[D] Let's Play Shakuras Plateau! - Page 8

On October 07 2010 12:40 mOnion wrote:


4 player maps should have different dynamics than a 2player map.

On October 07 2010 22:20 kojinshugi wrote:


I don't think it decides who wins and who doesn't. Of course Zerg likes cross positions, but it's not an automatic loss to spawn in other positions. This "randomness" is pretty much the point of playing 1v1 on a 2v2 map. Of course it's really not so much "random" as it is 3 maps in one. If you have a solid strategy for all positions you're not really doing anything random.

For a spectator (looking at SC2 as an esport) it adds very easily understood variables to the game. Things that work cross positions don't work so well close, and vice versa. It's information you have from the start but the players don't until they scout.

Tournaments where every now and then you're forced to diverge from norms like "I get to expand away from my opponent" are more interesting. I just don't understand this insistence on safety in what's basically a war game.

On October 08 2010 00:11 awesomoecalypse wrote:
The fact that you can't spawn vertically actually makes this a pretty damn good map, IMO. An interesting combination of being reasonably macro-oriented, while still having some unique features.

90% of the complaints seem to be from people who haven't realized you can't spawn vertically. They're all saying things like, "cross-positions and horizontal is fine, but vertical is sooo broken, FFFFUUUUUU bli$$ard". But, in fact, thats been taken into account.

I think once people give this map a try they're actually gonna like it a lot.

On October 08 2010 00:11 awesomoecalypse wrote:
The fact that you can't spawn vertically actually makes this a pretty damn good map, IMO. An interesting combination of being reasonably macro-oriented, while still having some unique features.

90% of the complaints seem to be from people who haven't realized you can't spawn vertically. They're all saying things like, "cross-positions and horizontal is fine, but vertical is sooo broken, FFFFUUUUUU bli$$ard". But, in fact, thats been taken into account.

I think once people give this map a try they're actually gonna like it a lot.

On October 07 2010 22:20 kojinshugi wrote:


I don't think it decides who wins and who doesn't. Of course Zerg likes cross positions, but it's not an automatic loss to spawn in other positions. This "randomness" is pretty much the point of playing 1v1 on a 2v2 map. Of course it's really not so much "random" as it is 3 maps in one. If you have a solid strategy for all positions you're not really doing anything random.

For a spectator (looking at SC2 as an esport) it adds very easily understood variables to the game. Things that work cross positions don't work so well close, and vice versa. It's information you have from the start but the players don't until they scout.

Tournaments where every now and then you're forced to diverge from norms like "I get to expand away from my opponent" are more interesting. I just don't understand this insistence on safety in what's basically a war game.