Before I kick this off I would like to take a minute to introduce myself, my name is Ben and I work in the Marketing Department of Major League Gaming. I am also the Executive Producer of the Old Spice Report, an LIVE interactive show hosted by Puckett & Shibby. The show will cover a slew of current topics and happenings in and around the competitive gaming scene.
We are very excited about everything we have done with SC2 and are looking to do even more. However, before we can get the ball rolling on some of our plans I need to prove that the SC2 and TL audience will actively watch what we create and interact with us.
Later tonight Sean ‘Day[9]’ Plott will be making an appearance on the Old Spice Report, where he will be providing a preview of what we can expect at the MLG DC event. It would be a phenomenal help if I could go to the higher ups at MLG and say look at the number of people we got to tune in for SC2, let’s give them even more. So in that regard I am asking all of you to tune into the show tonight at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on live.mlgpro.com.
After watching the show, I would love to get some feedback from the community here at TL about what other features or segments we could include, specifically SC2 centric content that you would be interested in watching.
We are all very grateful for your decision to pick up SC2 on your circuit and I'm sure alot of people will be tuning in tonight to further support that.
I will tune in, specially when it helps the StarCraft 2 community. Have been watching OSR before SC2 but will definitely watch more if there is sc2 content also.
Keep up the great work, looking forward to the event. Hope I get to watch it all, I think the timezone in europe is less then ideal.
Do you have an ETA on when he'll be on? (I don't mean to be flippant, but if I tune in and the topic is not-starcraft I probably won't continue watching.)
Just going to chyme in real quick (and up this post):
OSR might not be catered to the TL audience but if you guys show MLG that you're willing to watch anything sprinkled with SC2 content, then more stuff will come your way catered to this audience. That is all!
Please feel free to give any criticism (as long as its constructive) in this thread and I'll do my best to get the right eyes on it
I'm glad you're adding him to the OSR, I'll be sure to tune in, but it would be great to also see some more SC2 centric content from MLG. You could for example sponsor his Daily and have him put MLG on his daily banner.
I really hope the OSR is better than it was during Raleigh. It was really superficial and didn't really feature anything of interest at all. And I'm not a strict RTS player at all, I generally like gaming shows.
Hopefully you received some feedback and this time it'll be more focused and engaging.
To sum up my issues with the OSR (from Raleigh) - less glitz more content.
On October 08 2010 05:23 kojinshugi wrote: I really hope the OSR is better than it was during Raleigh. It was really superficial and didn't really feature anything of interest at all. And I'm not a strict RTS player at all, I generally like gaming shows.
Hopefully you received some feedback and this time it'll be more focused and engaging.
To sum up my issues with the OSR (from Raleigh) - less glitz more content.
I would guess that is why they are having Day[9] make an appearance. Any eSports reporting show for SC or SC2 would be foolish to feature Day[9] and not let him talk about the game. Day[9] implies critical thinking into the depths of Starcraft.
On October 08 2010 05:22 MrEaux wrote: Sponsor his Daily and have him put MLG on his daily banner.
I actually would not be shocked if Day 9 Daily gets some sponsors sometime soon, MLG would be a huge sponsor for him and would surprise me...he gets ridiculous number of hits though. MLG hiring him full time would probably mean the dailies would appear on MLG's new MLG TV site... great for traffic, idk how great for business. But yeah, Day 9 deserves some love for everything he does for SC2
On October 08 2010 05:23 kojinshugi wrote: I really hope the OSR is better than it was during Raleigh. It was really superficial and didn't really feature anything of interest at all. And I'm not a strict RTS player at all, I generally like gaming shows.
Hopefully you received some feedback and this time it'll be more focused and engaging.
To sum up my issues with the OSR (from Raleigh) - less glitz more content.
I would guess that is why they are having Day[9] make an appearance. Any eSports reporting show for SC or SC2 would be foolish to feature Day[9] and not let him talk about the game. Day[9] implies critical thinking into the depths of Starcraft.
Thanks for the heads up! will be tuning in.
Yeah, I actually watched the most recent episode on their site and it's not really as bad as I remember that Raleigh episode being.
It still has this vibe where they appear to be parodying an ESPN show, except about gaming.
i followed MLG before getting into starcraft II and i have to say, I love puckett and all, but some of the segments in the old spice report feel a little forced and thats part of the reason I don't tune in more, but i'll definitely watch this for day9
I doubt that Day[9] would sell his show's rights unless there were some serious money involved. You may be able to convince him to do a preshow/postshow commercial.
Anyway we'd all appreciate it if you could at least match his income from his pizza delivery job. That's super dangerous work in LA and it would be much nicer if Day[9] could spend 6 hours developing Starcraft content instead. Just having him put together a "SC2 News this Week" would get you an instant 20k viewer show.
Keep up the great work at MLG! Get a Cable channel too. If you sub-license GOM content, you'd have over 100 hours per week of programming and that's coming pretty close to what you'd need to run a full cable network. I'm sure you are working on it but just know that the community is out there. When you are ready, we can bombard Comcast and RoadRunner with hundreds of thousands of requests for your network. =)
On October 08 2010 05:52 EntropyFails wrote: Day[9] could spend 6 hours developing Starcraft content instead. Just having him put together a "SC2 News this Week" would get you an instant 20k viewer show.
I tuned in a few weeks back to watch the SC2 section, then tuned out. Hard to show the legitimate numbers to your higher ups as to where the influx of people came from. If MLG were able to get on the TL Calender or Day9 advert'd on his show then that'd be several thousand more viewers potentially, but since we don't know the exact time day shows up it'll be interesting to see where the viewers come from.
It's too bad I can't view this easily on my Droid. Video is choppy due to the video not being optimized for the mobile platform. At least I can have it up for the extra viewers!
I'll definitely tune in. Businesses need numbers, cold hard facts to move new things forward. So even if it's choppy, laggy, or you just can't watch it, I encourage everyone to still have it up and running during the report so you can contribute to the statistics that the suits and powers that be will be seeing.
On October 08 2010 07:53 Nullshock wrote: I'll definitely tune in. Businesses need numbers, cold hard facts to move new things forward. So even if it's choppy, laggy, or you just can't watch it, I encourage everyone to still have it up and running during the report so you can contribute to the statistics that the suits and powers that be will be seeing.
Yep, even if you have to have it in a background window muted, it still helps to get the numbers up
I have never seen old spice report before and I am only watching it now because they have Day9 there so I know it can't be that bad. That said, if I find it good I will continue watching it ^^
The stream at least seems to work for now but lets hope it will continue to do so. Don't know what kinda numbers they wan't but it's over 600 now so at least we are going into the right direction
On October 08 2010 07:55 epicopter wrote: How much Halo talk am I going to have to put up with?
I seem to enjoy almost and talk about games including halo, especially if the topic is e-sports related, I love seeing e-sports expanding and getting bigger. (even halo)
On October 08 2010 08:04 Kishkumen wrote: I'm so glad these guys aren't starcraft casters.
Guy 1: Dude that Zergling is killing that Marine, that is totally rad dude Guy 2: Monster rad man, oh he is teabagging him for ultimate humiliation dude Guy 1: Awesome dude! I got a kegger holding a party at Kev's house bro Camera Man: DUDEEE Can i come too brah? Guy 2: Would be AWESOME dude, totally chillin with the breeskies Guy 1: AWESOME MAN!
This show kind of painful when they try to be funny, but that segment with the hairless guy with glasses was good. I like hearing about real issues in the video game world.
On October 08 2010 08:07 Twistacles wrote: People actually take cod seriously? If it was counterstrike, maybe id care, but why are we talking about shitty shooters?
COD is pretty well made I think. I've only played MW for a few minutes and MW2 never but it was okay.
Here's some feedback, don't appreciate a hipster lecturing me about politics on a video game news show. Even the two hosts were like... wtf was that all about?
feel like i'm being suckered into watching a couple 'bro casters be notfunny to maybe see day9 talk about something for 5 minutes so they can up viewers.
Don't shut it off guys, just mute it and walk away but don't shut it off. When they are looking at their numbers tomorrow and a show with even a hint of SC has thousands more viewers than when there is nothing about SC, shit will change. Positive reactions work better than negative ones.
For the record, that was not Bruce Lee. It was a commercial based on his image, the yellow bodysuit + nunchucks, a common advertising theme cashing in on his fame after his untimely death. But the actor was not him. I know because I downloaded the documentary How Bruce Lee Changed the World. They talked all about that stuff.
