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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
September 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#1081
Didn't he change his name to A Fruit Dealer, not Fruitseller?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
September 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#1082
Tonight is Cool's first decent opponent in the GSL. Every other opponent for Cool was vastly inferior to him and Cool rolled over them easily.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
September 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#1083
On September 24 2010 11:36 Karkadinn wrote:
Mythical, can you point me to official sources that cite Terran lore being AOE attacks and Zerg lore being single target attacks? I'm not trying to call you out, just curious, as I'd never really thought of it that way and would be interested if Blizzard actually designed, even just vaguely, with that intentionally in mind.

Terrans have guns/gunpowder which includes bombs/missiles/explosions. That's kind common sense. There's nothing in particular that says Zerg ISN'T, per se. That's just the way it kind of is.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
September 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#1084
On September 24 2010 11:38 Angra wrote:
Didn't he change his name to A Fruit Dealer, not Fruitseller?

They're both different translations of the same thing.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
September 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#1085
On September 24 2010 11:33 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 10:35 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 24 2010 10:04 Titan107 wrote:
The hatred on this thread just shows the stupidity of the community. If 1 person were to defend zerg (myself), he will be flamed to high hell for not following the general I YELL THE LOUDEST consensus.

I enjoy playing the race at 1650+ and dont give a fuck what anyone says about the race because it is not weak. Take your shitty mechanics and let the professionals be professionals, and yourself be the casual you are. Stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

1650+? Who are you again?

He's the guy that thinks he's better than Cool, Zenio, Check, IdrA and Dimaga. Oh, and that the game is imbalanced, in Zerg's favor. I think he's delusional.


He's probably Schizophrenic, living in his own little fantasy world.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
September 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#1086
On September 24 2010 11:39 Cade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 11:33 Lefnui wrote:
On September 24 2010 10:35 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 24 2010 10:04 Titan107 wrote:
The hatred on this thread just shows the stupidity of the community. If 1 person were to defend zerg (myself), he will be flamed to high hell for not following the general I YELL THE LOUDEST consensus.

I enjoy playing the race at 1650+ and dont give a fuck what anyone says about the race because it is not weak. Take your shitty mechanics and let the professionals be professionals, and yourself be the casual you are. Stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

1650+? Who are you again?

He's the guy that thinks he's better than Cool, Zenio, Check, IdrA and Dimaga. Oh, and that the game is imbalanced, in Zerg's favor. I think he's delusional.


He's probably Schizophrenic, living in his own little fantasy world.

At any level other than the pro level, little balances don't really matter. Seems reasonable.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
September 24 2010 02:41 GMT
#1087
On September 24 2010 11:40 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 11:39 Cade wrote:
On September 24 2010 11:33 Lefnui wrote:
On September 24 2010 10:35 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 24 2010 10:04 Titan107 wrote:
The hatred on this thread just shows the stupidity of the community. If 1 person were to defend zerg (myself), he will be flamed to high hell for not following the general I YELL THE LOUDEST consensus.

I enjoy playing the race at 1650+ and dont give a fuck what anyone says about the race because it is not weak. Take your shitty mechanics and let the professionals be professionals, and yourself be the casual you are. Stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

1650+? Who are you again?

He's the guy that thinks he's better than Cool, Zenio, Check, IdrA and Dimaga. Oh, and that the game is imbalanced, in Zerg's favor. I think he's delusional.


He's probably Schizophrenic, living in his own little fantasy world.

At any level other than the pro level, little balances don't really matter. Seems reasonable.


did you even read his post?
smegged
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia213 Posts
September 24 2010 02:42 GMT
#1088
On September 24 2010 11:37 MythicalMage wrote:
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On September 24 2010 11:35 blitzkrieger wrote:
Holy CHECK! Blizzard's slow idiotic balance isn't gonna work on a game like SC2. They can't even make maps symmetrical how can they balance a race? It's extremely obvious Terran is OP and Zerg needs help yet instead of making real changes they decrease BC ground attack by 2! The Tank in SC2 was severely OP versus non-armored units (twice the damage with no overkill?). They leave marauders and drops untouched and have no real buff to zerg.

Every Terran unit is good in small numbers thats why they can do so much. Zerg units aren't. Hopefully this will financially startle Blizzard when their E-wallet starts hurting since SC2 looks like an imba T fest so they are forced to balance rather than make small incremental changes to huge problems. If Korean pros who are supposed to be calm and well mannered are "raging" due to imbalance it really shows there is a problem. I feel like I am playing WoW again with how shitty the balance changes are and how painfully slow they come without addressing the real issues.

