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July officially announces his move to Starcraft 2 - Page 6

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Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
September 10 2010 06:40 GMT
#101
On September 10 2010 15:17 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.

In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.

In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched.


well I think its fair to say that your opinion is pretty biased and not shared by many


It isn't an opinion that SC2 is less mechanically demanding then BW at the moment.
Too Busy to Troll!
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 06:44:00
September 10 2010 06:42 GMT
#102
On September 10 2010 14:15 Vz0 wrote:
1500 diamond, about right.

I just LoL at all those retards that were like, OMG WHEN KOREAN PRO SWITCH OVER, ITS GG for NA/EU.

No its not. Shutup. Koreans are human like the rest of the world.

There are certain players that are gifted such as (perhaps) Flash and Jaedong. But thats flash and jaedong. THAT IS NOT ALL KOREAN PLAYERS. People mix the two up.

User was temp banned for this post.


You've already been banned, but just so you know. July won his last OSL in 2008. Respect the god father bro.

Absolutely, the most important announcement in SC2 for me, period. My favorite player is going to be back in the game, words can't describe the awesome.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
September 10 2010 06:45 GMT
#103
This announcement with the upcoming patch may see some heavy zerg dominance incoming.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
September 10 2010 06:49 GMT
#104
On September 10 2010 14:24 NeoLearner wrote:
So will he be playing as JulyZerg or keep his new FantaPrime name? Actually, it would have to become JulyPrime, right?

Anyways, my first favorite pro-gamer joining SC2. Sad for BW but awesome for SC2! July Hwaiting!



he is going to be joining a new team that is in a process of being created
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 06:53:57
September 10 2010 06:52 GMT
#105
On September 10 2010 15:49 shire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:24 NeoLearner wrote:
So will he be playing as JulyZerg or keep his new FantaPrime name? Actually, it would have to become JulyPrime, right?

Anyways, my first favorite pro-gamer joining SC2. Sad for BW but awesome for SC2! July Hwaiting!



he is going to be joining a new team that is in a process of being created
The other three members named are current oGs players.

So, it looks like (P)TesteR, (Z)Cool, (P)RainBOw, (Z)sigamari, and (Z)Silver_kr have all been peeled from oGs. I guess the team couldn't stay such a powerhouse forever.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
September 10 2010 06:53 GMT
#106
Zerg just got a buff ! =)
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
September 10 2010 06:57 GMT
#107
All hail july!
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 07:04:49
September 10 2010 07:04 GMT
#108
On September 10 2010 15:53 GGzerG wrote:
Zerg just got a buff ! =)

i see what you did there

so silver will continue hydra rush in sc2?
jnay
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada107 Posts
September 10 2010 07:04 GMT
#109
SICK!
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
September 10 2010 07:06 GMT
#110
zomg
sNes.
Profile Joined June 2008
United States377 Posts
September 10 2010 07:07 GMT
#111
down with kespa..BW DIES
Heroes get remembered but Legends never die
Melt
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland281 Posts
September 10 2010 07:10 GMT
#112
I was very pumped when i first heard about this, but i saw some of his replays... and although they were good, they didn't stand out that much.

Hope he will get better if Zerg gets balanced.
drag00n
Profile Joined August 2010
United States24 Posts
September 10 2010 07:11 GMT
#113
aw man this guy made popularized muta micro and fkkn owned with it

so much new blood in sc2 but i know he's gonna be top for sure

im so excited to watch him play

JULY!
ReadySteady
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands34 Posts
September 10 2010 07:35 GMT
#114
This is really good news, I'm excited aswell:D
Imperfect1987
Profile Joined August 2010
United States558 Posts
September 10 2010 07:39 GMT
#115
Awesome that so many BW pros are coming to SC2 already. Will be interesting how well they will do. I don't expect all of them to make it but I think some will transition over well.
The keyboard is mightier than the pen.
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2986 Posts
September 10 2010 07:40 GMT
#116
On September 10 2010 15:01 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:55 FindingPride wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.

In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.

In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched.

lol rly?
sc2 gonna have people just as good as jaedong and flash if not better. We may not see the names now. but theres gonna be a larger pool of players trying to go pro at sc2 and playing just as much as any bwpro


So, did you not read the part about how the absence of a Sc2 proleague makes this untrue, or do you just think we can all read your thoughts and understand why you think this? No matter how many people are playing Sc2, in the absence of salaries for progamers few people can practice as much as current BW pros.


Intel, Gretech and Blizz are already investing massively in professional SC2, just look at the prize pool of the GSL, and there's already proteams in the making. I highly doubt there won't be a SC2 proleague pretty soon.

And btw, your perception of the skills required to play both games seems pretty biased. Don't forget that SC2 retail is not even 2 months old, of course the skill level is lower at SC2 right now. You just can't compare the 2 like that.

I'm sorry to tell you that, but you do sound like a butthurt diehard anti-SC2 bw fan. (and that's coming from a guy who's been playing BW since 2000)
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
September 10 2010 07:43 GMT
#117
The days of zerg are looking good with ret and julyzerg playing
joheinous
Profile Joined August 2010
Iceland522 Posts
September 10 2010 07:47 GMT
#118
On September 10 2010 15:25 foxmeep wrote:
Why can't people grasp the fact that July is over the hill? Obviously no one is disputing how good he was in his prime, but if he was still any good he'd be playing Proleague and in MSL/OSL, not switching to SC2.

There is no question at all, in my mind, that if Korea adopts SC2 like BW, that foreigners will pretty much stand no chance. The current Koreans playing SC2 are B-teamers at best at BW. A player of Jaedong/Flash's ability would dominate the current SC2 scene.

Also, you can't compare BW APM to SC2 APM in any way whatsover, they simply do not equate. Some factors include MBS, unlimited control groups, and the fact that you can 1a2a3a while clicking.


Yeah he's over the hill( kind of an ugly term when referring to a legend) in sc: bw but the point is that his mechanical skill and apm are still there. I suspect that the reason he's not doing as well in BW anymore has more to do with lack of motivation than anything else as some have pointed out. There always comes a time when you just become stagnant at what you're doing and if you'd have accomplished what he has I don't think it's far fetched that that's what has happened.

Of course why we think he's not doing as well in BW anymore is irrelevant and it's just a fact that he has been performing poorly compared to his glory days but when you relate that to sc2 it really does become important. If it really is a lack of motivation then starting something new like sc2 will remedy that problem at least and I think that it is clear that it's not his mechanical skills that are sub par so I think this is really exciting and imo does equal a top pro coming over and hopefully he will show us some of the potential that sc2 does have.
Everything is self-evident
Danze
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia219 Posts
September 10 2010 07:50 GMT
#119
On September 10 2010 14:26 shadesofkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original"


What...


Challenge him I say! Challenge him!




~_^
Accidentally pissing on toilet rolls since 1991.
Housta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States57 Posts
September 10 2010 07:51 GMT
#120
Even more interested I see sAviOr on the chart at rank 47 korean server. Can anyone confirm its him? (so what still a fan!)
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