Bruce lee thing was cool, even though it's about 3 years old now. Watching rock band is painful, but I gotta admit, i kinda want to try out the midi guitar. that would be cool if I could use it as a midi controller on in .. oh crap, Day 9!
That was pretty terrible, sorry. It feels like the 2v1 grudgematch team douche was casting. It needs to be waaaaaay tighter with less "funny" crap. The day9 segment felt a bit overly scripted, and the hosts seemed totally unfamiliar but unwilling to admit that. Not a fan, sorry.
Why people are saying how much they enjoy watching the viewer count to plummet? E-sports is e-sports even if it's not SC2. You don't need to like it or even watch it but why be happy about it.
As a feedback I could suggest more SC2 stuff ^^ I kinda hoped there would be more tonight :o
On October 08 2010 08:25 Antoine wrote: how do all of you not know what the halo and cod audience is
Now that's the good question. I see a great chism in the future of esport. Chase the FPS merchant out of our temple. (mandatory Day9 jesus photoshop, but it's kinda late here)
On October 08 2010 08:27 kilgr20 wrote: is it over already?
I think it's over for SC2 yea. I don't think TL community is the right place to look viewers if your show is mostly other games and minimal amount of SC2. I kinda enjoyed it but still. I'm guessing there will be a lot of people who will going to go "omg wtf" and to be fair it's 02.30 here so I wouldn't really stayed up this late if I would knew that the SC2 section is like 2 minutes.
On October 08 2010 08:26 Piski wrote: Why people are saying how much they enjoy watching the viewer count to plummet? E-sports is e-sports even if it's not SC2. You don't need to like it or even watch it but why be happy about it.
As a feedback I could suggest more SC2 stuff ^^ I kinda hoped there would be more tonight :o
Because this show is more akin to Entertainment Tonight or E-Star Daily than it is an Esports show
Shows like this which jump from one niche to another, are just diluting their appeal. Because these topics aren't appealing if you have no vested interest, it's best to have much longer sections devoted to each niche, with genuine presenters who have an interest in game, and advertise the sections individually. As this proves, people are willing to stay up to watch a segment about their game, just moving off to another topic is just throwing those viewers away.
The ones who want to watch are the ones who don't need introducing to the topic, they want depth, and can see through, and get mildly offended, when people show 'fake enthusiasm' for their hobby.
The report itself seems to have a good production value, but it seems as if the hosts are just trying to cater to an immature crowd. Some of the segments try for something a bit more serious, like the report on EA caving to censorship, but when it goes back to the hosts, they quickly make me want to stop watching by having nothing to say and quickly moving on to their usual routine.
The fact that they couldn't remember what Day9's show was named to announce it correctly afterward was also a bit annoying, but at least they remembered 3 countries where players were coming from (even if they didn't listen too carefully to know that Idra wasn't Korean, but has just been living there), and eventually did stumble into the correct name/address, and even the time (though not the timezone).
I enjoy playing probably half the games that they talk about, but I couldn't watch that show routinely if I had to suffer through the hosts to get to the actual content. Especially when the content is then followed up with a lame joke, like crayon drawings done by the hosts. I want to support pro-gaming in general where I can, but I don't hate myself enough to watch that show with any kind of regularity.
On October 08 2010 08:30 Koh wrote: Shows like this which jump from one niche to another, are just diluting their appeal. Because these topics aren't appealing if you have no vested interest, it's best to have much longer sections devoted to each niche, with genuine presenters who have an interest in game, and advertise the sections individually. As this proves, people are willing to stay up to watch a segment about their game, just moving off to another topic is just throwing those viewers away.
The ones who want to watch are the ones who don't need introducing to the topic, they want depth, and can see through, and get mildly offended, when people show 'fake enthusiasm' for their hobby.
This is how I wanted to word it. More in depth shows rather than a little bit of everything. I don't follow Halo much but if it was done by a person that played it competitively, knew his shit and talked about what excited him I would probably enjoy it.
First of all, MLG is about competitive gaming. As in, high level play. People don't care about casual games that just came out- (Gears of war, wtf?) they are interested in the PLAYERS. I don't give a shit about COD, but if you show me the teams, how theyre doing, maybe players and sick videos, I'd pay attention. Customizing guns? Who gives a fuck? Guitar Hero? Really?
On October 08 2010 08:33 BrodiaQ wrote: What was day9's segment mainly about? Anyone know where I will be able to find it or is it even worth it?
It's not worth it. He talked about what players are going to be competing at MLG and a little bit about their history. Nothing you didn't already know. He was talking for about 3 minutes.
Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Also just because more casual players bought Halo than Starcraft doesn't mean the competitve community is as passionate or as dedicated as the Starcraft Community. While Halo may have a larger userbase, Starcraft has a far larger user base that actually cares about e-sports and competition. Not to mention that Starcraft as an international audience...
There are plenty of specialized shows/forums/discussions for Starcraft. MLG is a representation of gaming as a whole. Not sure why everyone thinks they are going to do a super starcraft only show when they don't do that for any other game except Halo which is the game that got MLG started and has kept it going for 8 years.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
Let's all stereotype.
That's not why people are complaining. It's because this is just covering random shit that's coming out. We want to see and hear about the top teams, not how to customize guns.
I apologized to my internet connection for making it stream even a few minutes this garbage show. Not only was the content worthless, those two "bros" were annoying as fuck.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
Congratulations on insulting the entire site. I hope your stay on TL is brief.
On October 08 2010 08:36 ZlaSHeR wrote: Hmm, missed the day9 segment, anybody know what the viewer count was? cuz now that its 7:36 its at about 950.
1700 approximately.
Also, @RoyR, I think most of our qualms weren't with the fact that it wasn't about sc2 the whole time, but that it was sort of a variety show based around casual gaming / new games, rather than e-sports and competitive gaming.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
until mlg looks like this i see no validity to your argument
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Considering im probably better at you at starcraft and halo i really dont think you should talk? Pop my collar high enough? You starcraft kids need to understand how niche you are compared to actual console gaming and FPS in general. Also what the hell are you saying there not representing E Sports? You do know that the only reason Starcraft works in Korea is because of there uptight culture? MLG is doing the best thing possible making a mainstream appeal making it appeal to all people. And it seems to be working with there results and the amount of traffic they get on there forums (5 threads with 40000 replies one thread that before got locked had 500,000, pro team threads every 3 months that get 1 million views)
I thought the section regarding Starcaft2 was pretty entertaining and accurate, but there's been so much criticism just about the nationalities mentioned...
Idra lives in Korea, isn't that how we determine 'what' someone is? Its extremely hypocritical to put so much weight on the designation of Idra as "Korean" (unless they were talking about SeleCT anyway), at least when it comes from people from the US...a country formed of immigrants, that were not Germans, Chinese, English, etc. once they got here, they were members of the United States of America. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm unsure if Idra has Korean citizenship, but he has been there for 3 years, he eats, sleeps and breathes Starcraft, what else is more Korean?)
On October 08 2010 08:36 ZlaSHeR wrote: Hmm, missed the day9 segment, anybody know what the viewer count was? cuz now that its 7:36 its at about 950.
I think most of our qualms weren't with the fact that it wasn't about sc2 the whole time, but that it was sort of a variety show based around casual gaming / new games, rather than e-sports and competitive gaming.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it's supposed to be.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
Well, well, well.. don't you want to cause a shitstorm?
SC2 is small, sure. What's the price money for getting first place in any Halo tournament? I'm sure it's above 24k, that's comparable second place in the GSL.
On October 08 2010 08:38 Backpack wrote: There are plenty of specialized shows/forums/discussions for Starcraft. MLG is a representation of gaming as a whole. Not sure why everyone thinks they are going to do a super starcraft only show when they don't do that for any other game except Halo which is the game that got MLG started and has kept it going for 8 years.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
Mods must be asleep? Btw MLG: This is an example of one of the difficulties you're going to have getting into StarCraft broadcasting.. your crowd is all about looking cool or whatever else this show was about, whereas the people on this for example are interested in competition and global eSports... I wish you luck.. btw, Day9's segment was great, the rest could have easily been completely unrelated to video games at all, and could not be considered something about eSports.. I thought it might have something interesting when it shows some teams practicing for MLG but then the entire segment was about billiards and foosball
I'm really surprised at the user count for the production it had. I mean, put aside complaints (or compliments) about the personalities on there, it seemed really well made for only 1700 (and that's with the "Day[9] boost"). Where as Day[9] easily has more than double that on his worst day, and he's pretty much just a guy with a webcam.
