Zerg Build Order optimizer. - Page 32

Lejving

Sweden82 Posts

October 24 2010 18:39 GMT

#621

On October 24 2010 20:48 Pwere wrote:

I think the point is to have one safe opening that branches into many builds. If 14 pool is marginally slower but balances my game better, I'd rather use that.

Yeah exactly Pwere. Like sure, I might get a better eco for going 17 pool and then 17 hatch, but that isn't exactly safe against close position lost temple for example. So therefor I want to put down 14 pool, from there on it can calcluate when i should put down another hatch and start optimizing everything. Should my hatch go down on 18 after that? Or 24? Should I start making a queen directly? =)

Anyhow thanks for answering Azzu

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 24 2010 18:47 GMT

#622

Don`t worry about late pool, from all the builds i`ve done with this 14 pool is super late, it very much likes 10-12 pools and the econ difference does not seem to be too big.

Nightmarjoo

United States3360 Posts

October 24 2010 18:59 GMT

#623

It's really awesome!

At what point should I assume it's found the optimum one? Does it ever stop on its own?
The last few updates have only changed the ending minerals/gas, is it trying to now to find the build that yields the most minerals/gas after satisfying everything else?

Hah that's cool, it lists extractor trick.

Any chance of a terran and protoss optimizer? This is really neat!

goldrush

Canada709 Posts

October 24 2010 19:11 GMT

#624

Good job!

However, I was fooling around with it and would like to confirm that Ground Carapace +1 is programmed at 150/150, because some of the output indicates that it's currently at 100/100.

Rosvall

Sweden122 Posts

October 24 2010 19:30 GMT

#625

On October 25 2010 03:59 Nightmarjoo wrote:
It's really awesome!

At what point should I assume it's found the optimum one? Does it ever stop on its own?
The last few updates have only changed the ending minerals/gas, is it trying to now to find the build that yields the most minerals/gas after satisfying everything else?

Hah that's cool, it lists extractor trick.

Any chance of a terran and protoss optimizer? This is really neat!

It program can not possibly know that it have found the optimal one. But if you've run it for 10 hours and last update was 8 hours ago, it's very unlikely there's better ones out there.

The program never stops on its own due the nature of genetic algorithms.

There's a few stuff that gives higher scores. Such as more drones at end and more minerals/gas.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

October 24 2010 19:49 GMT

#626

I just tried a 44 drone, 20 speed roach build and it finished at 7:58 (5 million games).

In more typical BO form:
14 pool
14 gas
17 hatch
16 queen
22 roach warren
22 lair
29 queen
37 gas
41 roach speed
44 pump out 20 roaches

+ Show Spoiler +

@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:12 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:23 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:32 M:50 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:14 M:181 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:14 M:131 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:88 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:145 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:42 M:205 G:0 L:0 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:48 M:58 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:50 M:26 G:0 L:0 S:14/18 BuildExtractor
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:87 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:05 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:174 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:20 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:30 M:249 G:20 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:327 G:49 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@2:47 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:48 M:304 G:55 L:0 S:17/18 BuildHatchery
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:05 M:153 G:87 L:1 S:16/18 BuildQueen
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:16 M:105 G:108 L:2 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@3:24 M:79 G:123 L:1 S:18/18 ExtractorTrick
@3:24 M:54 G:123 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@3:26 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:41 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:41 M:180 G:155 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:45 M:170 G:163 L:1 S:20/26 BuildDrone
@3:55 Spawned: Queen+1
@3:58 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:00 M:270 G:191 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@4:00 M:220 G:191 L:0 S:22/26 BuildRoachWarren
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:15 M:228 G:220 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:28 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:345 G:248 L:2 S:22/28 BuildOverlord
@4:30 M:245 G:248 L:1 S:22/28 BuildLair
@4:30 M

5 G:148 L:1 S:22/28 BuildDrone
@4:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:40 Spawned: Larva+4
@4:40 M:164 G:167 L:4 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@4:40 M:114 G:167 L:3 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@4:40 M:64 G:167 L:2 S:25/28 BuildDrone
@4:43 M:50 G:173 L:1 S:26/28 BuildDrone
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:48 M:61 G:183 L:2 S:27/28 BuildDrone
@4:55 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@4:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:55 M:100 G:196 L:1 S:28/36 BuildDrone
@4:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:00 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:00 M:123 G:205 L:2 S:29/36 BuildOverlord
@5:05 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:08 M:152 G:221 L:1 S:29/36 BuildQueen
@5:11 M:51 G:226 L:1 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@5:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:15 M:70 G:234 L:2 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@5:17 M:54 G:238 L:1 S:33/36 BuildDrone
@5:25 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:25 M:142 G:253 L:4 S:34/44 BuildDrone
@5:25 M

