EPTI would just like to echo existing posts: Is there really no moderation here?
Day[9] on MLG’s OSR Tonight - Page 19
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applejuice
307 Posts
I would just like to echo existing posts: Is there really no moderation here? | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
The event is already over, the VOD will be posted within 24 hours on MLGPro.com like all other Old Spice Reports, and the thread has derailed into a Halo vs SC2 flamefest. Should just be nuked from orbit. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing. Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~ You realize that the wow arena gets most of the stream viewing out of all their events, sometimes it is over half their views, just not much sponsorship money that way. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:07 MLG_Rben wrote: After watching the show, I would love to get some feedback from the community here at TL about what other features or segments we could include, specifically SC2 centric content that you would be interested in watching. Thanks, Ben Alright, I'll give it a shot. I most cases, the more starcraft 2 exposure the better, but I think you guys may have missed the mark a bit with your integration of Starcraft 2 into your competitive gaming lineup. Starcraft may encompass reflexes and clever on-the-spot tactics like other games, but in the grand scheme of things I believe it to be a far more cerebral and complex game than anything else running at MLG. I feel you guys would do well to recognize this. Lumping this strategy game in amongst games that are either entirely reflex/tactic dependent or expected to have a four month life span isn't going to really resonate. Starcraft has an entirely different audience. The show hosts clearly aren't familiar with the starcraft scene and perhaps wouldn't even know how to play the game, but they shouldn't be trying to pretend they are/would. It's not something a person can fake, no matter how much makeup they have on or how well they've rehearsed their lines. The starcraft fans will recognize this and become resentful. I know the ball is just starting to get rolling with SC2 at MLG so it would be unfair to expect instantaneous success in all facets of Starcraft 2 related areas. As one of the forerunners for Starcraft 2 in North America, I assure you the majority of the starcraft scene is thankful for the work you guys do at MLG. They just might not like being strung along and forced to watch 10 minutes of flat unthoughtful verbal diarrhea about things they have no interest in to get 180 seconds of rehearsed and rehashed hype for an event they already knew everything about (which is why a lot of these responses in this thread might be overly negative). In other words, if you are looking to add more starcraft related segments, as you mentioned, I would suggest ensuring that content is in-depth, thoughtful, and suited for the audience. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
We are all thankful for what MLG is doing for SC2. But lets put it this way. I will not pay any attention at all if you have people talking about starcraft and commentating games that have no idea what they are talking about. I am sure it works the same in the halo community. If you want SC to pickup you will *need* people like day9 who does not only have a great personality but also have an AMAZING amount of knowledge in SC2. I would suggest looking to pickup people that have an incredible amount of starcraft knowledge before picking up just any caster. They will be able to explain what is going on the best. | ||
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
On October 08 2010 14:43 n0xi3 wrote: Reiterating what SiguR said.. We are all thankful for what MLG is doing for SC2. But lets put it this way. I will not pay any attention at all if you have people talking about starcraft and commentating games that have no idea what they are talking about. I am sure it works the same in the halo community. If you want SC to pickup you will *need* people like day9 who does not only have a great personality but also have an AMAZING amount of knowledge in SC2. I would suggest looking to pickup people that have an incredible amount of starcraft knowledge before picking up just any caster. They will be able to explain what is going on the best. I think they've got the casting spot on with JP + Day9... I think they're asking for feedback on the SC2 inclusion in the show, but I must say, the treatment for the games in the show had.. nothing to do with the games, so I'm not sure what to suggest? Everybody enjoys player interviews, but it seems like you guys would probably ask them something completely unrelated to the game heh.. but yeah, criticisms aside, MLG is working hard and I'm hopeful that when the response continues to increase they'll adjust accordingly. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On October 08 2010 12:23 applejuice wrote: These "brah" / "bro" comments are just plain ridiculous. I would just like to echo existing posts: Is there really no moderation here? your post is so great you should obs be kind of TL... | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
On October 08 2010 15:04 tyrless wrote: you really need DJWheat involved in these types of events, he's the perfect middle man who can build bridges between e-sports communities They had him on episode 2 of the Old Spice Report. http://www.youtube.com/user/majorleaguegaming#p/c/BD7D213D2BED0B23/1/dHx4aftUh6Y That link should take you directly to that Old Spice Report playlist. I assume the VOD for the day9 episode will be on there soon as well. | ||
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Rah
United States973 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
?don't leave us hanging! | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
