|
On September 30 2010 07:15 TT1 wrote:
if morrow enjoys the attention and wants to please his fans then he should make a blog and update it with his reppacks, i personally dont give a fuck about the daily "how morrows z is doing" updates on the general forum
Why do you read / post on this thread then o_o
Also this isn't even Morrow's idea now is it?
|
Lol @TT1, if you weren't a pro Chill would have so just banned you. XD
|
Maybe he is having a bad day :o
|
This thread is so EPIC. Imablance, Mutiny on Mods, The Mods strike back, TT1 flipping out. But, the cherry on top of the sundae was (is?) the Idra/Morrow competition which (without strat abuse this time) Morrow has dominated against all odds (IEM duex?)
I hereby name Morrow's defense: The subtle ultimate metagame checkmate.
Our hero is assaulted early by the fanboy throngs. Morrow defends with a mix of confidence and nonchalance. Sure, he was a strong BW player, he claims, but SC2 is a different animal with a lower skillcap. Plus, he plays for fun. In comes IdrAGE! "Morrow was never good" bellows our fuming protagonist.
Let us stop now to examine Morrow's strategy.
Option A: Go all nerd-internet rage on a 110 lb. albino insulting you
Option B: Ignore the telling taunts of a TL legend
Option C: Compliment your attacker's play, defend yourself and justify your decision based on broader values you harbor about the place of this game in your life.
How many of us at any age, let alone at Morrow's age, could have the self-control and good sense to go with Option C?
Instead of falling into the weak trap internet attactive argument of "haha, I beat you at IEM n00b. Stop QQing" Morrow responds in a way that just demolishes IdrA's worldview. The notion that, even when talking about a game we all obsess over, some basic things like decency, thoughtfulness and respect trump superior gaming ability when justifying conclusions.
Yeah, IdrA 'won' the battle that Morrow isn't as good as him (which Morrow freely admits) but, in doing so, he lost the war of gaining fans, growing his brand and maintaining respect. What's so amazing is the number of IdrA fanboys (like myself) who you see agreeing with this logic.
Maybe this doesn't matter to IdrA. Maybe being the best foreign SC2 gamer is the penultimate form of validation in his life. But, damn, in this thread fight, I'd say Morrow wins by a suprising knockout.
|
This should be a good thing for zerg players. Having so few zerg players at the top levels could stifle the rate at which zerg strategy develops. I like that Morrow said he was learning by experimenting, rather than by copying BOs. Maybe he'll come up with some new ideas. I'm a fan of idrA generally. He certainly sticks to his aesthetics, but perhaps he is too uncompromising about it.
Those of you who know a little about the history of chess might understand a comparison between idrA and the players of the Romantic generation (this is before the modern era). They understood the importance of winning, but they were equally adamant about doing it the 'right' way (usually this meant gambits and sacrificial attacks).
Having watched as many of the GSL games played by Cool (Fruitseller) as I could, I would say his success is partly due to the wide variety of strategies he employs, including everything from solid play, to crazy stuff I never thought of, to 6 pools. I wish there were replay packs of those games so I could copy some things.
So yeah; hopefully Morrow will become a contributor to the pool of zerg ideas
|
making good posts on TL is a useful skill toi have 
|
On September 30 2010 01:44 archaik wrote:
This thread yet again show what a joke this site is, and it's moderators. Lots of player poring hate on MorroW, and the moderators think it's fine. Make one bad comment towards Idra, Artosis, x popular player and you have a ban/warning on your ass. And Idras comments in this thread should warrent him several warnings, maybe a ban, but we all know that wont happen. Hypocrisy at it's best TL!
And much respect to MorroW btw. I don't think any other pro player would even consider something like this. He's only 18 but he's got far bigger balls then most 20+ pro players, including Idra.
MorroW fightning!
User was banned for this post.
Honestly wouldn't have taken a direct attack toward the admins, but I do feel like there is more tolerance to Zerg players with trash talking rather than Terran. That's my opinion though. =\
|
On September 30 2010 08:45 Competent wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 01:44 archaik wrote:
This thread yet again show what a joke this site is, and it's moderators. Lots of player poring hate on MorroW, and the moderators think it's fine. Make one bad comment towards Idra, Artosis, x popular player and you have a ban/warning on your ass. And Idras comments in this thread should warrent him several warnings, maybe a ban, but we all know that wont happen. Hypocrisy at it's best TL!
And much respect to MorroW btw. I don't think any other pro player would even consider something like this. He's only 18 but he's got far bigger balls then most 20+ pro players, including Idra.
MorroW fightning!