2 G:253 L:3 S:35/44 BuildDrone
@5:26 M:59 G:255 L:2 S:36/44 BuildDrone
@5:27 M:26 G:257 L:1 S:37/44 BuildExtractor
@5:28 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:30 M:53 G:262 L:3 S:36/44 BuildDrone
@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:33 M:56 G:268 L:2 S:37/44 BuildDrone
@5:34 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:36 M:61 G:274 L:1 S:38/44 BuildDrone
@5:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:45 M:185 G:291 L:2 S:39/44 BuildOverlord
@5:45 M:85 G:291 L:1 S:39/44 BuildDrone
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:50 Spawned: Lairs+1
@5:50 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:53 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:57 Spawned: Extractor+1
@5:58 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:00 M:355 G:327 L:2 S:40/44 BuildDrone
@6:00 M:305 G:327 L:1 S:41/44 Glial Reconstitution
@6:00 M:205 G:227 L:1 S:41/44 BuildDrone
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:10 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:10 M:366 G:265 L:4 S:42/52 BuildDrone
@6:10 M:316 G:265 L:3 S:43/52 BuildRoach
@6:10 M:241 G:240 L:2 S:45/52 BuildDrone
@6:10 M:191 G:240 L:1 S:46/52 BuildRoach
@6:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:15 M:221 G:234 L:2 S:48/52 BuildOverlord
@6:15 M:121 G:234 L:1 S:48/52 BuildRoach
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:30 M:382 G:266 L:2 S:50/52 BuildRoach
@6:30 M:307 G:241 L:1 S:52/52 BuildOverlord
@6:37 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:37 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:42 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:43 M:504 G:290 L:4 S:52/60 BuildRoach
@6:43 M:429 G:265 L:3 S:54/60 BuildOverlord
@6:43 M:329 G:265 L:2 S:54/60 BuildOverlord
@6:43 M:229 G:265 L:1 S:54/60 BuildRoach
@6:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:45 M:199 G:248 L:2 S:56/60 BuildRoach
@6:45 M:124 G:223 L:1 S:58/60 BuildOverlord
@6:55 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:55 M:252 G:261 L:4 S:58/68 BuildRoach
@6:55 M:177 G:236 L:3 S:60/68 BuildRoach
@6:55 M:102 G:211 L:2 S:62/68 BuildRoach
@6:57 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:58 M

6 G:197 L:1 S:64/68 BuildRoach
@7:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:01 M:89 G:184 L:2 S:66/68 BuildRoach
@7:08 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:08 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:08 M:174 G:185 L:1 S:68/84 BuildRoach
@7:10 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:10 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:12 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 M:258 G:187 L:2 S:70/92 BuildRoach
@7:15 M:183 G:162 L:1 S:72/92 BuildRoach
@7:22 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:22 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:22 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:25 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:28 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:28 M:405 G:186 L:4 S:74/92 BuildRoach
@7:28 M:330 G:161 L:3 S:76/92 BuildRoach
@7:28 M:255 G:136 L:2 S:78/92 BuildRoach
@7:28 M:180 G:111 L:1 S:80/92 BuildRoach
@7:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:30 M:150 G

4 L:2 S:82/92 BuildRoach
@7:32 M:121 G:77 L:1 S:84/92 BuildOverlord
@7:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:40 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:40 M:203 G:107 L:4 S:84/92 BuildDrone
@7:40 M:153 G:107 L:3 S:85/92 BuildDrone
@7:40 M:103 G:107 L:2 S:86/92 BuildDrone
@7:40 M:53 G:107 L:1 S:87/92 BuildDrone
@7:42 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:42 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:50 Evolved: Glial Reconstitution
@7:55 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:55 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:55 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:55 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:57 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:57 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:57 Spawned: Drone+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 89
---Final Output---
At time: 7:57
Minerals: 392 Gas: 172 Supply: 88/100
Drones: 44
Overlords: 12
Queens: 2
Roaches: 20
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Glial Reconstitution

What's interesting to me is that it went pool before hatch as the ideal BO. Does this mean that 14 pool 17 hatch is more economical than 14 hatch 14 pool?

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 24 2010 20:15 GMT

#627

No.
First it did not finished, it never does :-) i had a build optimized even after 24h
Second
From what i sow playing around with zerg build, econ is not a cap but larva is. Depending in what you want, many zerglings or drones are very larva demanding for example, hatch first will give you the needed larva.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

October 24 2010 20:29 GMT

#628

On October 25 2010 05:15 icezar wrote:
No.
First it did not finished, it never does :-) i had a build optimized even after 24h
Second
From what i sow playing around with zerg build, econ is not a cap but larva is. Depending in what you want, many zerglings or drones are very larva demanding for example, hatch first will give you the needed larva.

Sure, it's not "finished" but I assume it was pretty close with almost an hour with no updates. A 14 hatch vs 14 pool is a really large decision even from the start, not sure why it chose the earlier pool over hatch. And if larvae was indeed the cap, then you'd see the 2nd queen built much earlier, which was definitely not the case in this build. Maybe the earlier queen from the pool actually provides more larvae than the earlier hatch initially?

Pwere

Canada1556 Posts

October 24 2010 20:30 GMT

#629

Bug: Burrow should take 140 seconds to research, not 100 seconds.
Edit: Hmm nevermind, apparently it is 100 seconds and the error was on liquipedia...

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 24 2010 20:35 GMT

#630

No, this works without brains, it is just like nature, genetic, it builds random things and gives them a score.
To give you an example i am running 44Drones 1Hatch 1Lair for 40+ hours.
A build very close to yours, after 25h it changed from: 10 pool 18 hatch to 14 hatch 13 pool with a gain of 4 sec! and i do not think it is optimal yet, just looking around.

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 24 2010 20:42 GMT

#631

WOW!

I just found something.... Does this learn and remember?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I try the build above 44 drone, 20 speed roach and in 20 min!!! it found a better way than the one posted here and it is using 14hatch 13pool calculated in another build that i am running.

This is so strange!!!!!

