This should be patched out. In the skill groups where this will actually occur, it will occur for every single player, and thus no advantage is gained (or any advantage gained is too insignificant, ie +1% income over your opponent or something). In other words, it is basically pointless.

If Idra and Tester both do it against each other, they may as well not be doing it.

The only situation where it would garner an advantage where 2 players are both doing it is if one race benefits more from the extra minerals than the other. And that's a balance issue.

Ryalnos

United States1946 Posts

September 13 2010 00:52 GMT

#382

On September 13 2010 07:27 Ryalnos wrote:

Poll: Does this mechanic add to the game?

No (276)

51%

Yes (263)

49%

539 total votes

Your vote: Does this mechanic add to the game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

Pretty even split so far.

Quoting for greater visibility to increase sample size & reduce the sigma (what?),

ShadowDrgn

United States2497 Posts

September 13 2010 00:55 GMT

#383

On September 13 2010 09:46 brotosterone wrote:
if you continue "shift+C"ing after the scv has returned the minerals, does it still issue the additional command?

No, you can't issue "return cargo" after the worker has returned its minerals.

CounteR

New Zealand103 Posts

September 13 2010 00:55 GMT

#384

WOW thats a good find lol

PokePill

United States1048 Posts

September 13 2010 00:55 GMT

#385

On September 13 2010 09:52 Ryalnos wrote:

Show nested quote +

Pretty even split so far.

Quoting for greater visibility to increase sample size & reduce the sigma (what?),

When you consider the average TL.neter is in Bronze League and isn't of even capable of doing this and microing a scouting worker and a executing clean builder order simultaneously, the results are meaningless on whether they think it adds to the game or not.

Ryalnos

United States1946 Posts

September 13 2010 00:57 GMT

#386

On September 13 2010 09:55 PokePill wrote:

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When you consider the average TL.net is in Bronze League and isn't of even capable of doing this and microing a scouting worker and a executing clean builder order simultaneously, the results are meaningless on whether they think it adds to the game or not.

Who cares? This is just an opinion poll.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 13 2010 01:00 GMT

#387

I facepalm at some of the people in here who complained about SC2 not having enough tricks as SC1 and when tricks are found their first reaction is "zomg imbalance patch out now!!"...and then later go back to complaining about no tricks.

This seems like a nice trick for upper tier players to do and definitely add another dimension to the game, an extra macro trick to use if you will.

Chronopolis

Canada1484 Posts

September 13 2010 01:00 GMT

#388

Holy crap I tried comparing 6 nexus times with and without this trick:

Without: 2:34
With: 2:29

As adverstised, even exceuted with moderate levels of precison nets tangible results (abeit very small). It would, however require quite a lot more concentration to follow a normal bo while doing this trick.

aupstar

Australia912 Posts

September 13 2010 01:09 GMT

#389

On September 13 2010 04:49 iEchoic wrote:
Ugh, I really hope this doesn't work or become standard. This kind of mind-numbing menial stuff is the thing that really takes the strategy out of RTS games. Repeating a button sequence as often as possible doesn't take skill, you could train a monkey or a child to do it. It's just boring.

Cool find anyway.

Perhaps you should play chess where there is no physical skill required, only strategy.

BladeRunner

United States407 Posts

September 13 2010 01:09 GMT

#390

I think this is awesome, and all those guys who complain how MBS & automine remove from the game should instantly start doing this giving them an advantage... Great find!

Soap

Brazil1546 Posts

September 13 2010 01:11 GMT

#391

Something like stacked mutas or stop lurker is mechanically easy to execute and adds a new dimension to the game. This is mechanically hard to execute and just makes early aggression/all-ins more efficient, which seems to be what most people hate in the game.

VarmVaffel

Norway378 Posts

September 13 2010 01:11 GMT

#392

I've been trying a bit, and it actually seem to be working on harvesting gas as well. However I'm not sure that the way I'm testing it/doing it is completely correct, so can somebody else confirm/deny this?

TitleRug

United States651 Posts

September 13 2010 01:13 GMT

#393

On September 13 2010 10:11 VarmVaffel wrote:
I've been trying a bit, and it actually seem to be working on harvesting gas as well. However I'm not sure that the way I'm testing it/doing it is completely correct, so can somebody else confirm/deny this?

so one has to test this.

sAfuRos

United States743 Posts

September 13 2010 01:13 GMT

#394

If blizzard patches this, it had better not make it so workers mine faster by default

All builds would be totally effed up.

blacktoss

United States121 Posts

September 13 2010 01:14 GMT

#395

On September 13 2010 10:09 aupstar wrote:

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Perhaps you should play chess where there is no physical skill required, only strategy.

Competitive Chess requires amazing endurance. You also need to memorize a lot of openings with tons of variations as you get higher up and the ability to calculate multiple moves in advance. This takes a lot of hard practice to develop. Every competitive activity has a degree of rote, mindless grinding to it. Anyone who wants to avoid hard work is not going to succeed in competition anywhere. Unless the competition is whining the loudest about mechanics.

lgn!

Italy224 Posts

September 13 2010 01:15 GMT

#396

On September 13 2010 10:13 sAfuRos wrote:
If blizzard patches this, it had better not make it so workers mine faster by default

All builds would be totally effed up.

well i dont think the advantage u got doing this is so huge... will be like 2-3 seconds on the 1st gate/pool/randomstuff

SwiftBunny

Canada134 Posts

September 13 2010 01:16 GMT

#397

I'm sure tournaments could make a rule to disqualify people from doing this trick, just like a bunch disqualify for burrowed infestor trick. If they wanted to.

I like this trick though!

sAfuRos

United States743 Posts

September 13 2010 01:16 GMT

#398

No, if blizzard fixes it, it means all your workers all game long are mining faster.
And i expect ti would mean more like 4-5 seconds with max efficiency, which is another 4-5 seconds PvP korean 4warpgate shaves off. And thats 4 seconds i'd rather keep, because fighting 4 warpgate is fucking annoying enough

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

September 13 2010 01:18 GMT

#399

On September 13 2010 07:27 Ryalnos wrote:

Poll: Does this mechanic add to the game?

No (276)

51%

Yes (263)

49%

539 total votes

Your vote: Does this mechanic add to the game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

please put this poll in the OP

Zzoram

Canada7115 Posts

September 13 2010 01:19 GMT

#400

Since this stops being useful at saturation, it's only an early game mechanic, and a highly demanding one at that. I think this should be left the way it is, early game people just spam uselessly and this way they can spam usefully.