I'm not going to kid myself and say "SC2 has the biggest community, that's why Day[9] is so popular." I'm sure other games have their Day[9]s and their Artosises (Artosi?). I would love a show with the production value of that Old Spice Report, but with non-obnoxious personalities on there, even from games I don't play. I listen to Live on Three every week, and only a portion of that is about StarCraft.
I'm just amazed at the quality of broadcast this was, yet the people on it were so annoying. I'm positive that the people on there is why their viewers are so low, not so much because of the content.
lmao whats with this royr guy? he just keeps digging this whole deeper and deeper.
you do realize, MLG came here to tl.net to ask us to watch their video, we did, we are now expressign our E-opinoins about their broadcast, If you cant handle it, dont tell starcraft players to watch. And definatley dont come in here telling us how to act and who to respect.
oh and, you "MLG PROS" need to understand how niche your little console pro scene is compared to the starcraft pro scene WORLDWIDE. Not to mention console games are still over 9000 years behind computer
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
I agree with your points regarding the mindless bashing on MLG. But do you honestly believe his post was in any way related to "some semblance of maturity"? If you think so, then read his second post.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Agreed, all this hate towards MLG is making me cringe. They don't have to pick up Starcraft 2 if they don't want to, they are massively successful and will continue to be so just based off Halo. You guys realise MLG read these topics that they make? Your comments aren't very encouraging to an organisation picking up a new game. Especially insulting Puckett, one of their most senior members of staff.
LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Considering im probably better at you at starcraft and halo i really dont think you should talk? Pop my collar high enough? You starcraft kids need to understand how niche you are compared to actual console gaming and FPS in general. Also what the hell are you saying there not representing E Sports? You do know that the only reason Starcraft works in Korea is because of there uptight culture? MLG is doing the best thing possible making a mainstream appeal making it appeal to all people. And it seems to be working with there results and the amount of traffic they get on there forums (5 threads with 40000 replies one thread that before got locked had 500,000, pro team threads every 3 months that get 1 million views)
So yea less elitism and arrogance please kthx
Sounds like generic xbox live talk huh, "im probably better at you at starcraft and halo i really dont think you should talk"
hmm, clearly you don't know teamliquid and you don't know how short your stay here will be.
"you starcraft kids" hmm, the starcraft community is much larger than the MLG community, you guys don't even exist outside of the USA, and Power gaming.
console gaming isn't even serious, you guys have MLG thats it, we have ESL, OGN, MBC, etc. FPS in general, that's cute since halo is a joke of an FPS in the eyes of real FPS gamers that play CS and Quake.
slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
I agree with your points regarding the mindless bashing on MLG. But do you honestly believe his post was in any way related to "some semblance of maturity"? If you think so, then read his second post.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Agreed, all this hate towards MLG is making me cringe. They don't have to pick up Starcraft 2 if they don't want to, they are massively successful and will continue to be so just based off Halo. You guys realise MLG read these topics that they make? Your comments aren't very encouraging to an organisation picking up a new game. Especially insulting Puckett, one of their most senior members of staff.
I dislike how RoyR is going about it though...
and yep.
I was referring to the broader MLG bashing from pages earlier, but I just saw RoyR's posts afterwards, his post count, his account creation date, and his x-box live 14 year old mannerisms.
I think we can all agree that MLG doesn't deserve the bashing, but their community does.
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
On October 08 2010 08:47 Z-R0E wrote: How often is this show on? Daily? Weekly?
I'm really surprised at the user count for the production it had. I mean, put aside complaints (or compliments) about the personalities on there, it seemed really well made for only 1700 (and that's with the "Day[9] boost"). Where as Day[9] easily has more than double that on his worst day, and he's pretty much just a guy with a webcam.
I'm not going to kid myself and say "SC2 has the biggest community, that's why Day[9] is so popular." I'm sure other games have their Day[9]s and their Artosises (Artosi?). I would love a show with the production value of that Old Spice Report, but with non-obnoxious personalities on there, even from games I don't play. I listen to Live on Three every week, and only a portion of that is about StarCraft.
I'm just amazed at the quality of broadcast this was, yet the people on it were so annoying. I'm positive that the people on there is why their viewers are so low, not so much because of the content.
I agree with you - why can't capitalism work here?
You have a show with great production values but low viewership.
There's a guy with low production budget (he even told us he overdrew his account) with tons of viewers both INSIDE and OUTSIDE the starcraft community.
You control who hosts your show....
Why is this so difficult to figure out? I don't get why there are companies pumping money into making good productions but not putting the money into the hands of the most popular personalities..
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing poop out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
I love MLG because of their support for SC2, but that doesn't mean I have to love the hosts for their show. My constructive feedback is that if they do a Starcraft segment, keep those guys away from it. I don't think their personalities and demeanor fit well with the Starcraft community. They were very off-putting and remind me of the sort of people I purposely avoid IRL.
In short, thanks MLG for your tournament, but I hated the hosts for this show. Just not appealing to a guy like me.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
to be fair the #s don't tell the story.... Seoul allowed as many people as could sign up, to show up as far as I know. Also there were a lot of no shows and byes.
MLG restricts the # of people to how many can get tickets.. teams don't go cause they can't get a ticket(not saying these are good teams, just average joes)
But in the open ques in Seoul there were a LOT of bad players, ask those that attended, some of the brackets were EXTREMELY easy, some were difficult.
Starcraft still has a much much much much much larger following and larger player base as far as I'm concerned though, also overall a better game(coming from someone who has never played a sc2 or bw event, but have entered and competed in lots of local halo events, as well as 6 MLG events)
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
more like 5am-8am, and some nights there were 10,000 people watching in each re-stream channel, I can only imagine how many watched in the real stream lol.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
lol some console scrub is butthurt.
You clearly didn't pop your collar high enough this morning.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
So to put it in more delicate way: dear MLG, if you market SC2 like that, you will badly fail. TLers and such don't care about your brah commentators. RoyR and xboxlive "people" won't dig nerd in his room with croked glasses. Please reconsider for your own good.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned.
Voicing their opinions in (mostly) mature ways is what forums are for, bosef.
Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market.
I'm quite sure most of the posters understand that. I do. But speaking strictly by numbers, the SC2 portion was well over 1/3rd of your total viewership for that episode, and therefore their opinions should merit your interest.
Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Hey brah, I hear that the average SC player is still in high school. did you know that dude?
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain.
Maybe you should (as a PR guy) not alienate the community of a game which you're looking to pick up in a serious way for your tournaments.
As it stands, SC:BW as an esport overshadows MLG. you should learn your place.
I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming.
Hey brah, maybe you didn't know, but the world doesen't end at the east coast.
Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining,
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
more like 5am-8am, and some nights there were 10,000 people watching in each re-stream channel, I can only imagine how many watched in the real stream lol.
Well 2-5 if you get up right at the start like me. If you come late you miss Artosis.
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
A certain JP McDaniel would probably dispute that opinion. Y'know, that guy who works for MLG? He's repeatedly mentioned how retarded a large portion of the Halo fanbase is while he's been impressed with how mannered the Starcraft one is. Go figure.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
That still doesn't add up to 2k and Halo is a team game requiring four people.
HMMMMM lets break down this post..... 1024+200+10000= 11224! From what i have learned 11,224 > 2,000...... Also your point on that halo game is a team game? Well no duh? It still has 1024 people coming to there events to PLAY halo so i dont get what your point is?
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
Kid, stop. I played Counter-Strike for 10 years alongside 4 other teammates, it didn't make me any more OR less popular. Many pro scbw and sc2 teams live together and practice together, it doesn't make them any more or less popular. What xbox live does, however, is churn out ignorant douchebags like yourself.
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
On October 08 2010 08:26 Piski wrote: Why people are saying how much they enjoy watching the viewer count to plummet? E-sports is e-sports even if it's not SC2. You don't need to like it or even watch it but why be happy about it.
As a feedback I could suggest more SC2 stuff ^^ I kinda hoped there would be more tonight :o
That's like saying Soccer, Baseball, Hockey, running, swimming, rowing, etc. are all sports. Sure they're sports but that doesn't mean you'll see a Football fan happy when a sports show talks about Badminton or Table Tennis.
Some people want all esports to grow (like djwheat) but most people only care about a few games that they find entertaining to watch.