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/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:01 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:14 M:124 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:81 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:149 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:52 M:306 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildHatchery
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:13 M:200 G:0 L:2 S:13/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:19 M:52 G:0 L:3 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@2:25 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:31 M:55 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:34 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:36 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:37 M:58 G:0 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:49 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:49 M:125 G:0 L:1 S:16/18 BuildOverlord
@2:54 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:04 M:191 G:0 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@3:04 M:141 G:0 L:0 S:17/18 BuildExtractor
@3:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:18 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:19 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:19 M:274 G:0 L:1 S:16/26 BuildDrone
@3:19 M:224 G:0 L:0 S:17/26 BuildQueen
@3:21 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:32 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@3:34 Spawned: Extractor+1
@3:34 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:34 M:239 G:1 L:2 S:19/28 BuildDrone
@3:34 M:189 G:1 L:1 S:20/28 BuildDrone
@3:36 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:36 M:159 G:5 L:0 S:21/28 BuildQueen
@3:49 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:49 M:137 G:30 L:2 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@3:49 M:87 G:30 L:1 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@3:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:04 M:204 G:58 L:2 S:25/28 BuildDrone
@4:04 M:154 G:58 L:1 S:26/28 BuildDrone
@4:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:09 Spawned: Queen+1
@4:19 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:19 M:293 G:87 L:2 S:27/28 BuildOverlord
@4:19 M:193 G:87 L:1 S:27/28 BuildDrone
@4:20 M:156 G:89 L:0 S:28/28 BuildRoachWarren
@4:21 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:21 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:26 Spawned: Queen+1
@4:34 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:34 M:194 G:115 L:2 S:27/28 BuildDrone
@4:35 M:157 G:117 L:1 S:28/28 BuildLair
@4:36 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:44 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:44 M:135 G:34 L:1 S:28/36 BuildDrone
@4:49 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:49 M:156 G:44 L:2 S:29/36 BuildDrone
@4:49 M:106 G:44 L:1 S:30/36 BuildDrone
@4:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:54 Spawned: Larva+4
@4:54 M:130 G:53 L:4 S:31/36 BuildOverlord
@4:56 M:60 G:57 L:3 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@4:59 M:55 G:63 L:2 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@5:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:02 M:51 G:69 L:1 S:33/36 BuildDrone
@5:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:06 M:66 G:76 L:2 S:34/36 BuildDrone
@5:08 M:50 G:80 L:1 S:35/36 BuildDrone
@5:11 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:13 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:14 M:104 G

1 L:4 S:36/36 BuildOverlord
@5:15 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@5:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:19 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:19 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:19 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:19 M

7 G:101 L:5 S:36/44 BuildDrone
@5:20 M:66 G:103 L:4 S:37/44 BuildDrone
@5:22 M:54 G:107 L:3 S:38/44 BuildDrone
@5:23 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:25 M:64 G:112 L:2 S:39/44 BuildDrone
@5:27 M:55 G:116 L:1 S:40/44 BuildDrone
@5:34 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:34 M:149 G:129 L:2 S:41/44 BuildDrone
@5:34 M

9 G:129 L:1 S:42/44 BuildDrone
@5:36 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:39 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:39 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:39 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:39 M:156 G:139 L:4 S:43/52 BuildOverlord
@5:39 M:56 G:139 L:3 S:43/52 BuildDrone
@5:41 M:51 G:143 L:2 S:44/52 BuildDrone
@5:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:43 M:46 G:147 L:1 S:45/52 BuildExtractor
@5:44 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:45 M:66 G:150 L:1 S:44/52 BuildDrone
@5:49 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:49 M:107 G:158 L:2 S:45/52 BuildDrone
@5:50 M:79 G:160 L:1 S:46/52 BuildRoach
@5:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:55 Spawned: Lairs+1
@5:56 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:56 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:56 M:142 G:146 L:4 S:48/52 BuildOverlord
@5:56 M:42 G:146 L:3 S:48/52 BuildExtractor
@5:58 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:59 M:87 G:152 L:3 S:47/52 BuildRoach
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:02 M:82 G:133 L:2 S:49/52 BuildRoach
@6:04 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:06 M:100 G:115 L:3 S:51/60 Glial Reconstitution
@6:11 M:118 G:25 L:3 S:51/60 BuildOverlord
@6:13 Spawned: Extractor+1
@6:14 M:88 G:34 L:2 S:51/60 BuildRoach
@6:17 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:18 M:105 G:24 L:1 S:53/60 BuildOverlord
@6:19 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:21 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:24 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:25 M:166 G:51 L:6 S:53/68 BuildQueen
@6:26 Spawned: Extractor+1
@6:26 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:28 M:83 G:68 L:6 S:55/68 BuildRoach
@6:29 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:31 M:75 G:60 L:5 S:57/68 BuildRoach
@6:34 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:36 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:38 M:157 G:75 L:6 S:59/76 BuildQueen
@6:41 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:41 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:42 M

7 G

8 L:10 S:61/76 BuildRoach
@6:43 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:45 M:89 G

0 L

S:63/84 BuildRoach
@6:48 M:81 G:82 L:8 S:65/84 BuildRoach
@6:52 M

6 G:80 L:7 S:67/84 BuildRoach
@6:55 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:55 M:88 G:72 L:6 S:69/84 BuildRoach
@6:57 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:58 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:59 M:103 G:70 L:6 S:71/84 BuildOverlord
@7:09 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:09 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:09 M:227 G:127 L

S:71/84 BuildRoach
@7:09 M:152 G:102 L:8 S:73/84 BuildRoach
@7:09 M:77 G:77 L:7 S:75/84 BuildRoach
@7:12 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:13 M

1 G:75 L:6 S:77/84 BuildRoach
@7:14 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:15 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:16 M:83 G:67 L:6 S:79/84 BuildRoach
@7:19 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:19 M:76 G:59 L:5 S:81/84 BuildRoach
@7:22 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:24 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:24 M:113 G:62 L:4 S:83/92 BuildRoach
@7:26 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:26 M:82 G:49 L:7 S:85/92 BuildRoach
@7:28 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:29 M:75 G:41 L:6 S:87/92 BuildRoach
@7:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:32 M:67 G:33 L:6 S:89/92 BuildDrone
@7:34 M:62 G:44 L:5 S

0/92 BuildDrone
@7:36 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:36 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:36 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:36 M:56 G:56 L:4 S

1/92 BuildDrone
@7:40 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:46 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:47 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:51 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:53 Spawned: Roach+1
@7:53 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:54 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:56 Evolved: Glial Reconstitution
@7:56 Spawned: Roach+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 89
---Final Output---
At time: 7:56
Minerals: 458 Gas: 170 Supply: 92/92
Drones: 44
Overlords: 11
Queens: 4
Roaches: 20
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 3
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Glial Reconstitution
------------------
Sun Oct 24 22:32:14 CEST 2010: 4860.889320528212

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

October 24 2010 20:51 GMT

#632

Hmm, it does seem a bit tighter, with first batch of roaches started 20 sec earlier, but funny how in the end it only shaved off ONE second with a completely different opening. Actually I didn't notice the 4 queens in that build, pretty neat.