I really want SC2 to succeed but Blizzard NEEDS to get moving (look at the Ultra bug do they not test anything?). I mean think of how SC2 is perceived in Korea. If the game looks like a joke then its gonna hurt E-sports. We have a corporate bureaucracy of molasses dealing with an extremely dynamic, changing, and intricate system that is RTS.

If zerg units were good in small numbers, the game would be broken/over. At some point, people will figure that out.


With the current macro mechanics maybe.

But (and this is a key point) that all depends on how well the units scale in numbers. Dragoons were powerful but did not scale as well in numbers as say, hydra. Lings were powerful in small numbers but did not scale well to large numbers.
"I'm usually happy when I can see Dark Templar, Its when I can't see them that I get angry." - Altar
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
September 24 2010 02:42 GMT
#1089
Cool is going to fight oGsTOP (T) tonight. I would really like Cool to win but all statistics point to unlikely. Is there anyone here willing to bet for Cool?
Karkadinn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
September 24 2010 02:44 GMT
#1090
On September 24 2010 11:39 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 11:36 Karkadinn wrote:
Mythical, can you point me to official sources that cite Terran lore being AOE attacks and Zerg lore being single target attacks? I'm not trying to call you out, just curious, as I'd never really thought of it that way and would be interested if Blizzard actually designed, even just vaguely, with that intentionally in mind.

Terrans have guns/gunpowder which includes bombs/missiles/explosions. That's kind common sense. There's nothing in particular that says Zerg ISN'T, per se. That's just the way it kind of is.


And Zerg have fast-acting diseases and acid and chemical-based explosions. I fail to see the difference.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 02:51:44
September 24 2010 02:48 GMT
#1091
Titan107 should perhaps apply to TSL and help out Tester and Clide (and Cool, if he won't be Zerg soon), because Cool's post indicates the team is experiencing a major Zerg problem. Who knows, maybe Titan knows better than Cool, and Cool's ability just isn't fit that well for the Zerg race in SC2. Cool really could make an excellent Terran, with all their harassing options, where his brilliant micro can shine.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
September 24 2010 02:50 GMT
#1092
On September 24 2010 02:39 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:36 theqat wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Everyone is in such a hurry to balance the game perfectly, these things take time.

Broodwar was also super imbalanced in the beginning, every single game is. You cant just expect a 2 month old game to be perfectly balanced. But blizzard is moving in the right direction. Slowly maybe, but still.

Or do people honestly think that zerg is not going to change in the next 10 years? or even ½ a year?

Just stop complaining, play whichever race you want and enjoy the game, the game will be balanced eventually. Maybe in a few months Zerg will dominate.


The players complaining in the OP are trying to make a living purely off the game and it is unquestionably Blizzard's fault that they can't do so with the race they initially chose. If you're going to thrust your game into $85k tournaments right off the bat, it had better at least approach balanced, but I think we all know Blizz failed at that pretty hard. Now we can only hope they shift into a higher gear for the next patch.



Do you think blizzard cares if some Koreans cant make money off of their game? No, and neither do I.

People expect blizzard to balance out a massive online game within a few months, when new strategies are showing up every day. It's a really hard thing to do, and it takes time.

But seriously, name a game that was balanced right from the beginning. Any online game.



I will, if you name me a game that the parent company said that they'll support the e-sport community from the get-go.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 02:53:46
September 24 2010 02:52 GMT
#1093
On September 24 2010 11:44 Karkadinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 11:39 MythicalMage wrote:
On September 24 2010 11:36 Karkadinn wrote:
Mythical, can you point me to official sources that cite Terran lore being AOE attacks and Zerg lore being single target attacks? I'm not trying to call you out, just curious, as I'd never really thought of it that way and would be interested if Blizzard actually designed, even just vaguely, with that intentionally in mind.

Terrans have guns/gunpowder which includes bombs/missiles/explosions. That's kind common sense. There's nothing in particular that says Zerg ISN'T, per se. That's just the way it kind of is.


And Zerg have fast-acting diseases and acid and chemical-based explosions. I fail to see the difference.