I don't care about the viewers plummeting but there's no way I would watch OSR again even if it was purely SC2 because those hosts are TERRIBLE. If I wanted that kind of commentary I would bring a keg to a frat house and chillax with some brahs. Get people who actually know what they're talking about and who CARE about it if you want an audience. Hiring a pretty face for the camera is not what gamers want to watch unless maybe it has tits too and is only serving a supporting role.
wait wait, I get it, If were gonna communicate with them, we need to speak their language so here goes:
Yo my Brahs at MLG, Whats Cracking Mofos???? I'm tryin ta holler about this video y'all told us stupid starcraft computer newbs to watch. Man, Dat Shit was so Whack, They don't even talk about starcraft long. Dat shit was likez, aww man, a 20 minute Gamestop Magazine advertisment. Y'all only talked about each game for like 1 minute, didnt talk about any of da spec-if-iiikz brah. Y'all need to get REAL DEEP into it Ya'kno? We want to hear about new shit, that we dont alrdy know. If I'm gonna spend time On da Interwebz Watching videos about games, I'm prob a pretty big nerd, who already knows the basikzz. So Give me da info dat I REALLY WANT, insider shiz, ya dig? 3 minutes about who is gonna show up too MLG........U DIDNT EVEN TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THE GAME, You guys claim to be a competitive gaming web-site, yet half of your content was about Wii Games and rock band..
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
edit: btw my ps3 mw2 gaming team is in top 100 MLG is a great console ladder..
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
Honestly the way MLG covers the tournaments sometimes disappoints me, but it's overall not bad at all and I'd tune in everytime. But this show was just something I'd avoid instantly, it was something as people said above to show gamers as "cool guys" and the lack of knowledge about the stars would certainly upset the fans.
Calling IdrA Korean is probably as horrible as a sports news reporter referring to Lionel Messi as a football player from Brazil.
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
How am i troll? Look at IdrA, Artosis, QXC or any top name foreigner pro. They've all admitted that there social lifes arn't stellar and its apparent. You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing poop out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
Frankly, this guy is lucky he's escaped the mods for this long.
TL is full of fans that have been following this game for up to 12 years now, this community isn't going to change so rather than TL being happy that MLG is throwing us a bone, MLG is going to have to realize they have a ton of people watching their shit but they are getting a community that doesn't give a damn and will say so.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
That still doesn't add up to 2k and Halo is a team game requiring four people.
HMMMMM lets break down this post..... 1024+200+10000= 11224! From what i have learned 11,224 > 2,000...... Also your point on that halo game is a team game? Well no duh? It still has 1024 people coming to there events to PLAY halo so i dont get what your point is?
Uh, why are you adding in the spectators and the players from other games. He said 2k players went to go play starcraft 2 for the gsl qualifiers, 2k sc2 players > 1024 halo players.
On October 08 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote: console gaming isn't even serious, you guys have MLG thats it, we have ESL, OGN, MBC, etc. FPS in general, that's cute since halo is a joke of an FPS in the eyes of real FPS gamers that play CS and Quake.
Don't be so hypocritical man, your last post all about how MLG is doing great work for SC and how they are good company for discussing with their clients so much, and how they listen to their audience, etc.
Than here you you go ahead and just take a huge shit on them, everything starts small, MLG has succeeded where a lot of other gaming companies have failed in America. They've gotten past the initial stages and they are starting to truly expand.
I don't want to start a console war, but you can't just say console gaming isn't serious. That is such an elitist attitude, which I see a lot of in this thread. I play a lot of PC games and I also play my xbox a lot as well. They both have merits, someone saying that a PC game is better just because it's on the PC is just being an elitist prick. There are plenty of competitive games on console, a large majority of people on MLG will agree with you that halo 3 doesn't have a very high skill gap, which is true, but it's still a very competitive game because it's all about teamwork and working together and how well you can do that. The previous halo games were more individually competitive and required a lot more skill to play a top level but they are all competitive games in a sense. CS, and Quake are both super competitive titles but saying that halo is a joke to them is once again an elitist attitude because they are different style of games that share the FPS genre.
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
How am i troll? Look at IdrA, Artosis, QXC or any top name foreigner pro. They've all admitted that there social lifes arn't stellar and its apparent. You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
Where did we complain about the show not being 100% starcraft? We were complaining about how false and akward the hosts act and how unprofessional and boring the non-gaming segments were.
Then you come here trying to make MLG look like victims and how they are the angels of SC2 when thats not even what we're complaining about. Then you take a giant dump on the entire SC community like saying we have no lives and therefor are unable to appreciate shitty entertainment, wait what?
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
LOL. Considering MLG has gotten 1 million views FROM HALO livestream views from one event i think you need to get your facts straight buddy. Also how about instead of dodging all my arguments and making up facts how bout you actually discuss? Obviously my grammar and sentence structure isn't perfect, but i obviously didn't understand that i have to type perfect sentences on a video game forum.... Also where did i say ANYTHING ABOUT HALO? I talked about there intended audiences and that is it? I haven't said jack shit about anything regarding EITHER GAME. So again instead of making up facts and stereotyping how about you actually not dodge my arguement?
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
How am i troll? Look at IdrA, Artosis, QXC or any top name foreigner pro. They've all admitted that there social lifes arn't stellar and its apparent. You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
point made with a cute korean smile, i get extra karma.
Tastless' GF. Examples are numerous but they are less Plottian.
Where did we complain about the show not being 100% starcraft? We were complaining about how false and akward the hosts act and how unprofessional and boring the non-gaming segments were.
Then you come here trying to make MLG look like victims and how they are the angels of SC2 when thats not even what we're complaining about. Then you take a giant dump on the entire SC community like saying we have no lives and therefor are unable to appreciate shitty entertainment, wait what?
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
How am i troll? Look at IdrA, Artosis, QXC or any top name foreigner pro. They've all admitted that there social lifes arn't stellar and its apparent. You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
Where did we complain about the show not being 100% starcraft? We were complaining about how false and akward the hosts act and how unprofessional and boring the non-gaming segments were.
Then you come here trying to make MLG look like victims and how they are the angels of SC2 when thats not even what we're complaining about. Then you take a giant dump on the entire SC community like saying we have no lives and therefor are unable to appreciate shitty entertainment, wait what?
Look at every single post on the first 10 pages....... Im not even gonna quote everything.... Also these hosts are too brah for you? Really wanna experience what your high school and college life was like. I mean seriously have you even met anyone who has played lacrosse, football, or basketball before? Jesus christ.. Seriously THIS IS A CASUAL GAMING SHOW! GET THAT IN YOUR HEADS! Also btw Pucket and Shibby have been the lead commentators for Halo since 2004 so know who your talking about. Too be honest since im not an uptight douche i'm fine with what job there doing.....
I just really wish that MLG would put on a well produced e-sports show closer to Live on Three than what this thing was. The more I think about "What if the Lo3 crew had the resources of MLG and that kind of production value..." the more I wish it were true. I have no problem with StarCraft only being a short bit on there, but what I definitely don't want to hear is "Oh my god bro! I can't wait for Gears of War 3, yeah!" Even if you want to talk Halo, talk about the teams. Talk about who is expected to do well there, or recent upsets. You can talk about non-SC games and get a lot of TL's attention, even console games, it's much more a matter of how.
No one here wants to listen to someone like Royr talk about any thing, even StarCraft.
Edit: Also, if Royr has actually graduated... any thing, his English teachers should be fired.
Good production values. Really good production values and editing, actually. Very nicely done. Commentators are excellent at going back and forth between scripted dialog like the into to Day[9]'s segment and banter.
That said, their banter was pretty annoying and not particularly entertaining and the show just didn't interest me very much. A more in-depth show with a focus on analysis would probably be much more entertaining to watch. News is cool, but it's pretty easy to get news by skimming forums or blogs. I tune in to TV shows for personalities. Day[9] is actually a great example - his segment was a brief overview of the players at MLG with a little bit of an analysis of why they're good, well-scripted and showing some (mostly) relevant footage.
Wouldn't watch the show normally, would consider watching other shows with similar production value and a different focus.
Seriously THIS IS A CASUAL GAMING SHOW! GET THAT IN YOUR HEADS!
I know a lot of casual gamers, and few of them act anything like the commentators.
No one is obligated to like the show because it has a different audience. No one is obligated to praise the show because they made a tiny outreach. If they keep putting on Starcraft content like this, the Starcraft content is going to bomb. Don't you think that's useful feedback for them?
The guys at MLG are probably mature professionals who aren't going to be offended by things said on an internet forum, no need for the tension in this thread. I think people can learn a lot from Day9 in terms of making an entertaining show, because as someone who's been playing SC2 for only six weeks, I'm completely hooked on Day9's enthusiasm for his game, and it is him alone really that made me want to play better, he is pure gold in terms of accessing the Starcraft 2 community and gamers in general, and I hope that doesn't sound too cynical.