14 hatch
13 pool
17 extractor
17 queen
21 queen
28 roach warren
28 lair
46 roach
48 extractor
47 roach
49 roach
51 roach speed
51 roach
53 queen
55 roach
57 roach
59 queen
61+ pump 15 roaches

Xapti

Canada2473 Posts

October 24 2010 20:52 GMT

#633

On October 25 2010 03:24 Pwere wrote:
On another note, I think one or two seconds should be added to the build time of any drone to factor in the initial walk distance when it spawns. I think this is the easiest way to make the builds closer to their in-practice times.

Yes. IMO this goes without saying. IMO it's such a simple addition, but is so very important.

1-2s should be added to the build time of buildings as well.

Cambam

United States360 Posts

October 24 2010 20:56 GMT

#634

I've been running into this problem where the program seems to have trouble getting more gas geysers and therefore has excess minerals and therefore builds tons of hatcheries and overlords to spend these minerals. To be fair, I'm running quite a robust build, so that may be the reason its messing up, but here are the results anyway (running for 11 hours):

*Warning: Giant wall of text ahead*
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/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:14 M:181 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:14 M:131 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:88 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:37 M:209 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:39 M:26 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildExtractor
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:46 M:56 G:0 L:2 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:52 M:53 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:66 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:03 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:09 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:09 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:133 G:13 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:42 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:42 M:302 G:64 L:1 S:15/18 BuildHatchery
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:01 M:151 G:100 L:3 S:14/18 BuildLair
@3:08 M:56 G:14 L:3 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@3:14 M:53 G:25 L:2 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@3:20 M:51 G:36 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@3:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:27 M:58 G:50 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@3:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:38 M:109 G:71 L:1 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@3:44 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:03 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:03 M:269 G:118 L:1 S:18/26 BuildDrone
@4:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:08 M:272 G:128 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@4:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:21 Spawned: Lairs+1
@4:22 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@4:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:23 M:383 G:156 L:2 S:20/28 BuildZergling
@4:23 M:333 G:156 L:1 S:21/28 BuildExtractor
@4:23 M:308 G:156 L:1 S:20/28 Pneumatized Carapace
@4:23 M:208 G:56 L:1 S:20/28 BuildDrone
@4:23 M:158 G:56 L:0 S:21/28 BuildQueen
@4:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:38 M:175 G:85 L:2 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@4:38 M:125 G:85 L:1 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@4:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:47 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:53 Spawned: Extractor+1
@4:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:53 M:252 G:115 L:2 S:25/28 BuildDrone
@4:53 M:202 G:115 L:1 S:26/28 BuildOverlord
@4:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:55 Spawned: Drone+1
---Waypoint 0---
At time: 5:00
Minerals: 179 Gas: 142 Supply: 26/28
Drones: 22
Overlords: 3
Zerglings: 2
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
----------------
@5:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:08 M:268 G:172 L:2 S:26/28 BuildDrone
@5:08 M:218 G:172 L:1 S:27/28 BuildDrone
@5:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:13 Spawned: Queen+1
@5:18 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:23 Evolved: Pneumatized Carapace
@5:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:23 M:347 G:229 L:2 S:28/36 BuildOverlord
@5:23 M:247 G:229 L:1 S:28/36 BuildQueen
@5:23 M

7 G:229 L:1 S:30/36 BuildDrone
@5:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:38 M:247 G:286 L:2 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@5:38 M:197 G:286 L:1 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@5:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:48 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:49 M:303 G:328 L:0 S:33/44 BuildHatchery
@5:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:53 M:56 G:343 L:2 S:32/44 BuildDrone
@5:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:56 M:50 G:354 L:1 S:33/44 BuildDrone
@5:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:00 M:60 G:370 L:4 S:34/44 BuildDrone
@6:03 M:54 G:381 L:3 S:35/44 BuildDrone
@6:07 M:64 G:396 L:2 S:36/44 BuildDrone
@6:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:10 M:60 G:408 L:3 S:37/44 BuildDrone
@6:13 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:13 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:13 M:58 G:419 L:2 S:38/44 BuildDrone
@6:16 M:57 G:430 L:1 S:39/44 BuildDrone
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:23 M:130 G:457 L:2 S:40/44 BuildDrone
@6:24 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:30 M:213 G:484 L:1 S:41/44 BuildSpire
@6:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:35 M:110 G:303 L:1 S:40/44 BuildOverlord
@6:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:38 M:70 G:314 L:2 S:40/44 BuildDrone
@6:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:40 M:60 G:322 L:1 S:41/44 BuildDrone
@6:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:43 M:71 G:333 L:4 S:42/44 BuildDrone
@6:44 M:42 G:337 L:3 S:43/44 BuildExtractor
@6:46 M:57 G:344 L:3 S:42/44 BuildDrone
@6:49 M:66 G:356 L:2 S:43/44 BuildDrone
@6:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:54 M:115 G:375 L:3 S:44/44 BuildOverlord
@6:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:00 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:00 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:00 M:141 G:398 L:6 S:44/52 BuildDrone
@7:00 M

