Ultralisk bug/issue with patch 1.1.1 - Page 14

It was just a bug, live with it or quit SC2.

On September 29 2010 04:42 MrCon wrote:What I find disturbing is that blizz just throws up a significant nerf just like that.
I really though that the ultrabug was ridiculous and couldn't understand how some people could deny it.
Same thing here, how can they nerf that in a bug fix patch ? Don't they test anything ? Zerg needs some buffs, a new unit or a major new thing imo already, and they put a nerf ? I'm really stunned. I hope they'll aknowledge it's a bug and rerefix it.

On September 29 2010 04:42 MrCon wrote:
To be honest zerglings are destroying thors already, so the problem isn't really that (unless I'm missing something)
What I find disturbing is that blizz just throws up a significant nerf just like that.
I really though that the ultrabug was ridiculous and couldn't understand how some people could deny it.
Same thing here, how can they nerf that in a bug fix patch ? Don't they test anything ? Zerg needs some buffs, a new unit or a major new thing imo already, and they put a nerf ? I'm really stunned. I hope they'll aknowledge it's a bug and rerefix it.

On September 29 2010 04:29 ffdestiny wrote:
SC2 Ultra:
Cleave damage and +15 base damage (20 to armored)
-100 less HP
+15 seconds increased build time
+100 more minerals to train
+2 more supply

On September 29 2010 04:42 JJdawes wrote:


lol yeah there has been so many games ive lost waiting on the 70sec build time to complete... Everything about Z is just sad.

On September 29 2010 04:03 Atticus.axl wrote:
Alright, as a zerg that started playing in 1999, I'll throw in my old-timer thoughts. Also, before I begin, I would take it as a kindness if you did not immediately dismiss the content simply because SC2 is a "different game."

In SC, as well as Broodwar, there was a very specific reason the Ultralisk was a solid and viable unit against both T and P. It was not definitely not splash damage, as the Ultra would only ever hit a single target. The reason the Ultralisk was good was that it had survivability. With the Ultralisk in SC2 able to evaporate in 2 seconds to nearly every unit composition, it is almost detrimental to tech to them, much less produce them. Splash damage is not the answer here. Making the Ultralisk a unit that can take the hits from the front line, and let the lings and everything else get in close unharmed, would not only make it a worthwhile unit, but would help bring that "swarmy" feeling back to the zerg.

I realize there are a hundred other factors that play into this, (i.e., map size, unit size, chokes, ability to surround etc...) but I'm trying to be concise.


Edit: added an "and"

On September 29 2010 04:42 MrCon wrote:
To be honest zerglings are destroying thors already, so the problem isn't really that (unless I'm missing something)

On September 29 2010 04:17 Winter_mute wrote:
Just another reason not to get ultras. Seeing them do their ridiculous ultra dance and not even reaching their target, makes me swear in 5 languages.

why should ultralisks hard counter thors?

On September 29 2010 05:03 Heavy Note wrote:
why should ultralisks hard counter thors? they are even in food, mineral and gas count, doesn't make sense.

On September 29 2010 00:14 HiHiByeBye wrote:
hmmm if you watch GSL game 3 cool vs top

Top had about 10-11 thors? and it died to about 7 ultras and cool only lost maybe 1 ultra?

and that is balanced? terran had no counter to ultras from the ground. Now they are more on even grounds.

Zerglings are so cost effective vs thors. Now zerg is forced to have a unit mix instead of just winning by massing ultras and zergs are crying about this?

On September 29 2010 05:06 SugarBear wrote:


Whahuh? Ultras get DESTROYED by marauder/marine mix with medivac support. And a few infernal preigniter hellions can exterminate any number of zerglings. It's absolute RAPE it's so one-sided. It's like playing Jenga where your opponent can choose his own blocks as well as the ones you have to remove. Completely unfair.

Now ultras aren't even effective. Thor/Hellion becomes just another unit composition that requires infestors and tons of micro to scout, position, and cast at the right times so you can overcome your opponent.

Meanwhile terran just has to move out with his hellions, thors, and a handful of scvs on autorepair. What micro is needed for that? You don't even have to lift and replace add-ons in that build. It's a joke.

And that's assuming you scout correctly. What if you go down a completely incorrect tech path, end up with a spire instead of an infestation pit, or an infestation pit and ultra den but no infestors or pathogen glands? It's easy enough to do, terran has so many options with so few buildings that a rax 2fact and a starport could mean anything from hellion/tank drops to marine tank viking to marauder hellion preigniter to all-out mech play.

Bottom line is ultras were designed to hard counter heavy mech units, and that's what they did, but now they are useless at even doing that. And you think that's a good thing? So tell me, would you consider it good if ghost EMP was removed so they couldn't counter infestor/HT anymore? Or if the immortal was changed to only do 20 damage to armored targets? Or if tank splash was changed to hit completely random spots in the target area and possibly missing entirely (cause it's unrealistic that tanks hit their target every time)?

No, that would be stupid, because it interferes with the basic design of each race that gives the game balance. Zerglings can't kill a critical mass of hellions because hellions were designed to hard counter zerglings, just like mass thors used to not be able to kill ultras because ultras were designed to counter heavy mech. Zerglings should not be able to destroy hellions easily, just like thors should not be able to destroy ultras. Yet now that is exactly the situation that has evolved.

On September 29 2010 05:03 Heavy Note wrote:
why should ultralisks hard counter thors? they are even in food, mineral and gas count, doesn't make sense.