I'd watch segments of a show like this if it was along the lines of seeing a professional gamer do what he does best. People like seeing people excel at something, no matter what that is - I'd watch someone knit if they were the best knitter in the world.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:53 Bowdy wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
I'm Zlasher not Slasher
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:57 awha wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
LOL. Considering MLG has gotten 1 million views FROM HALO livestream views from one event i think you need to get your facts straight buddy. Also how about instead of dodging all my arguments and making up facts how bout you actually discuss? Obviously my grammar and sentence structure isn't perfect, but i obviously didn't understand that i have to type perfect sentences on a video game forum.... Also where did i say ANYTHING ABOUT HALO? I talked about there intended audiences and that is it? I haven't said jack shit about anything regarding EITHER GAME. So again instead of making up facts and stereotyping how about you actually not dodge my arguement?
Wait, you're saying a Halo event had 1 million viewers watching the stream? Can you backup that statement please, because this is the first I've heard of it and I've been follow Halo and MLG since 2005.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:53 Bowdy wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
I'm Zlasher not Slasher
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:57 awha wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
LOL. Considering MLG has gotten 1 million views FROM HALO livestream views from one event i think you need to get your facts straight buddy. Also how about instead of dodging all my arguments and making up facts how bout you actually discuss? Obviously my grammar and sentence structure isn't perfect, but i obviously didn't understand that i have to type perfect sentences on a video game forum.... Also where did i say ANYTHING ABOUT HALO? I talked about there intended audiences and that is it? I haven't said jack shit about anything regarding EITHER GAME. So again instead of making up facts and stereotyping how about you actually not dodge my arguement?
Those stats aren't made up.. they are straight from MLG. They said themselves the sc2 steam had more views than the halo stream.
On October 08 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote: console gaming isn't even serious, you guys have MLG thats it, we have ESL, OGN, MBC, etc. FPS in general, that's cute since halo is a joke of an FPS in the eyes of real FPS gamers that play CS and Quake.
Don't be so hypocritical man, your last post all about how MLG is doing great work for SC and how they are good company for discussing with their clients so much, and how they listen to their audience, etc.
Than here you you go ahead and just take a huge shit on them, everything starts small, MLG has succeeded where a lot of other gaming companies have failed in America. They've gotten past the initial stages and they are starting to truly expand.
I don't want to start a console war, but you can't just say console gaming isn't serious. That is such an elitist attitude, which I see a lot of in this thread. I play a lot of PC games and I also play my xbox a lot as well. They both have merits, someone saying that a PC game is better just because it's on the PC is just being an elitist prick. There are plenty of competitive games on console, a large majority of people on MLG will agree with you that halo 3 doesn't have a very high skill gap, which is true, but it's still a very competitive game because it's all about teamwork and working together and how well you can do that. The previous halo games were more individually competitive and required a lot more skill to play a top level but they are all competitive games in a sense. CS, and Quake are both super competitive titles but saying that halo is a joke to them is once again an elitist attitude because they are different style of games that share the FPS genre.
Don't know if you read what I was saying. I am saying we shouldn't shred them aimlessly for their commentators that are doing HALO, when its not MLG's fault, it is the halo communities fault.
My point is that don't say halo is gigantic because they have MLG behind them, and then take a shit on SC2's backing when all the largest gaming leagues and orgs in the world have starcraft, not halo. Check WCG, IEM (nationals and globals), and the tons of other leagues going around everywhere.
Check Live On Three, halo news is not news.
Counterstrike 1.6 news is news, as is Quake, as is Starcraft BW as well as SC2.
On October 08 2010 08:59 RoyR wrote: You cannot at all say that Starcraft is a more social game than Halo.... Also im just saying if your gonna talk shit for about 10 pages of useless complaining about how it isn't all Starcraft im gonna call you out on it...
Im not saying anything about one game being more social than the other mate, you are. I just dont understand/support your hostile attitude. That is all.
edit: To OP: sorry for the derail. I found the show pretty enjoyable and the professional production seemed really solid. Biased as we (sc2 fanboys) are, dont take the critique too harsh
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing poop out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
hehehe. RoyR, when your beloved halo competitions get worldwide viewership like Starcraft and Starcraft 2 does (and maybe after a few more years of maturity), come back here and make better points so people can take you seriously.
On October 08 2010 08:43 kirkybaby wrote: 1024 is impressive? over 2k showed up in seoul to try for gsl last month. just food for thought.
1024 players for halo........... 200 players for ssbb and tekken and WoW..... Probably over 10,000 spectators for all 3 days...
You get more than 10k viewers a NIGHT watching GSL and it's on at 2-5am in the US. I know you want to argue using big numbers but you literally cannot win this.
Yep, btw thats 10k viewers a night per restream, not including the other tens of thousands watching it directly through gom
and thats also not including the fact that its just during a RO64 matchup, and THATS not including the fact that its 2-5 AM on the west coast....5-8 on the east
On October 08 2010 08:53 Bowdy wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:51 Bowdy wrote: slasher I've always loved you but that royr guy deserves any hate he gets. Read his posts, he calls us ignorant LOL. I appreciate what MLG is trying to do, but quite frankly, esports tourneys have competition again. I don't see a problem with the community clinging to the one that delivers the most, and right now MLG is not ahead of the competition as far as SC2 is concerned. That's just my opinion, I didn't watch the OSR show, I just read royrs posts and died a little inside.
Reread my edit in and my two posts since then ^_^
LOL I did that as soon as I got done posting, then I saw this post. I take it all back! I still <3 you long live QL!
I'm Zlasher not Slasher
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
The more you hear him talk the more he sounds like yet another 14 year old on xbox live. No arguments, no facts, no legitimate claims made, just LOL YOU SOUND LIKE SOMETHINGS OUT UR BUTT WOCKAWOCKAWOCKA SOOOO FUNNY LOL I'M BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERY GAME AND HALO IS THE BEST EVEN THO NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE USA TAKES IT SRSLY LOLOL
PS: RoyR did you know that MLG got 15k viewers to watch Halo 3 during MLG Raleigh?
PPS: Did you know that MLG got 44k viewers watching Starcraft 2 during MLG Raleigh?
On October 08 2010 08:57 awha wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:53 RoyR wrote:
On October 08 2010 08:48 Neoattitude wrote: LOL at RoyR. RoyR's arguement about console gaming : His Argument about PC gaming :: American football to USA : American football to the rest of the world.
Lol at neoattitude. Neoattitudes argument about having a discussion: Throwing shit out of his but hole and make them appear like i said anything of the sort..... I've talked about user base and haven't said anything about the respective systems or game.... Also in my opinion there is no question that in general console players in general are more "popular" (i know bad term etc etc) then Starcraft gamers considering the nature of the games. When you have a PURE 1V1 GAME where you have to practice hours on end compared to a team game of 4v4 where people LAN to get better and in general have to only spend 3 hours a day (natural talent) its obvious which people in general are gonna have what lifestyle...
this has to be a troll .. god I hope this is a troll
Trolls do it on purpose, this guy is dead serious.
LOL. Considering MLG has gotten 1 million views FROM HALO livestream views from one event i think you need to get your facts straight buddy. Also how about instead of dodging all my arguments and making up facts how bout you actually discuss? Obviously my grammar and sentence structure isn't perfect, but i obviously didn't understand that i have to type perfect sentences on a video game forum.... Also where did i say ANYTHING ABOUT HALO? I talked about there intended audiences and that is it? I haven't said jack shit about anything regarding EITHER GAME. So again instead of making up facts and stereotyping how about you actually not dodge my arguement?
they've never gotten 1 million views.
You didn't make any arguments, you've been rambling. You're doing it again.
Oh he got banned already, nevermind making a decent reply to him then.
Just don't call out people for having different opinions than yours and then not back it up with any real argument, they made a fucking post on here asking for our opinions, ofcourse we're gonna say what we think.
No need to pull out personal insults because you disagree.
On October 08 2010 09:13 Aurra wrote: The video game I play to entertain myself is better than the video game you play to entertain yourself.
It's the best way to make console players angry, just substitute anything they play with a similar game but a keyboard. I guess he's gone though, so oh well.
Not to take a side in this, but the discussion about how many views a game or event brings in is making me giggle. I brought in more than 3 million views solo, and my first time streaming broke 2,000 viewers, with an average view time of 30 minutes per person.
