4 gate and not pushing or teching until 5 production cycles of banshees and then coming to the forums to complain about it. I have lost games like this but I completely understand i lost them due to my mistakes and i don't complain about the imbalance of them. | ||
|
CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
Reste I'm fine with, except maybe the supply before rax/factory for speed | ||
|
OhJesusWOW
United Kingdom127 Posts
| ||
|
Rhyme
United States1069 Posts
in a ladder game ZvT: him: man i'm on tilt because of voidrays him: i try vikings and rines and STILL lose constantly me: i promise i won't use voidrays against you him: lol, i just hope voidrays get nerfed blizzard: please log out and download the new patch --20 minutes later, when i log back in-- him: LOOOOOOOOOOOL me: wow. | ||
|
bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
| ||
| ||
They had such difficult to overcome weaknesses against very basic and common units, Marines Hydras and Stalkers. Marines and Hydras in numbers at like 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of the Void Rays could fend off Void Rays but that wasn't enough? Vikings totally owned Void Rays before they got speed upgrade and now they own them even when the Void Rays get speed upgrade. Stalkers can probably approach charged up Void Rays now too since that reduction in damage against armored is so huge. And of course Protoss keeps getting worse against air... brood lords, corruptors and battlecruisers are now much more difficult to deal with.