User was banned for this post. Honestly wouldn't have taken a direct attack toward the admins, but I do feel like there is more tolerance to Zerg players with trash talking rather than Terran. That's my opinion though. =\
You should change your name then.
|
+ Show Spoiler + On September 30 2010 08:16 Choirdrunk wrote:
This thread is so EPIC. Imablance, Mutiny on Mods, The Mods strike back, TT1 flipping out. But, the cherry on top of the sundae was (is?) the Idra/Morrow competition which (without strat abuse this time) Morrow has dominated against all odds (IEM duex?)
I hereby name Morrow's defense: The subtle ultimate metagame checkmate.
Our hero is assaulted early by the fanboy throngs. Morrow defends with a mix of confidence and nonchalance. Sure, he was a strong BW player, he claims, but SC2 is a different animal with a lower skillcap. Plus, he plays for fun. In comes IdrAGE! "Morrow was never good" bellows our fuming protagonist.
Let us stop now to examine Morrow's strategy.
Option A: Go all nerd-internet rage on a 110 lb. albino insulting you
Option B: Ignore the telling taunts of a TL legend
Option C: Compliment your attacker's play, defend yourself and justify your decision based on broader values you harbor about the place of this game in your life.
How many of us at any age, let alone at Morrow's age, could have the self-control and good sense to go with Option C?
Instead of falling into the weak trap internet attactive argument of "haha, I beat you at IEM n00b. Stop QQing" Morrow responds in a way that just demolishes IdrA's worldview. The notion that, even when talking about a game we all obsess over, some basic things like decency, thoughtfulness and respect trump superior gaming ability when justifying conclusions.
Yeah, IdrA 'won' the battle that Morrow isn't as good as him (which Morrow freely admits) but, in doing so, he lost the war of gaining fans, growing his brand and maintaining respect. What's so amazing is the number of IdrA fanboys (like myself) who you see agreeing with this logic.
Maybe this doesn't matter to IdrA. Maybe being the best foreign SC2 gamer is the penultimate form of validation in his life. But, damn, in this thread fight, I'd say Morrow wins by a suprising knockout.
those words are full fo wisdom! Actually I think it was kind of funny yesterday seeing the op's picture (I even first thought it was eddited  ), but since then the whole thread became just so full of hate, seeing some big names raging and mass demonstration of MorroW fans against mods. This Thread has it all, but what remains so far is:
1.The op's pic is not that funny anymore
2. MorroW has gained so much sympathy by showing hes not ashame or too proud to toy with his real account and not falls into rage when being attacked
MorroW is just an excelent player- and he'll also be one as Zerg if he decides to play it.
|
hi everyone.
im a new guy <-everyone stop reading my post lol - but PLEASE can someone explain to me what is going on here?
for the first time in my life i see pro´s flaming each other in "public" and bashing on random people.
this thread not makes me wanna watch you pros (i was watching IEM in cologne for example) on streams and casts anymore. it´s not like someone cares about me but there are a lot of people like me around. and let me tell you something.
your fucking yourself. no one else but yourself.
if id bitch like this at work i could go home and stay there.
think about it ;/ no offense. i love you all.
|
On September 29 2010 17:25 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:19 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 17:17 Seam wrote:
Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours.
Gonna look it up, however. So what? Practicing micro of a single unit the night before a match doesn't take 12 hours, and equivocating it with Idra's general training regimen is not a reasonable comparison. EDIT: Also, ITT, Idra admitting he lost as a ringer in a cripple fight? 12 hours a day of overall practice. vs 2 hours one time on a unit that then absolutely crippled his opponent. I wonder which took more work... (Anyone know where I can find the interviews from IEM? It was after his either IdrA or Dimaga game)
and what did morrow do all the time during the beta and before IEM?
play tetris all day long?
|
On September 30 2010 09:10 leecH wrote:
hi everyone.
im a new guy <-everyone stop reading my post lol - but PLEASE can someone explain to me what is going on here?
for the first time in my life i see pro´s flaming each other in "public" and bashing on random people.
this thread not makes me wanna watch you pros (i was watching IEM in cologne for example) on streams and casts anymore. it´s not like someone cares about me but there are a lot of people like me around. and let me tell you something.
your fucking yourself. no one else but yourself.
if id bitch like this at work i could go home and stay there.
think about it ;/ no offense. i love you all.
ya man i'm just shocked that of all ppls, idra and morrow would get into a flamewar on the internet forums. some1 think of the children.
|
Threads like these generate lots of hits from the jersey shore reality tv drama loving crowd, but it makes sc2 "esports" look childish when you have a sponsored EG player acting very unprofessional.