On October 08 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote: console gaming isn't even serious, you guys have MLG thats it, we have ESL, OGN, MBC, etc. FPS in general, that's cute since halo is a joke of an FPS in the eyes of real FPS gamers that play CS and Quake.
Don't be so hypocritical man, your last post all about how MLG is doing great work for SC and how they are good company for discussing with their clients so much, and how they listen to their audience, etc.
Than here you you go ahead and just take a huge shit on them, everything starts small, MLG has succeeded where a lot of other gaming companies have failed in America. They've gotten past the initial stages and they are starting to truly expand.
I don't want to start a console war, but you can't just say console gaming isn't serious. That is such an elitist attitude, which I see a lot of in this thread. I play a lot of PC games and I also play my xbox a lot as well. They both have merits, someone saying that a PC game is better just because it's on the PC is just being an elitist prick. There are plenty of competitive games on console, a large majority of people on MLG will agree with you that halo 3 doesn't have a very high skill gap, which is true, but it's still a very competitive game because it's all about teamwork and working together and how well you can do that. The previous halo games were more individually competitive and required a lot more skill to play a top level but they are all competitive games in a sense. CS, and Quake are both super competitive titles but saying that halo is a joke to them is once again an elitist attitude because they are different style of games that share the FPS genre.
Don't know if you read what I was saying. I am saying we shouldn't shred them aimlessly for their commentators that are doing HALO, when its not MLG's fault, it is the halo communities fault.
My point is that don't say halo is gigantic because they have MLG behind them, and then take a shit on SC2's backing when all the largest gaming leagues and orgs in the world have starcraft, not halo. Check WCG, IEM (nationals and globals), and the tons of other leagues going around everywhere.
Check Live On Three, halo news is not news.
Counterstrike 1.6 news is news, as is Quake, as is Starcraft BW as well as SC2.
I'm not saying that halo is huge, because I know it isn't, it's a very niche game, but MLG has done a great job expanding and growing around pretty much only halo and now they are trying to expand to other things which will be difficult because Halo is a very different game from any of the really big competitive games.
I just get so tilted when I see so many elitist comments dumping all over console gaming because it's not nearly as developed as PC gaming, which it shouldn't be because it's far behind PC gaming, but it has it's own merits.
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard.
On October 08 2010 09:21 Buddhist wrote: Not to take a side in this, but the discussion about how many views a game or event brings in is making me giggle. I brought in more than 3 million views solo, and my first time streaming broke 2,000 viewers, with an average view time of 30 minutes per person.
I will echo some earlier sentiments. Show seemed a bit unfocused with a lot of fluff. Even the SC2 section felt short on substance. I really wouldn't watch this kind of content with games I don't particularly follow unless it's formatted like sports center, more focused on news and results.
I mean the segment on Halo players is fine, I don't really mind it, but it really feels like it should be structured differently.
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard.
Their goofy is not Day9's goofy. I'm sure their sense of humor is appealing to some people, but to me and quite a few others in this thread, they were the opposite of entertaining.
[QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:24 MattTBK wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:09 ZlaSHeR wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:02 MattTBK wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote: snip
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard. [/QUOTE]
Day9's comedy is mixed in with his incredibly high level analysis and overall probably the most objective viewpoint of anyone streaming that I've ever seen. He has the years of experience to back up whatever he says, that's why people watch him.. If he ONLY joked, he wouldn't be so popular IMO.
The hosts on the show didn't seem to back up anything they were saying (by the way, what were they saying anyway, besides calling IdrA korean and talking about peppers and wearing costumes?)
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard.
Their goofy is not Day9's goofy. I'm sure their sense of humor is appealing to some people, but to me and quite a few others in this thread, they were the opposite of entertaining.
I'm so sorry, drawing pictures with crayons as a joke is so much worse than rehashing bad 4chan memes.
[QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:29 BladeRunner wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:24 MattTBK wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:09 ZlaSHeR wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 09:02 MattTBK wrote: [QUOTE]On October 08 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote: snip
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard. [/QUOTE]
Day9's comedy is mixed in with his incredibly high level analysis and overall probably the most objective viewpoint of anyone streaming that I've ever seen. He has the years of experience to back up whatever he says, that's why people watch him.. If he ONLY joked, he wouldn't be so popular IMO.
The hosts on the show didn't seem to back up anything they were saying (by the way, what were they saying anyway, besides calling IdrA korean and talking about peppers and wearing costumes?)[/QUOTE]
The problem with what your doing is judging from one 30 minute show, if you watch the halo commentary and list to christ puckett he does the same thing. I will agree that the show is very unfocused and they just don't have the chance to do the same as day where he has a whole hour that's completely focused on one thing.
Also I find it funny, how people are completely disregarding the quality of hosts because they are being goofy, when one of the biggest SC2 representatives in the states is a guy who does a daily show where he acts completely goofy. It's the worst sort of a double standard.
Their goofy is not Day9's goofy. I'm sure their sense of humor is appealing to some people, but to me and quite a few others in this thread, they were the opposite of entertaining.
I'm so sorry, drawing pictures with crayons as a joke is so much worse than rehashing bad 4chan memes.
Let's not start this. I like Day9's humor. I can see how people would like those two guys' humor, but I don't. Trying to argue objectively over humor is like trying to argue objectively that vanilla is better than chocolate. It's personal preference. However, it seems like most people on TL prefer Day9's humor to the hosts. That's why we're complaining, because they don't seem to mesh well with many people SC2 community.
On October 08 2010 09:34 MattTBK wrote: The problem with what your doing is judging from one 30 minute show, if you watch the halo commentary and list to christ puckett he does the same thing. I will agree that the show is very unfocused and they just don't have the chance to do the same as day where he has a whole hour that's completely focused on one thing.
Well that's the final advice for MLG then: don't take time from your brah's console broing commentating for SC2, just give Day9 the same amount of cash for production value, glasses fixing, tshirts and pedobear drinks. We'll all be happy and praise your name.
Here's a feedback from a casual SC2 player (high platinum, a couple games a day on average). I watched almost every game at MLG Raleigh, and bought a season ticket for GSL.
I remember watching an episode of OSR during MLG Raleigh and I got the same feeling about the hosts. They seem a little fake and awkward. I can't really hold this against them though, as the only esports host I've ever seen who always seems to act natural and comfortable while also being entertaining and charismatic is djWHEAT. I think your two guys did a fine job and were completely watchable, though I can't claim to be impressed.
The only piece of content I enjoyed other than the SC2 section with Day[9] was the bit about the Medal of Honour censorship, though I haven't played a MoH game in years and don't plan to play this next one. Whether you agreed with him or not, it was obvious that your reporter really cared about what he was saying, and I respected that he took a firm stance on a controversial issue in gaming. It was a serious and interesting segment, and I was disappointed that the hosts didn't seem to have any idea how to respond, and went immediately back to their grinning, casual, 'let's hang out and play some video games, man' attitude.
My mind wandered through all the other segments, so I don't really remember what they were about (a preview of customization for some game, some game's release was postponed, some random people playing Rock Band, and did they answer some twitter questions or am I imagining that?) but obviously none of them held my interest. I intended to watch the show all the way through in case another interesting segment came on, but ended up closing it a few minutes after Day[9]'s preview of MLG DC. I really liked the editing in that preview by the way, where clips of each player showed up as he was talking about them. Very suave.
I guess I'm hinting that I would appreciate a more serious take on gaming. It doesn't have to be Starcraft, and it doesn't have to be esports. Just people taking their games seriously. I know Rock Band 3 is coming out and I know it's going to be fun. I don't need to see some random people having fun playing it. Surely there's something more engaging to be said about it.
While I don't agree with RoyR's sentiments, I agree that almost everyone posting in this thread deserves a warning. The sheer immaturity displayed in the earlier posts is an embarrassment to the merit of this community and Teamliquid.
The show clearly wasn't marketed to the high level standard that Starcraft is set to. People need to realize that acting elitist when something isn't completely 100% devoted to starcraft is a surefire way to turn people and potential viewers away from the community and is counterproductive to the cause of esports as a whole.
Protip: Treating the people dropping thousands of dollars on you're game like shit is not a good way to show your support for their involvement in the community.
Seriously? MLG has done the SC community and TL a justice in their ability to connect with our members and allow for us to ask them open questions HERE ON TEAMLIQUID and you're going to give them this much shit about a show that they do for free as a service? Then you're going to call people who have some semblance of maturity a butthurt console scrub?