1 G:398 L:5 S:45/52 BuildDrone
@7:01 M:63 G:401 L:4 S:46/52 BuildDrone
@7:03 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:03 M:57 G:409 L:3 S:47/52 BuildDrone
@7:05 M:52 G:417 L:2 S:48/52 BuildDrone
@7:06 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:08 M:69 G:428 L:3 S:49/52 BuildDrone
@7:14 Spawned: Extractor+1
@7:14 M:153 G:453 L:2 S:50/52 BuildQueen
@7:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:18 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:19 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:19 M:113 G:481 L:2 S:52/60 BuildOverlord
@7:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:21 M:59 G:493 L:1 S:52/60 BuildDrone
@7:22 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:23 M:55 G:504 L:2 S:53/60 BuildDrone
@7:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:25 M:51 G:515 L:1 S:54/60 BuildDrone
@7:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:28 M:71 G:532 L:4 S:55/60 BuildDrone
@7:29 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@7:30 M:72 G:544 L:3 S:56/62 BuildDrone
@7:32 M:74 G:555 L:2 S:57/62 BuildDrone
@7:33 M:50 G:561 L:1 S:58/62 BuildDrone
@7:38 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:38 M:129 G:589 L:3 S:59/62 BuildDrone
@7:38 M:79 G:589 L:2 S:60/62 BuildDrone
@7:39 M:56 G:595 L:1 S:61/62 BuildDrone
@7:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:44 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:44 M:143 G:624 L:4 S:62/70 BuildDrone
@7:44 M

3 G:624 L:3 S:63/70 BuildDrone
@7:44 M:43 G:624 L:2 S:64/70 BuildExtractor
@7:45 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:46 M:74 G:635 L:2 S:63/70 BuildDrone
@7:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:47 M:52 G:641 L:1 S:64/70 BuildDrone
@7:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:50 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:53 M:178 G:675 L:3 S:65/70 BuildOverlord
@7:53 M:78 G:675 L:2 S:65/70 BuildDrone
@7:54 M:58 G:681 L:1 S:66/70 BuildDrone
@7:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:56 Spawned: Drone+1
---Waypoint 1---
At time: 8:00
Minerals: 197 Gas: 715 Supply: 67/70
Drones: 54
Overlords: 8
Queens: 2
Zerglings: 2
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 3
Spawning Pools: 1
Pneumatized Carapace
----------------
@8:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:03 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:04 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:04 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:08 M:466 G:760 L:3 S:67/70 BuildOverlord
@8:08 M:366 G:760 L:2 S:67/70 BuildDrone
@8:08 M:316 G:760 L:1 S:68/70 BuildDrone
@8:10 Spawned: Spire+1
@8:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:11 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:13 M:436 G:789 L:4 S:69/70 BuildOverlord
@8:13 M:336 G:789 L:3 S:69/70 BuildDrone
@8:14 Spawned: Extractor+1
@8:18 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:18 M:454 G:827 L:2 S:70/78 BuildMutalisk
@8:18 M:354 G:727 L:1 S:72/78 BuildDrone
@8:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:23 M:472 G:765 L:3 S:73/78 BuildMutalisk
@8:23 M:372 G:665 L:2 S:75/78 BuildDrone
@8:23 M:322 G:665 L:1 S:76/78 BuildDrone
@8:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:28 M:442 G:703 L:4 S:77/78 BuildOverlord
@8:28 M:342 G:703 L:3 S:77/78 Flyer Attacks +1
@8:28 M:242 G:603 L:3 S:77/78 BuildZergling
@8:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:33 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:33 M:363 G:641 L:2 S:78/86 BuildMutalisk
@8:33 M:263 G:541 L:1 S:80/86 BuildMutalisk
@8:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:38 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:38 M:334 G:479 L:3 S:82/94 BuildMutalisk
@8:38 M:234 G:379 L:2 S:84/94 BuildExtractor
@8:38 M:209 G:379 L:2 S:83/94 BuildMutalisk
@8:38 M:109 G:279 L:1 S:85/94 BuildZergling
@8:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:49 M:440 G:363 L:4 S:86/94 BuildMutalisk
@8:49 M:340 G:263 L:3 S:88/94 BuildMutalisk
@8:49 M:240 G:163 L:2 S

0/94 BuildZergling
@8:51 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:52 Spawned: Zergling+2
@8:53 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:54 M:363 G:201 L:4 S

1/102 BuildSpire
@8:56 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:58 M:300 G:31 L:8 S

0/102 BuildHatchery
@9:00 M:69 G:46 L:8 S:89/102 BuildZergling
@9:01 M:53 G:54 L:7 S

0/102 BuildZergling
@9:02 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:03 M:71 G:69 L:6 S

1/102 BuildZergling
@9:04 M:55 G:77 L:5 S

2/102 BuildZergling
@9:06 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:06 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:07 M:108 G

9 L:4 S

3/102 BuildOverlord
@9:08 Spawned: Extractor+1
@9:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:09 M:75 G:118 L:6 S

3/102 BuildDrone
@9:10 M:59 G:128 L:5 S

4/102 BuildDrone
@9:11 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:11 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:12 M:76 G:147 L:4 S

5/102 BuildDrone
@9:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:13 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:13 M:60 G:156 L:7 S

