EPTOn September 30 2010 09:20 Uncultured wrote:
That isn't iamttone, is it?
That isn't iamttone, is it?
It's TTOne.
MorroW playing Zerg? - Page 38
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
It's TTOne. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On September 30 2010 06:44 TT1 wrote: regardless of the shitty posts.. why would you guys think that someone who is offracing in games for fun is newsworthy? i have a hard time understanding how this managed to turn into a 35 page discussion there's a history here you're unaware of. It goes all the way back to the beta. | ||
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Channel56k
United States413 Posts
On September 30 2010 08:16 Choirdrunk wrote: This thread is so EPIC. Imablance, Mutiny on Mods, The Mods strike back, TT1 flipping out. But, the cherry on top of the sundae was (is?) the Idra/Morrow competition which (without strat abuse this time) Morrow has dominated against all odds (IEM duex?) I hereby name Morrow's defense: The subtle ultimate metagame checkmate. Our hero is assaulted early by the fanboy throngs. Morrow defends with a mix of confidence and nonchalance. Sure, he was a strong BW player, he claims, but SC2 is a different animal with a lower skillcap. Plus, he plays for fun. In comes IdrAGE! "Morrow was never good" bellows our fuming protagonist. Let us stop now to examine Morrow's strategy. Option A: Go all nerd-internet rage on a 110 lb. albino insulting you Option B: Ignore the telling taunts of a TL legend Option C: Compliment your attacker's play, defend yourself and justify your decision based on broader values you harbor about the place of this game in your life. How many of us at any age, let alone at Morrow's age, could have the self-control and good sense to go with Option C? Instead of falling into the weak trap internet attactive argument of "haha, I beat you at IEM n00b. Stop QQing" Morrow responds in a way that just demolishes IdrA's worldview. The notion that, even when talking about a game we all obsess over, some basic things like decency, thoughtfulness and respect trump superior gaming ability when justifying conclusions. Yeah, IdrA 'won' the battle that Morrow isn't as good as him (which Morrow freely admits) but, in doing so, he lost the war of gaining fans, growing his brand and maintaining respect. What's so amazing is the number of IdrA fanboys (like myself) who you see agreeing with this logic. Maybe this doesn't matter to IdrA. Maybe being the best foreign SC2 gamer is the penultimate form of validation in his life. But, damn, in this thread fight, I'd say Morrow wins by a suprising knockout. lol, what are you talking about? Destroy Idra's world view... i honestly cant even wrap my head around that. Idra represents a completely different personality and you've attempted wrap both players reactions/personalities/and thoughts towards the community in option A, B, or C. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 29 2010 17:25 Seam wrote: 12 hours a day of overall practice. vs 2 hours one time on a unit that then absolutely crippled his opponent. I wonder which took more work... (Anyone know where I can find the interviews from IEM? It was after his either IdrA or Dimaga game) Wtf? Even in the interview at IEM he said "I only managed to practice 2 hours vs Dimaga so my micro wasn't that good, but against Idra I was able to practice alot so it was better". Where do you get that he only practiced Reaper micro for 2 hours? And do you even realize that Morrow was an amazing player before that? For instance let's say he hasn't used Banshees and wants to learn to micro them. Do you think it takes Morrow less time than the average noob to learn to micro them perfectly? It sure as hell does. Practicing one build for 12 hours isn't a short time if you're already brilliant at the race and the game. | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
In so doing, he may be able to point out things Blizzard will need to fix with Zerg, improving the race overall. There is also the off chance that he will discover some new strat or build order that propells Zerg back to the top ranks! How exciting that will be! MorroW: I know I'm only Silver League, but I've been experimenting with delayed Queens to some success. I Do the standard quick Zergling Speed and pull 2 drones off gass then go In-Base Hatch to try to compensate for the lack of a Queen until I expand or need AA for Banshee harass; earliest I've been getting Queens is usually probably 3 drones after I drop the in base hatch if I see the opponent VASTLY far ahead of me in food. Probably silly, but I'd like your opinion on this idea if it has merit or if I should go back to toying with Pool->Queen, which is more standard. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:41 Crackensan wrote: I'm for one really happy that MorroW is playing Zerg. I though that it was some kind of publicity stun, but it appears he's reallly making an effort of learning the race, if for nothing else finding weaknesses in the race to exploit. In so doing, he may be able to point out things Blizzard will need to fix with Zerg, improving the race overall. There is also the off chance that he will discover some new strat or build order that propells Zerg back to the top ranks! How exciting that will be! MorroW: I know I'm only Silver League, but I've been experimenting with delayed Queens to some success. I Do the standard quick Zergling Speed and pull 2 drones off gass then go In-Base Hatch to try to compensate for the lack of a Queen until I expand or need AA for Banshee harass; earliest I've been getting Queens is usually probably 3 drones after I drop the in base hatch if I see the opponent VASTLY far ahead of me in food. Probably silly, but I'd like your opinion on this idea if it has merit or if I should go back to toying with Pool->Queen, which is more standard. There is literally next to zero benefit in doing your build order. I'd recommend trying a new one. | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