These guys are giving out 7000+ a tournament for SC2, thats the biggest prize pool outside of IEM and GSL, and now you guys are going to talk like this to them?
Heads up, give constructive feedback at the very least, I'm amazed that you guys can run around here on TL talking to these employees and executives of MLG, who are targetting THEIR audience which is the MLG community. They put Day[9] on the show to give us a share, especially since Day[9] has appeal to everyone, maybe even expanding some of their MLG community into the starcraft 2 community moreso.
But are you guys SERIOUSLY going to give them shit like this post above for a service that MLG does for everyone?
Edit: Although to be fair, that RoyR guy is even worse, when he doesn't know a thing about Starcraft and talks like that.
Yeah I agree, as much as I don't like their show and find it embarrassing (for them) that they obviously know nothing about StarCraft 2 even though it is on their show, most of the people on this thread are simply being too negative and close minded. At least give some constructive criticism and show that the StarCraft 2 community can really make a contribution to MLG's community which will only benefit esports as a whole.
Anyways I'm glad that StarCraft 2 is being recognized by other communities. Maybe we can show the console community what esports is all about... because going by their show... clearly they don't know :p
any chance of getting a vod? just for the record, i live in europe, and day9's dailies are broadcasted at 04am, and yet ALL my friends (not IRL) I have on sc2 (about 30ish or so) know who day9 is, and have watched alot of his stuff. just sayin'.. there are a couple of 100k sc2 players in europe who wanna see this on a vod ^^
The event is already over, the VOD will be posted within 24 hours on MLGPro.com like all other Old Spice Reports, and the thread has derailed into a Halo vs SC2 flamefest.
On October 08 2010 08:35 RoyR wrote: Every single person complaining in this thread should be atleast be warned. Do any of you ignorant kids understand that MLG's main game is NOT starcraft 2? MLG is a console based league with interest in expanding to the PC market. Obviously appealing to the basement dwelling nerds and 30+ year audience of Starcraft is different compared to the actual Jocky and outgoing console gamers who are much more into culture and alot more outgoing.
Seriously learn your place in MLG and don't complain. I know its hard concept to get ahold of but starcraft is not a big game AT ALL compared to console gaming. Once you can get 1024 people signing up for a live tournament event and a following of a million console gamers you can start complaining, but for now stop being arrogant pricks~
You realize that the wow arena gets most of the stream viewing out of all their events, sometimes it is over half their views, just not much sponsorship money that way.
On October 08 2010 05:07 MLG_Rben wrote: After watching the show, I would love to get some feedback from the community here at TL about what other features or segments we could include, specifically SC2 centric content that you would be interested in watching.
Thanks, Ben
Alright, I'll give it a shot.
I most cases, the more starcraft 2 exposure the better, but I think you guys may have missed the mark a bit with your integration of Starcraft 2 into your competitive gaming lineup.
Starcraft may encompass reflexes and clever on-the-spot tactics like other games, but in the grand scheme of things I believe it to be a far more cerebral and complex game than anything else running at MLG. I feel you guys would do well to recognize this. Lumping this strategy game in amongst games that are either entirely reflex/tactic dependent or expected to have a four month life span isn't going to really resonate. Starcraft has an entirely different audience.
The show hosts clearly aren't familiar with the starcraft scene and perhaps wouldn't even know how to play the game, but they shouldn't be trying to pretend they are/would. It's not something a person can fake, no matter how much makeup they have on or how well they've rehearsed their lines. The starcraft fans will recognize this and become resentful.
I know the ball is just starting to get rolling with SC2 at MLG so it would be unfair to expect instantaneous success in all facets of Starcraft 2 related areas. As one of the forerunners for Starcraft 2 in North America, I assure you the majority of the starcraft scene is thankful for the work you guys do at MLG. They just might not like being strung along and forced to watch 10 minutes of flat unthoughtful verbal diarrhea about things they have no interest in to get 180 seconds of rehearsed and rehashed hype for an event they already knew everything about (which is why a lot of these responses in this thread might be overly negative).
In other words, if you are looking to add more starcraft related segments, as you mentioned, I would suggest ensuring that content is in-depth, thoughtful, and suited for the audience.
We are all thankful for what MLG is doing for SC2. But lets put it this way. I will not pay any attention at all if you have people talking about starcraft and commentating games that have no idea what they are talking about. I am sure it works the same in the halo community. If you want SC to pickup you will *need* people like day9 who does not only have a great personality but also have an AMAZING amount of knowledge in SC2.
I would suggest looking to pickup people that have an incredible amount of starcraft knowledge before picking up just any caster. They will be able to explain what is going on the best.
On October 08 2010 14:43 n0xi3 wrote: Reiterating what SiguR said..
We are all thankful for what MLG is doing for SC2. But lets put it this way. I will not pay any attention at all if you have people talking about starcraft and commentating games that have no idea what they are talking about. I am sure it works the same in the halo community. If you want SC to pickup you will *need* people like day9 who does not only have a great personality but also have an AMAZING amount of knowledge in SC2.
I would suggest looking to pickup people that have an incredible amount of starcraft knowledge before picking up just any caster. They will be able to explain what is going on the best.
I think they've got the casting spot on with JP + Day9...
I think they're asking for feedback on the SC2 inclusion in the show, but I must say, the treatment for the games in the show had.. nothing to do with the games, so I'm not sure what to suggest? Everybody enjoys player interviews, but it seems like you guys would probably ask them something completely unrelated to the game heh..
but yeah, criticisms aside, MLG is working hard and I'm hopeful that when the response continues to increase they'll adjust accordingly.
On October 08 2010 15:04 tyrless wrote: you really need DJWheat involved in these types of events, he's the perfect middle man who can build bridges between e-sports communities
I don't think they should get a bunch of super nerds on stream because that's bad marketting for the US. Watching annoying frat boys talk about casual games isn't much better though, especially when they try too hard to make it seem cool. Would be nice to see some regular dudes with a passion for e-sports talking about teams and game recaps, maybe talking about some tactics to watch out for and things to look foward to in DC, interviews with players shit like that. Look to real sports for inspiration, that works for SC. Casual game previews don't do much for me.
It seems putting Halo and SC2 on the same set will always cause problems. It's like Justin Bieber supporting the Foo Fighters. I.e. It doesn't matter how many people like Justin Bieber, he sucks and the Foo Fighters are a million times better.
On October 08 2010 16:08 Klive5ive wrote: It seems putting Halo and SC2 on the same set will always cause problems. It's like Justin Bieber supporting the Foo Fighters. I.e. It doesn't matter how many people like Justin Bieber, he sucks and the Foo Fighters are a million times better.
On October 08 2010 12:23 applejuice wrote: These "brah" / "bro" comments are just plain ridiculous.
I would just like to echo existing posts: Is there really no moderation here?
Why are they ridiculous?
They asked for criticism of the show and they're receiving it. The tone of the show is reminiscent of a 40ish screenwriter's idea of how frat boys behave. It's superficial and insincere, and I really can't imagine that ANY gaming audience really prefers this type of "faux bro" shtick.
We're not asking for skinny nerds with pocket protectors, we're just asking for the hosts to not channel Seann William Scott.
On October 08 2010 10:29 ApBuLLet wrote: Anyways I'm glad that StarCraft 2 is being recognized by other communities. Maybe we can show the console community what esports is all about... because going by their show... clearly they don't know :p
I'm not sure about that....maybe it's because I'm a quite pessimistic person, but considering what MLG's main audience is interested in, it seems hard to me to find a "common basis"
I don't wanna offend console-gamers in any way, hell I sometimes play call of duty on ps3 because it's fun for relaxing; but there are WORLDS between the sc2-community and the console-gamer-community; console-gamers in general don't seem to be too interested in in-debth analysis of their game....or talking about specifics, tactical details, player-personalities etc. in general; although this is very generalizing, I get the impression the audience of MLG is much more into a "cool show"
it will definitely help sc2 to grow when it is implemented in the MLG-concept; nevertheless, I find it hard to believe, that the spirit of sc, that was transferred from BW to SC2, that goes very deep into strategic analysis can be combined with the "I want to play a game"-spirit of the console-gaming community;
would be kinda similar if you would ask pro-snooker-players to join in at an event where soccer and basketball tournaments are played; the audience is just SO different in every possible way, that snooker-fans will probably feel a bit awkward, although it would definitely help the sport to grow in the US and reach out to a different audience
Either you make your show professional, serious and informative or you be damn, DAMN sure your hosts are funny otherwise its pointless. The scripting was terrible. What is your target audience? 9th graders? There's nothing wrong with a "casual" program, but when you bring a community like starcraft's, which is used to mature humor mixed with high level analysis, and try to make it fit with a childish atmosphere it just doesn't work.