6/102 BuildDrone
@9:15 M:77 G:175 L:6 S

7/102 BuildDrone
@9:16 M:60 G:185 L:5 S

8/102 BuildDrone
@9:18 M:78 G:204 L:4 S

9/102 BuildDrone
@9:19 M:61 G:213 L:3 S:100/102 BuildDrone
@9:21 M:78 G:232 L:2 S:101/102 BuildDrone
@9:22 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:22 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:24 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:25 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:26 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:27 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:28 Spawned: Zergling+2
@9:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:30 Spawned: Drone+1
---Waypoint 2---
At time: 9:30
Minerals: 333 Gas: 318 Supply: 102/102
Drones: 67
Overlords: 12
Queens: 3
Zerglings: 16
Mutalisks: 8
Hatcheries: 2
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 5
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
Pneumatized Carapace
----------------
@9:32 Spawned: Overlord+1
@9:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:32 M:402 G:337 L:4 S:102/110 BuildDrone
@9:32 M:352 G:337 L:3 S:103/110 BuildDrone
@9:32 M:302 G:337 L:2 S:104/110 BuildDrone
@9:32 M:252 G:337 L:1 S:105/110 BuildDrone
@9:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:34 M:272 G:356 L:4 S:106/110 BuildDrone
@9:34 M:222 G:356 L:3 S:107/110 BuildDrone
@9:34 M:172 G:356 L:2 S:108/110 BuildOverlord
@9:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:35 M:107 G:365 L:1 S:108/110 BuildOverlord
@9:36 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:38 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:38 M:113 G:394 L:3 S:108/110 BuildOverlord
@9:41 M:119 G:422 L:2 S:108/110 BuildMutalisk
@9:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:59 Spawned: Overlord+1
@9:59 M:674 G:493 L:12 S:110/118 BuildMutalisk
@9:59 M:574 G:393 L:11 S:112/118 BuildOverlord
@9:59 M:474 G:393 L:10 S:112/118 BuildQueen
@9:59 M:324 G:393 L:10 S:114/118 Metabolic Boost
@9:59 M:224 G:293 L:10 S:114/118 BuildEvolutionChamber
@10:00 Spawned: Overlord+1
@10:03 Spawned: Overlord+1
@10:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:14 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@10:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:24 Spawned: Overlord+1
@10:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:32 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@10:34 Spawned: Spire+1
@10:34 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@10:34 M:1437 G:626 L:18 S:113/142 Flyer Armor +1
@10:34 M:1287 G:476 L:18 S:113/142 BuildEvolutionChamber
@10:34 M:1212 G:476 L:18 S:112/142 BuildZergling
@10:34 M:1162 G:476 L:17 S:113/142 Melee +1
@10:38 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@10:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:49 Spawned: Queen+1
@10:49 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:58 Spawned: Zergling+2
@11:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:08 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +1
@11:09 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@11:09 M:2543 G:708 L:25 S:113/144 Carapace +1
@11:09 M:2443 G:608 L:25 S:113/144 Flyer Attacks +2
@11:09 M:2268 G:433 L:25 S:113/144 BuildOverlord
@11:09 M:2168 G:433 L:24 S:113/144 BuildInfestationPit
@11:09 M:2068 G:333 L:24 S:112/144 BuildQueen
@11:09 M:1918 G:333 L:24 S:114/144 BuildMutalisk
@11:09 M:1818 G:233 L:23 S:116/144 BuildMutalisk
@11:09 M:1718 G:133 L:22 S:118/144 BuildZergling
@11:09 M:1668 G:133 L:21 S:119/144 BuildMutalisk
@11:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:24 Spawned: Larva+1
@11:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:33 Spawned: Zergling+2
@11:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:34 Spawned: Overlord+1
@11:42 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@11:42 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@11:42 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@11:49 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@11:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:59 Spawned: Infestation Pit+1
@11:59 Spawned: Queen+1
@12:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:14 Evolved: Flyer Armor +1
@13:14 Evolved: Melee +1
@13:14 M:6843 G:1221 L:64 S:121/152 Carapace +1
@13:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:49 Evolved: Carapace +1
@13:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:49 M:8220 G:1453 L:80 S:121/152 Melee +2
@13:49 M:8070 G:1303 L:80 S:121/152 BuildQueen
@13:49 M:7920 G:1303 L:80 S:123/152 BuildQueen
@13:49 M:7770 G:1303 L:80 S:125/152 BuildQueen
@13:49 M:7620 G:1303 L:80 S:127/152 BuildHive
@13:49 M:7420 G:1153 L:80 S:127/152 BuildZergling
@13:49 M:7370 G:1153 L:79 S:128/152 BuildOverlord
@13:49 M:7270 G:1153 L:78 S:128/152 BuildOverlord
@13:49 M:7170 G:1153 L:77 S:128/152 BuildMutalisk
@13:49 M:7070 G:1053 L:76 S:130/152 BuildMutalisk
@13:49 M:6970 G

53 L:75 S:132/152 BuildOverlord
@13:49 M:6870 G

53 L:74 S:132/152 BuildMutalisk
@13:49 M:6770 G:853 L:73 S:134/152 BuildOverlord
@14:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@14:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:13 Spawned: Zergling+2
@14:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@14:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@14:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@14:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@14:19 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +2
@14:22 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@14:22 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@14:22 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@14:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:39 Spawned: Queen+1
@14:39 Spawned: Queen+1
@14:39 Spawned: Queen+1
@14:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:29 Spawned: Hives+1
---Waypoint 3---
At time: 15:30
Minerals: 10932 Gas: 1813 Supply: 134/184
Drones: 75
Overlords: 22
Queens: 8
Zerglings: 22
Mutalisks: 16
Hatcheries: 3
Hives: 1
Gas Extractors: 5
Spawning Pools: 1
Infestation Pit: 1
Spire: 2
Evolution Chambers: 2
Melee +1
Armor +1
Flyer Attack +1
Flyer Attack +2
Flyer Armor +1
Metabolic Boost
Pneumatized Carapace
----------------
@15:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:54 Evolved: Carapace +1
@15:54 M:11945 G:2041 L:112 S:134/184 Carapace +2
@15:54 M:11795 G:1891 L:112 S:134/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:11695 G:1791 L:111 S:136/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:11595 G:1691 L:110 S:138/184 Adrenal Glands
@15:54 M:11395 G:1491 L:110 S:138/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:11295 G:1391 L:109 S:140/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M:11245 G:1391 L:108 S:141/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M:11195 G:1391 L:107 S:142/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:11095 G:1291 L:106 S:144/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10995 G:1191 L:105 S:146/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10895 G:1091 L:104 S:148/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10795 G