Does this fail utterly on short distance maps? ABSOLUTLY. This is bad bad bad on maps like Steeps or Delta, or close spawns on Metalopolis. They key really is that you have so much mineral overflow, you can get things a bit earlier than you normally would. Also, why don't I just FE? Because it stretches my army too thin and I usually lose the expo to MM pressure or with Queen then hatch, I don't have enough 'lings to fend off the Hellions before they annihilate my drones. I understand that this is related to my micro, something that I am working on. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
Basically, I'm trying new idea's to see if there's anything outside of what was developed in beta and just after release in terms of build orders or efficiancy for teching purposes or army size/response to scouting. From that challenge seemed to be a trend of players being able to tech STUPID fast, and if your micro can keep you units alive, live to see the win. Where that was a no-Queen all game challenge, many of the replays he showed could have easily afforded, and benifited from a Queen Late, especially the quick Spire builds that he showed. It's something that I've been workin' on and seeing if it is at all viable. Just trying to think outside the box...... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:28 Crackensan wrote: Refere to the Day[9] Challenge of not building Queens. Basically, I'm trying new idea's to see if there's anything outside of what was developed in beta and just after release in terms of build orders or efficiancy for teching purposes or army size/response to scouting. From that challenge seemed to be a trend of players being able to tech STUPID fast, and if your micro can keep you units alive, live to see the win. Where that was a no-Queen all game challenge, many of the replays he showed could have easily afforded, and benifited from a Queen Late, especially the quick Spire builds that he showed. It's something that I've been workin' on and seeing if it is at all viable. Just trying to think outside the box...... There's a difference between thinking outside the box and having a bad build. A 1hatch lair that doesn't allow you to get a queen out is so unnecessarily fast that you will be completely allin with your fast mutas and if your opponent makes any kind of anti-air you lose. If you're going to get another hatch before lair, just get one queen instead and you can even go Lair faster. It's just dumb if you're not planning on expanding with it. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
If anything, people need to experiment with getting more queens. Once you have 3-4 queens with full energy, transfuses can really change the outcome of a battle even with units like roaches. You should see what 1 ultra can do with queens constantly healing it. | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
Also, I totally didn't mean to derail the thread. Sorry, I just wanted MorroW's opinion..... ;_; Idra's.... I guess, but I'm afraid I'd be burned after the flaming hot rage. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
Well there goes my respect for one of the pro gamers then. | ||
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mierin
United States4946 Posts
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:57 mierin wrote: For everyone electronically giving MorroW a handjob...the most fantastic thing about this is that he realizes he's not that amazing a player. He goes to school, plays 2 hrs a day, yet somehow manages to crush legitimate pros using builds he barely practices. This whole thing is him trying to grow as a player. I didn't even figure this out until recently. And you just gave him a vaseline KY jelly handjob to top it off, well done. A lot of people play different races. TLO plays Zerg for fun sometimes. I play Zerg, but sometimes I switch to Protoss. *waits for electronic handjobs* | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
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sikatrix
Canada172 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:53 Uncultured wrote: Well there goes my respect for one of the pro gamers then. nobody cares. also, he's right. How/why the hell is this thread still going on. morrows off-racing, cool, big deal. Move on. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
Its like professional sports. Athletes there become as good as they are by literally striving to be the best. Unfortunately, many of them can't do that while not, at the same time, actually believing theyre better than other players. Even if their record doesnt show it, they still believe it. Idra can only show respect to Morrow if he beats him. Morrow beats Idra, Idra goes into classic haterage. TT1, i didnt know hes a pro (not too familiar with the professional gamer scene), but it made sense given all his self-satisfied "im better than all you shitty posters in this 35 page shitty thread" attitude. Jealous of all the attention and praise Morrows getting? Trying to emulate Idra's "any attention is good attention" principle? Grow up man. People see an athlete/pro give props to a good teammate or opponent who outperformed them and think, "wow, this guy is a really respectful and respectable guy!" Wait a sec, thats how people should act isnt it? But I guess were all so used to "pros" being assholes so suddenly being a normal, decent human being is something incredible when describing a pro. People like Idra and TT1 need to be brought down to earth. Idra, Morrow says he plays 0-2 hours a day, and does things that are actually productive during the other parts of the day, such as going to school. And he still beat you in a tournament final. Wanna blame it on imbalance? Just goes to show how insignificant your life's work is, seeing how the rules of your profession are dictated by the whims of some "development team" located in Irvine, CA. You are not someone who is above showing people respect. Stop being an asshole. And as for TT1...who are the hell are you? | ||
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