Blizzard just had zerg completely wrong since the start of SC2. Right now blizzard thinks that zerg is supposed to be "like bugs that crawl under your skin", the designers did a good job of capturing this, but the problem is the original quote was wrong. Zerg is supposed to be steroid injected hyper aggressive mutated animals that makes you shit your pants.
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csfield
Profile Joined October 2008
United States206 Posts
September 24 2010 02:53 GMT
#1094
On September 24 2010 09:36 Zips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 09:29 Dionyseus wrote:
On September 24 2010 09:14 Zips wrote:
I wonder how much of this rage is because COOL isn't trying new things.. I think there's some unexplored potential in zerg's early game.. Perhaps try going lair before building a queen, or something like that.. I don't know


Going lair before queen means you'll have a lot less larva and thus a weaker economy, you wouldn't be able to survive any terran or protoss aggression.


I think it's possible to early lair, but any kind of early, quasi-all-in rush is probably going to crush you. That's not exactly new, though..


You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

hint: nearly every terran or protoss player uses some kind of "early, quasi-all-in rush" against zerg, especially if you early lair
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
September 24 2010 02:54 GMT
#1095
I honestly don't know why all zerg players who complain don't just switch races right now.

I mean, you've got two choices: switch and dominate, since the game is apparently so imbalanced, leading to action from Blizzard; stay Zerg and occasionally eke out some results, skewing statistics by being 'so much better' or having 'so much more practice' or whatever.

People just like talking the talk, I guess. I genuinely want them to switch races, if only to get balance issues smoothed out faster, but they'd rather have 'self-respect' lol
blitzkrieger
Profile Joined September 2010
United States512 Posts
September 24 2010 02:54 GMT
#1096
On September 24 2010 11:37 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 11:35 blitzkrieger wrote:
Holy CHECK! Blizzard's slow idiotic balance isn't gonna work on a game like SC2. They can't even make maps symmetrical how can they balance a race? It's extremely obvious Terran is OP and Zerg needs help yet instead of making real changes they decrease BC ground attack by 2! The Tank in SC2 was severely OP versus non-armored units (twice the damage with no overkill?). They leave marauders and drops untouched and have no real buff to zerg.

Every Terran unit is good in small numbers thats why they can do so much. Zerg units aren't. Hopefully this will financially startle Blizzard when their E-wallet starts hurting since SC2 looks like an imba T fest so they are forced to balance rather than make small incremental changes to huge problems. If Korean pros who are supposed to be calm and well mannered are "raging" due to imbalance it really shows there is a problem. I feel like I am playing WoW again with how shitty the balance changes are and how painfully slow they come without addressing the real issues.

I really want SC2 to succeed but Blizzard NEEDS to get moving (look at the Ultra bug do they not test anything?). I mean think of how SC2 is perceived in Korea. If the game looks like a joke then its gonna hurt E-sports. We have a corporate bureaucracy of molasses dealing with an extremely dynamic, changing, and intricate system that is RTS.

If zerg units were good in small numbers, the game would be broken/over. At some point, people will figure that out.


You mean like the game is now? I know T is supposed to be good in small numbers and zerg is supposed to be weaker but the balance isn't there. Just because they have the racial trait doesn't mean its in the correct balance atm, which it obv isn't.
solidONE
Profile Joined August 2010
United States160 Posts
September 24 2010 02:55 GMT
#1097
On September 24 2010 04:20 Perkins1752 wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think that there are things TLO does that other zergs should do.


Do you mean the fact he switched to Terran?



zing
smegged
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia213 Posts
September 24 2010 03:06 GMT
#1098
On September 24 2010 11:54 Redmark wrote:
I honestly don't know why all zerg players who complain don't just switch races right now.

I mean, you've got two choices: switch and dominate, since the game is apparently so imbalanced, leading to action from Blizzard; stay Zerg and occasionally eke out some results, skewing statistics by being 'so much better' or having 'so much more practice' or whatever.

People just like talking the talk, I guess. I genuinely want them to switch races, if only to get balance issues smoothed out faster, but they'd rather have 'self-respect' lol


I *like* the zerg playstyle. I enjoy zerg mechanics more than the other races. Not everything is about winning.

Also, it is far more rewarding when you do get a win as zerg as you feel that you have genuinely outplayed your opponent.
"I'm usually happy when I can see Dark Templar, Its when I can't see them that I get angry." - Altar
PallasAthena
Profile Joined September 2010
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-28 06:34:30
September 24 2010 03:06 GMT
#1099
cool is one of my favorites XD i hope he goes far
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
September 24 2010 03:09 GMT
#1100
JulyZerg is our last hope
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