91 L:103 S:150/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M:10745 G

91 L:102 S:151/184 BuildOverlord
@15:54 M:10645 G

91 L:101 S:151/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M:10595 G

91 L:100 S:152/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10495 G:891 L

9 S:154/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M:10445 G:891 L

8 S:155/184 BuildQueen
@15:54 M:10295 G:891 L

8 S:157/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10195 G:791 L

7 S:159/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M:10095 G:691 L

6 S:161/184 BuildQueen
@15:54 M

945 G:691 L

6 S:163/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M

845 G:591 L

5 S:165/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M

745 G:491 L

4 S:167/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M

645 G:391 L

3 S:169/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M

595 G:391 L

2 S:170/184 BuildZergling
@15:54 M

545 G:391 L

1 S:171/184 BuildQueen
@15:54 M

395 G:391 L

1 S:173/184 BuildMutalisk
@15:54 M

295 G:291 L

0 S:175/184 Flyer Attacks +3
@15:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:01 M

340 G:107 L

4 S:175/184 BuildMutalisk
@16:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:09 Spawned: Larva+1
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:18 Spawned: Zergling+2
@16:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:19 Spawned: Overlord+1
@16:24 M:10211 G:226 L:101 S:177/192 Flyer Armor +2
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:27 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:34 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@16:35 M:10450 G:105 L:105 S:177/192 BuildMutalisk
@16:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:44 Spawned: Queen+1
@16:44 Spawned: Queen+1
@16:44 Spawned: Queen+1
@16:45 M:10772 G:100 L:108 S:179/192 BuildMutalisk
@16:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:50 Spawned: Larva+1
@16:56 M:11136 G:105 L:111 S:181/192 BuildMutalisk
@16:59 Evolved: Melee +2
@17:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:06 M:11458 G:100 L:114 S:183/192 BuildMutalisk
@17:08 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@17:11 Spawned: Larva+1
@17:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:17 M:11822 G:104 L:117 S:185/192 BuildMutalisk
@17:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@17:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:28 M:12186 G:109 L:120 S:187/192 BuildMutalisk
@17:28 M:12086 G

L:119 S:189/192 BuildOverlord
@17:28 M:11986 G

L:118 S:189/192 BuildOverlord
@17:28 M:11886 G

L:117 S:189/192 BuildOverlord
@17:29 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@17:32 Spawned: Larva+1
@17:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:38 M:12208 G:104 L:120 S:189/192 BuildMutalisk
@17:38 M:12108 G:4 L:119 S:191/192 BuildZergling
@17:39 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@17:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:50 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@17:53 Spawned: Overlord+1
@17:53 Spawned: Overlord+1
@17:53 Spawned: Overlord+1
@17:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@17:53 M:12691 G:146 L:122 S:192/216 BuildQueen
@17:53 M:12541 G:146 L:122 S:194/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:12241 G:146 L:122 S:193/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M:12191 G:146 L:121 S:194/216 BuildMutalisk
@17:53 M:12091 G:46 L:120 S:196/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:11791 G:46 L:120 S:195/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:11491 G:46 L:120 S:194/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:11191 G:46 L:120 S:193/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:10891 G:46 L:120 S:192/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:10591 G:46 L:120 S:191/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:10291 G:46 L:120 S:190/216 BuildQueen
@17:53 M:10141 G:46 L:120 S:192/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M:10091 G:46 L:119 S:193/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M

791 G:46 L:119 S:192/216 BuildQueen
@17:53 M

641 G:46 L:119 S:194/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M

591 G:46 L:118 S:195/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M

291 G:46 L:118 S:194/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:8991 G:46 L:118 S:193/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:8691 G:46 L:118 S:192/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:8391 G:46 L:118 S:191/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:8091 G:46 L:118 S:190/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M:8041 G:46 L:117 S:191/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:7741 G:46 L:117 S:190/216 BuildQueen
@17:53 M:7591 G:46 L:117 S:192/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:7291 G:46 L:117 S:191/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M:7241 G:46 L:116 S:192/216 BuildZergling
@17:53 M:7191 G:46 L:115 S:193/216 BuildHatchery
@17:53 M:6891 G:46 L:115 S:192/216 BuildHatchery
@17:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:59 M:6775 G:103 L:119 S:191/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:01 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:02 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:04 Evolved: Adrenal Glands
@18:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@18:10 M:7013 G:108 L:118 S:193/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:11 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:13 Spawned: Larva+4
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:17 Spawned: Zergling+2
@18:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@18:20 M:7219 G:103 L:125 S:195/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@18:26 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:31 M:7456 G:107 L:124 S:197/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:32 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@18:41 M:7663 G:102 L:127 S:199/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:41 M:7563 G:2 L:126 S:201/216 BuildZergling
@18:43 Spawned: Queen+1
@18:43 Spawned: Queen+1
@18:43 Spawned: Queen+1
@18:43 Spawned: Queen+1
@18:43 Spawned: Larva+4
@18:43 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@18:52 M:7850 G:107 L:129 S:202/216 BuildMutalisk
@18:52 M:7750 G:7 L:128 S:204/216 BuildOverlord
@18:52 M:7650 G:7 L:127 S:204/216 BuildZergling
@18:52 M:7600 G:7 L:126 S:205/216 BuildOverlord
@18:52 M:7500 G:7 L:125 S:205/216 BuildOverlord
@18:53 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@18:58 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:04 Evolved: Carapace +2
@19:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:04 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@19:05 Spawned: Zergling+2
@19:07 Spawned: Larva+1
@19:14 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@19:16 Spawned: Zergling+2
@19:17 Spawned: Overlord+1
@19:17 Spawned: Overlord+1
@19:17 Spawned: Overlord+1
@19:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:25 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@19:28 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:33 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@19:34 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +3
@19:34 Evolved: Flyer Armor +2
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 245
---Final Output---
At time: 19:34
Minerals: 8690 Gas: 406 Supply: 205/274
Drones: 58
Overlords: 29
Queens: 15
Zerglings: 54
Mutalisks: 45
Hatcheries: 20
Hives: 1
Gas Extractors: 5
Spawning Pools: 1
Infestation Pit: 1
Spire: 2
Evolution Chambers: 2
Melee +1
Melee +2
Armor +1
Armor +2
Flyer Attack +1
Flyer Attack +2
Flyer Attack +3
Flyer Armor +1
Flyer Armor +2
Metabolic Boost
Adrenal Glands
Pneumatized Carapace
------------------
Sun Oct 24 16:41:54 EDT 2010: 638439.574587151

