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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:15 kickinhead wrote: Played thousands of games but what do I know... Played UD - why do I have such bad luck with races? WC3 was very well balanced, especially for a game containing heroes. Maps created any imbalance that existed and if you want to complain about UD vs OC @ LT that's fine. Played tens of thousands of games though, so what do I know... | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
I still haven't played in like 2 weeks after losing 7 in a row to 6 terrans and 1 protoss (obviously this was before patch) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:20 heishe wrote: Or could it be, that you don't have a clue about Sc2 zerg? or maybe you don't realize the rediculous similarities in Fungal and Dark swarm in terms of function in map control in high level play, or how much zerg relies on positioning and stalling. OR perhaps you just don't realize that Infestors offer everything a defiler offers EXCEPT a plague like spell. Infestors as a gimmick are less than good, infestors as a properly controlled caster are going to become amazingly important as this game continues. If you seriously believe that you must either be on copper league, have no clue about Zerg at all or have no clue about SC1 at all. I wish I could break walls with infestors. | ||
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iNty.sCream
Germany195 Posts
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
lol +1 | ||
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In1t4themoney
Germany77 Posts
1. longer delay on spine crawler repositioning 2. queens moving offcreep are too fucking slow 3. spread creep tumor speed was hugely nerfed also these 3 things affect almost every game. besides roaches do nothing but SUCK and there should be a massable 1 supply unit away from zerglings. I'd also like to mention that as time goes on, the ZvP will be even more an issue than ZvT is... | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:19 Grettin wrote: And possibly fuck up mid and late game because of it. Or am i missing something here?  Obviously that is a terrible idea :p Zerg needs more gimmicky stuff. Stuff that gives them more utility without directly buffing the units. Faster overlords, roaches do aoedmg when they unburrow, mutas heal super fast near a spire(can only make 15 mutas per Spire), nydus worms attack after spawning, infestors can steal energy from allies, upgrade to make lings take 50% less splash dmg, upgrade to make lings do 200% more dmg to buildings(harass). Shit like that. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
Blizzard clearly has no idea what the fuck is going on, they release a patch almost 2 months into the game's release, and only fix some minor issues with zerg. We've been telling them there is a problem with zerg since the start of beta, but they have subbernly refused to listen. There is no excuse now that they lack the proper test-pool of top level gamers to balance it correctly. There is also no room to argue that 'things will be figured out' because we've now had the top players in the world slamming their heads against zerg for the past 2 months. Blizzard needs to get their act together or this will become a 2 race game... | ||
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torm
Canada274 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:23 SilverPotato wrote: I just don't see why Zerg's complain about drops if they fail to do them themselves. Kind of like when people who didn't vote get angry about who's in office... i would do drops all day if my overlord could heal all my units to full hp too! | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:23 SilverPotato wrote: I just don't see why Zerg's complain about drops if they fail to do them themselves. Kind of like when people who didn't vote get angry about who's in office... yeah, that's not the same...... | ||
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Minimi][
Germany43 Posts
Zerg would outmacro them on any skill level. Therefore Blizzard nerfed zerg to the point roaches and hydras would get beaten up pretty hard by kindergardeners. Lings always got. Now where 3/1rax reaper FE 1fac FE and warpgate FE are common on high skill levels zerg has no macro advantage and every zerg army is a puny mess cost resp. supply wise compared to their enemies. I mean come on, its such a pain watching any high level PvZ. This cant be solved by nerfs. Zerg need some buffs on their backbone units => lings roaches hydras much like raise lings dps esp. with adrenal glands raise roach range from 3 to 4 change hydra damage from 12 to 10 (+6 vs armored per research require lair) reduce hydra cost swap hydra and bling tech position (would also fix zvz) I have no hopes in seeing any zerg in gsl season 3-15 because the situation wont change before reinserting the lurker or similar in HotS. Hang on Cool only 16 month till salvation. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:20 partysnatcher wrote: well, BW was never balanced. BW just had a lot of very strong counterable alternatives for all races, which left it open for each player to "play poker" and get inside the minds of their opponents. What you just described is balance.... | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:23 SilverPotato wrote: I just don't see why Zerg's complain about drops if they fail to do them themselves. Kind of like when people who didn't vote get angry about who's in office... Bad analogy and illogical point. Drops for Zerg are a 200/200 for the tech, 100/100 for the speed, and oh by the way you'll have to sacrifice some of your supply cap to Terran's masses of cheap, high-dps anti-air. Not to mention Zerg has no amazing Marauders. | ||
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lolbad
Marshall Islands35 Posts
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Mecha71
United States59 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:23 SilverPotato wrote: I just don't see why Zerg's complain about drops if they fail to do them themselves. Kind of like when people who didn't vote get angry about who's in office... it's really expensive and takes a while to get zerg drops up and running, and you have to deal with turrets being set up everywhere for almost nothing. Whens the last time you've seen a zerg match terren turret numbers with zerg static AA defense? | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:19 Grettin wrote: And possibly fuck up mid and late game because of it. Or am i missing something here? Since we're on larvae, I've been wondering, if blizz made inject larvae and normal larvae separate*(aka your normal larvae would keep spawning until 3 existed while injected could still stack 'till 14), you reckon that wouldn't help somewhat with inject mechanic? I mean you'd still be better off making drones ASAP/inject ASAP again but your normal larvae production wouldn't be delayed until you made units after inject pops. Dunno.... * Not that you'd tab through them or anything, just it always would select normal larvae first and hatch would regen normal larvae until 3 were present. | ||
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partysnatcher
156 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:22 floor exercise wrote: Mine would be more along the lines of making drop a 200/200 upgrade But I'm not really interested in taking the fun toys from the other races, I want zerg to be a complete race. We can't nerf everything so that the broken, shitty race can compete. We need to build that piece of shit up into a viable race Exactly, and the main argument for me about that, is that "toys" actually balance the game. "Toys" allows you to actually make a move first. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
It's too early to resume bitching until the patch changes settle a bit and strategies compensate. But when that does happen, I sincerely hope that Blizzard will recognize the overwhelming body of evidence that zerg is underpowered and continue moving to rectify it. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:19 kickinhead wrote: I agree: Infestors may get you a few surprise-wins, but as a solid BO, I wouldn't use them... They are a solid unit but comparing them to a defiler is absurd. Defiler means terran basically can't attack unless zerg screws up and turns terran 2000 gas vessel cloud into mutalisk food. Fungal growth and infested terran are decent but swarm, plague, and consume are borderline OP. | ||
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