Take a look at some of DjWheat's casts. Its authentic, the host knows what he's talking about, and very very loosely scripted. Thats how you bring in a community like this.
e: I want to emphasize the MATURE HUMOR part because thats exactly what you should be going for.
I don't think there's any inherent clash between SC2 and other games. An MLG show that covers gaming news, esports, etc is not some unholy chimaera that cannot be imagined.
I think you underestimate console gamers if you think they want to watch superficial glitz where two "bros" talk about how "extreeeeme" Halo is (note that I'm just talking about the stereotypes being used in this thread, not the actual show). I think they'd be just as interested in hearing about competitive Halo players' playstyles and tactics. I mean, Halo doesn't really have strategy but surely players have tricks they use on maps, and weapons they prefer, etc.
In the end competitive gamers want to stomp noobs. Shows that help us understand how to better our noob-stomping powers should have universal appeal.
And I really think any gamer who watches the OSR is tuning out the hosts and just waiting for the game footage. At least that's how I watched similar shows back when I bothered with television.
On October 08 2010 17:36 StaticKinetics wrote: There's nothing wrong with a "casual" program, but when you bring a community like starcraft's, which is used to mature humor mixed with high level analysis, and try to make it fit with a childish atmosphere it just doesn't work.
the real, underlying question nevertheless remains:
does it, in fact "hurt" starcraft 2? or wouldn't it hurt much more to see starcraft 2 removed from MLG altogether? I know it's annoying, but I think we have to indulge the immaturity in order to see high level big scale sc2-tournaments; because if there's one thing MLG is really good at, then it's organizing the stuff so it works: beside IEM and GSL there is nothing on this scale right now, if we scare MLG away with retarded comments, then we basicly shoot ourselves in our own feet
@kojinshugi: I don't know too much about the conosle-gaming-community, but if MLG reaches its audience with "these" kind of shows, then I think it's fair to make certain assumptions; I mean, MLG itself is a professional organization, if their audience would appreciate in-debth analyzis, why annoy them with such shows then...the customer is king for them obviously?
On October 08 2010 17:36 StaticKinetics wrote: There's nothing wrong with a "casual" program, but when you bring a community like starcraft's, which is used to mature humor mixed with high level analysis, and try to make it fit with a childish atmosphere it just doesn't work.
the real, underlying question nevertheless remains:
does it, in fact "hurt" starcraft 2? or wouldn't it hurt much more to see starcraft 2 removed from MLG altogether? I know it's annoying, but I think we have to indulge the immaturity in order to see high level big scale sc2-tournaments; because if there's one thing MLG is really good at, then it's organizing the stuff so it works: beside IEM and GSL there is nothing on this scale right now, if we scare MLG away with retarded comments, then we basicly shoot ourselves in our own feet
Personally, if this is the attitude MLG wants to take with SC2, I don't think we need them or should want their support. I know that sounds elitist as hell, but I was legitimately embarrassed watching that segment. I don't want people to look at SC2 from the outside as its being presented by MLG as some kind of joke. It needs a professional, mature atmosphere that other venues already offer.
SC2 has the potential to radically alter the competitive gaming scene. The success GSL is already having should be proof of that.
I just don't get how large gaming organizations can miss the mark so clearly with stuff like this
These guys knew nothing about SC2 and were absolutely aimed at a different demo-graph entirely. Like so much so that we can't help but notice how completely inappropriate they are for the typical RTS fan.
I understand things are more complicated than merely pandering to the RTS community entirely.. but if you want to include SC2 in a show like this you MUST have better informed and more appropriate hosts. With JP/Day9 so clearly involved with you guys I find little to no excuse. If this isn't worth the cost than scrap it... I'd rather MLG does nothing along these lines than limp in with a terrible show.
On October 08 2010 17:43 sleepingdog wrote: @kojinshugi: I don't know too much about the conosle-gaming-community, but if MLG reaches its audience with "these" kind of shows, then I think it's fair to make certain assumptions; I mean, MLG itself is a professional organization, if their audience would appreciate in-debth analyzis, why annoy them with such shows then...the customer is king for them obviously?
The assumption that they're reaching an audience with this is suspect. The amount of viewers was what, less than 2000, half of whom stopped watching the second Day9 went off air?
I can't imagine anyone finding this show entertaining. It honestly feels like it's not directed at a specific audience but rather at some nebulous idea of what a tv show looks like.
MLG rules, i have kept up to date since they started doing halo 2. and now they are putting SC2 on and its got day[9]. WIN. the MLG weekends get reserved for me now because there is so much to watch. some of their stuff is a bit "forced" and "trying to be ESPN" but it just makes it better. my hat of to you MLG.
On October 08 2010 17:58 kojinshugi wrote: I can't imagine anyone finding this show entertaining. It honestly feels like it's not directed at a specific audience but rather at some nebulous idea of what a tv show looks like.
then again, why would MLG do something like that? they are not complete idiots, they must've done some basic research about what their customers are interested in?
but maybe I am overerestimating MLG and underestimating the maturity of console-gamers...but hell: we here want in-debth analyzis and therefore get day 9; why would the console-gaming community NOT request somebody with the insight like day 9 for THEIR stuff if they loved such analyzis too?
mlg is a cool company, and were smart enough to get day9 on their show. (which was basically a free boost in viewers)
This is where it gets confusing, considering how good the production values are. are these "hosts" some kind of family of a big shareholder or something? they were terrible. theres a reason the show has only 800 viewers. its ran badly and has joker hosts. i am not entirely rts either, i just bought sc2 3 or 4 weeks ago and i have never played rts before. i have an xbox 360, i have cod and friends who are in this crowd and i know they would dislike this joker show as much as i did. i was planning to watch the whole thing but i couldnt wait to turn it off after day9 was done.
the show isnt entirely without promise tho. the guy who ranted about medal of honor and the military was interesting and worth watching, altho it was a little too obvious that it was scripted, and it had some decent content. the ping pong part was kinda cool i guess etc
On October 08 2010 20:25 EleanorRIgby wrote: do they really have to shove there sponsors right in your face?
Everything has a price. It's a free broadcast for non-HD viewers.
Plus, there's no problem with giving credit to sponsors, football teams have ads all over their jerseys and many other examples... hell, even Team `Liquid is called TLAF-`Liquid which TLAF represents their sponsor.
On October 08 2010 17:58 kojinshugi wrote: I can't imagine anyone finding this show entertaining. It honestly feels like it's not directed at a specific audience but rather at some nebulous idea of what a tv show looks like.
then again, why would MLG do something like that? they are not complete idiots, they must've done some basic research about what their customers are interested in?
Because they're people.
Because even giant media conglomerates spend millions of dollars on ill-conceived shows/movies that don't turn out to be good.
The content of the show is fine. The production is professional. The execution and conception is sorely lacking.
Think of any show on E!
Do people watch it for the hammy hosts and stupid puns they recite? No, they watch it because they're interested in the content that's being delivered, i.e. celebrity gossip. The delivery method is trumped by what is delivered.
Same with ESPN sports shows. People don't care about the "bro" humor and hammy trappings, they care about the sport results.
On October 08 2010 17:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I just don't get how large gaming organizations can miss the mark so clearly with stuff like this
These guys knew nothing about SC2 and were absolutely aimed at a different demo-graph entirely. Like so much so that we can't help but notice how completely inappropriate they are for the typical RTS fan.
I understand things are more complicated than merely pandering to the RTS community entirely.. but if you want to include SC2 in a show like this you MUST have better informed and more appropriate hosts. With JP/Day9 so clearly involved with you guys I find little to no excuse. If this isn't worth the cost than scrap it... I'd rather MLG does nothing along these lines than limp in with a terrible show.
Did you even watch the show? They said "here's Day[9] for a preview of the SC2 tournament" and it was entirely Day[9] in a prerecorded clip. They didn't try to analyze the tournament or talk about SC2 themselves. Very similar to ESPN when a player gets into legal trouble (a situation that the hosts might not know a whole lot about), they send it over to their legal analyst and let him do his thing. I'm not sure what else you'd want them to do other than bringing Day[9] himself on to talk. While it might have been complete BS at the end when they said they were excited to see Idra and WhiteRa, they were only summarizing what Day[9] said and didn't stray away from that into unknown territory.
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