I have run smaller builds that do the same thing though. They sit at 4 gas extractors instead of getting 5 or 6 and then the minerals get really high, so it ends up with 4 or 5 hatcheries and extra overlords. I mentioned earlier that the gas extractor field doesn't work, so I can't specify 6 gas extractors. The program may just be getting unlucky and never mutating that 5th gas.

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 24 2010 21:00 GMT

#635

Just to verify i tried the "demo" build Fast 7 Roach - what is the record on that?

After 5 min. i got them by 4:34! 6 sec faster than in first post (i know of a build around 5th page with 4:39).
I am letting it run until morning.

+ Show Spoiler +

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:01 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:24 M:202 G:0 L:2 S:11/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:31 M:52 G:0 L:3 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:38 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:45 M:51 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:52 M:55 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:01 M:80 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:02 M:40 G:0 L:0 S:15/18 BuildExtractor
@2:09 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:16 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:16 M:140 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:18 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:29 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:31 M:238 G:0 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:32 M:196 G:1 L:0 S:16/18 BuildQueen
@2:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:46 M:166 G:28 L:1 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@2:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:01 M:205 G:56 L:1 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@3:11 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:11 M:197 G:76 L:0 S:18/26 BuildRoachWarren
@3:16 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:22 Spawned: Queen+1
@3:26 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:06 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@4:06 M:520 G:180 L:3 S:17/34 BuildRoach
@4:06 M:445 G:155 L:2 S:19/34 BuildRoach
@4:06 M:370 G:130 L:1 S:21/34 BuildRoach
@4:07 Spawned: Larva+4
@4:07 M:304 G:107 L:4 S:23/34 BuildRoach
@4:07 M:229 G:82 L:3 S:25/34 BuildRoach
@4:07 M:154 G:57 L:2 S:27/34 BuildRoach
@4:07 M:79 G:32 L:1 S:29/34 BuildRoach
@4:21 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:33 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:33 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:33 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:34 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:34 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:34 Spawned: Roach+1
@4:34 Spawned: Roach+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 37
---Final Output---
At time: 4:34
Minerals: 236 Gas: 58 Supply: 31/34
Drones: 15
Overlords: 4
Queens: 1
Roaches: 7
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
------------------
Sun Oct 24 22:59:44 CEST 2010: 598667.22006255

Maelkyral

United States22 Posts

October 24 2010 22:24 GMT

#636

Would there be some way to change it so it optimizes drone count instead of time? I think this is the more useful approach for a Zerg player; I generally want to know the strongest economy I can set up while getting enough stuff by the right time to cope with what my opponent is doing to me.

Loxon

United States20 Posts

October 24 2010 22:35 GMT

#637

On October 25 2010 07:24 Maelkyral wrote:
Would there be some way to change it so it optimizes drone count instead of time? I think this is the more useful approach for a Zerg player; I generally want to know the strongest economy I can set up while getting enough stuff by the right time to cope with what my opponent is doing to me.

Couldn't you just set the parameters yourself? For example, instead of asking for 4 lings and 7 mutas, tell it you also want 1 additional hatch and 48 total drones. Then it will try to find the fastest time for all of that.

arr

United States19 Posts

October 24 2010 22:41 GMT

#638

what is this shit?

Maelkyral

United States22 Posts

October 24 2010 22:47 GMT

#639

On October 25 2010 07:35 Loxon wrote:

Show nested quote +

But this leads to trying to guess-timate the number of drones that can be maxed out at by the desired deadline. Suppose I want to get 5 mutalisks by 9 minutes, and maximize the number of drones. I can try 40 drones, and get it to optimize that. Suppose it says it can do all that by 8 mins. So then I should try 45 drones, and get a new number for that, until I am as close to 9 mins as possible. This leads to iterated optimizations rather than just one, as I was suggesting.

However, I think there might be another way to do it. Just set the final instead as some large unit composition that you would like by a reasonable point in late game, and it will start trying to better optimize the economy early on to hasten that endgame point.

Btw, it seems to think Overseers do not provide supply (supply max falls by 8 whenever Overseer is morphed). Is anyone else seeing this problem?

Dudemeister

Sweden314 Posts

October 24 2010 22:52 GMT

#640

On October 25 2010 06:00 icezar wrote:
Just to verify i tried the "demo" build Fast 7 Roach - what is the record on that?

After 5 min. i got them by 4:34! 6 sec faster than in first post (i know of a build around 5th page with 4:39).
I am letting it run until morning.

+ Show Spoiler +

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

Man I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. When I do the build you specified I get the 7 roaches popping at almost exactly 5:00 every time.
What can be the cause of this?
The program builds all the 7 roaches at the same time but I never have money for 7, only 6.
Sure there are small timing things like moving drones for building etc but thye should not amount to 30 seconds extra.

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