Which has actually always been a giant weakness for western esports, society can't take esports seriously when it's mostly full of kids that "totally pwn newbz".
If you want pro-gaming to be viable you have to learn to behave like a professional.
|
On September 30 2010 09:14 baller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 09:10 leecH wrote:
hi everyone.
im a new guy <-everyone stop reading my post lol - but PLEASE can someone explain to me what is going on here?
for the first time in my life i see pro´s flaming each other in "public" and bashing on random people.
this thread not makes me wanna watch you pros (i was watching IEM in cologne for example) on streams and casts anymore. it´s not like someone cares about me but there are a lot of people like me around. and let me tell you something.
your fucking yourself. no one else but yourself.
if id bitch like this at work i could go home and stay there.
think about it ;/ no offense. i love you all. ya man i'm just shocked that of all ppls, idra and morrow would get into a flamewar on the internet forums. some1 think of the children.
some1 think of the sponsors. thank god they are to stupid to read the internet.
|
That isn't iamttone, is it?
|
On September 30 2010 09:17 leecH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 09:14 baller wrote:On September 30 2010 09:10 leecH wrote:
hi everyone.
im a new guy <-everyone stop reading my post lol - but PLEASE can someone explain to me what is going on here?
for the first time in my life i see pro´s flaming each other in "public" and bashing on random people.
this thread not makes me wanna watch you pros (i was watching IEM in cologne for example) on streams and casts anymore. it´s not like someone cares about me but there are a lot of people like me around. and let me tell you something.
your fucking yourself. no one else but yourself.
if id bitch like this at work i could go home and stay there.
think about it ;/ no offense. i love you all. ya man i'm just shocked that of all ppls, idra and morrow would get into a flamewar on the internet forums. some1 think of the children. some1 think of the sponsors. thank god they are to stupid to read the internet.
well not like most ppl are fan from some zerg due to his robotic near perfect build order and macroing, but rather his constant nerd rages made him famous even for whom doesnt play/watch starcraft ....
esports wont be that much famous in western from night to day anyway ....
|
On September 30 2010 09:17 leecH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 09:14 baller wrote:On September 30 2010 09:10 leecH wrote:
hi everyone.
im a new guy <-everyone stop reading my post lol - but PLEASE can someone explain to me what is going on here?
for the first time in my life i see pro´s flaming each other in "public" and bashing on random people.
this thread not makes me wanna watch you pros (i was watching IEM in cologne for example) on streams and casts anymore. it´s not like someone cares about me but there are a lot of people like me around. and let me tell you something.
your fucking yourself. no one else but yourself.
if id bitch like this at work i could go home and stay there.
think about it ;/ no offense. i love you all. ya man i'm just shocked that of all ppls, idra and morrow would get into a flamewar on the internet forums. some1 think of the children. some1 think of the sponsors. thank god they are to stupid to read the internet.
The sponsors should already be aware, you just sound like a overly sensitive crybaby. Really, you're going to stop watching SC2 because of this thread with a few comments? One pro saying to another "you weren't very good at another game, I was on a completely different tier than you." Of course, it was said in a much more hostile manner, but there are sports like hockey where people beat the shit out of each other, the fans get riled up, and the punishment is a 5 minute penalty. Trash talking exists in every sport, I suggest you stop being a wimp about things.
|
On September 30 2010 09:23 FabledIntegral wrote:
The sponsors should already be aware, you just sound like a overly sensitive crybaby. Really, you're going to stop watching SC2 because of this thread with a few comments? One pro saying to another "you weren't very good at another game, I was on a completely different tier than you." Of course, it was said in a much more hostile manner, but there are sports like hockey where people beat the shit out of each other, the fans get riled up, and the punishment is a 5 minute penalty. Trash talking exists in every sport, I suggest you stop being a wimp about things.
nah.. you get me wrong. im not like all emotional on this ,)
im just surprised. people often refer this game to chess.
you say its like hockey. this thread seems more like wrestling acting bullshit.... ah fuck it.. why i even care and share my opinion,
|
Lots of respect for morrow here. I dont understand why idra has to be so hateful and angry here. Everyone knows hes a good player, another player playing zerg for fun has nothing to do with him and his intense hatred of terran.
|
On September 30 2010 07:36 TT1 wrote:
in fairness to the posters i decided to pick on this thread in particular after i saw all the attention it got but it was mainly fueled by the all the various garbage threads that people start up
k im done, hf with ur discussion
Good thing you're a "pro" gamer, otherwise you would have been temp banned 4 posts ago.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