It's like Justin Bieber supporting the Foo Fighters. I.e. It doesn't matter how many people like Justin Bieber, he sucks and the Foo Fighters are a million times better. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 08 2010 16:08 Klive5ive wrote: It seems putting Halo and SC2 on the same set will always cause problems. It's like Justin Bieber supporting the Foo Fighters. I.e. It doesn't matter how many people like Justin Bieber, he sucks and the Foo Fighters are a million times better. Right idea wrong band  | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 08 2010 12:23 applejuice wrote: These "brah" / "bro" comments are just plain ridiculous. I would just like to echo existing posts: Is there really no moderation here? Why are they ridiculous? They asked for criticism of the show and they're receiving it. The tone of the show is reminiscent of a 40ish screenwriter's idea of how frat boys behave. It's superficial and insincere, and I really can't imagine that ANY gaming audience really prefers this type of "faux bro" shtick. We're not asking for skinny nerds with pocket protectors, we're just asking for the hosts to not channel Seann William Scott. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 08 2010 10:29 ApBuLLet wrote: Anyways I'm glad that StarCraft 2 is being recognized by other communities. Maybe we can show the console community what esports is all about... because going by their show... clearly they don't know :p I'm not sure about that....maybe it's because I'm a quite pessimistic person, but considering what MLG's main audience is interested in, it seems hard to me to find a "common basis" I don't wanna offend console-gamers in any way, hell I sometimes play call of duty on ps3 because it's fun for relaxing; but there are WORLDS between the sc2-community and the console-gamer-community; console-gamers in general don't seem to be too interested in in-debth analysis of their game....or talking about specifics, tactical details, player-personalities etc. in general; although this is very generalizing, I get the impression the audience of MLG is much more into a "cool show" it will definitely help sc2 to grow when it is implemented in the MLG-concept; nevertheless, I find it hard to believe, that the spirit of sc, that was transferred from BW to SC2, that goes very deep into strategic analysis can be combined with the "I want to play a game"-spirit of the console-gaming community; would be kinda similar if you would ask pro-snooker-players to join in at an event where soccer and basketball tournaments are played; the audience is just SO different in every possible way, that snooker-fans will probably feel a bit awkward, although it would definitely help the sport to grow in the US and reach out to a different audience | ||
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StaticKinetics
United States23 Posts
Here's my criticism: Either you make your show professional, serious and informative or you be damn, DAMN sure your hosts are funny otherwise its pointless. The scripting was terrible. What is your target audience? 9th graders? There's nothing wrong with a "casual" program, but when you bring a community like starcraft's, which is used to mature humor mixed with high level analysis, and try to make it fit with a childish atmosphere it just doesn't work. Take a look at some of DjWheat's casts. Its authentic, the host knows what he's talking about, and very very loosely scripted. Thats how you bring in a community like this. e: I want to emphasize the MATURE HUMOR part because thats exactly what you should be going for. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
I don't think there's any inherent clash between SC2 and other games. An MLG show that covers gaming news, esports, etc is not some unholy chimaera that cannot be imagined. I think you underestimate console gamers if you think they want to watch superficial glitz where two "bros" talk about how "extreeeeme" Halo is (note that I'm just talking about the stereotypes being used in this thread, not the actual show). I think they'd be just as interested in hearing about competitive Halo players' playstyles and tactics. I mean, Halo doesn't really have strategy but surely players have tricks they use on maps, and weapons they prefer, etc. In the end competitive gamers want to stomp noobs. Shows that help us understand how to better our noob-stomping powers should have universal appeal. And I really think any gamer who watches the OSR is tuning out the hosts and just waiting for the game footage. At least that's how I watched similar shows back when I bothered with television. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 08 2010 17:36 StaticKinetics wrote: There's nothing wrong with a "casual" program, but when you bring a community like starcraft's, which is used to mature humor mixed with high level analysis, and try to make it fit with a childish atmosphere it just doesn't work. the real, underlying question nevertheless remains: does it, in fact "hurt" starcraft 2? or wouldn't it hurt much more to see starcraft 2 removed from MLG altogether? I know it's annoying, but I think we have to indulge the immaturity in order to see high level big scale sc2-tournaments; because if there's one thing MLG is really good at, then it's organizing the stuff so it works: beside IEM and GSL there is nothing on this scale right now, if we scare MLG away with retarded comments, then we basicly shoot ourselves in our own feet @kojinshugi: I don't know too much about the conosle-gaming-community, but if MLG reaches its audience with "these" kind of shows, then I think it's fair to make certain assumptions; I mean, MLG itself is a professional organization, if their audience would appreciate in-debth analyzis, why annoy them with such shows then...the customer is king for them obviously? | ||
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StaticKinetics
United States23 Posts
On October 08 2010 17:43 sleepingdog wrote: the real, underlying question nevertheless remains: does it, in fact "hurt" starcraft 2? or wouldn't it hurt much more to see starcraft 2 removed from MLG altogether? I know it's annoying, but I think we have to indulge the immaturity in order to see high level big scale sc2-tournaments; because if there's one thing MLG is really good at, then it's organizing the stuff so it works: beside IEM and GSL there is nothing on this scale right now, if we scare MLG away with retarded comments, then we basicly shoot ourselves in our own feet Personally, if this is the attitude MLG wants to take with SC2, I don't think we need them or should want their support. I know that sounds elitist as hell, but I was legitimately embarrassed watching that segment. I don't want people to look at SC2 from the outside as its being presented by MLG as some kind of joke. It needs a professional, mature atmosphere that other venues already offer. SC2 has the potential to radically alter the competitive gaming scene. The success GSL is already having should be proof of that. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
 These guys knew nothing about SC2 and were absolutely aimed at a different demo-graph entirely. Like so much so that we can't help but notice how completely inappropriate they are for the typical RTS fan. I understand things are more complicated than merely pandering to the RTS community entirely.. but if you want to include SC2 in a show like this you MUST have better informed and more appropriate hosts. With JP/Day9 so clearly involved with you guys I find little to no excuse. If this isn't worth the cost than scrap it... I'd rather MLG does nothing along these lines than limp in with a terrible show. | ||
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