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On September 10 2010 15:17 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.
As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.
In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched. well I think its fair to say that your opinion is pretty biased and not shared by many
It isn't an opinion that SC2 is less mechanically demanding then BW at the moment.
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On September 10 2010 14:15 Vz0 wrote:
1500 diamond, about right.
I just LoL at all those retards that were like, OMG WHEN KOREAN PRO SWITCH OVER, ITS GG for NA/EU.
No its not. Shutup. Koreans are human like the rest of the world.
There are certain players that are gifted such as (perhaps) Flash and Jaedong. But thats flash and jaedong. THAT IS NOT ALL KOREAN PLAYERS. People mix the two up.
User was temp banned for this post.
You've already been banned, but just so you know. July won his last OSL in 2008. Respect the god father bro.
Absolutely, the most important announcement in SC2 for me, period. My favorite player is going to be back in the game, words can't describe the awesome.
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This announcement with the upcoming patch may see some heavy zerg dominance incoming.
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On September 10 2010 14:24 NeoLearner wrote:
So will he be playing as JulyZerg or keep his new FantaPrime name? Actually, it would have to become JulyPrime, right?
Anyways, my first favorite pro-gamer joining SC2. Sad for BW but awesome for SC2! July Hwaiting!
he is going to be joining a new team that is in a process of being created
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Zerg just got a buff ! =)
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On September 10 2010 15:53 GGzerG wrote:
Zerg just got a buff ! =)
i see what you did there
so silver will continue hydra rush in sc2?
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I was very pumped when i first heard about this, but i saw some of his replays... and although they were good, they didn't stand out that much.
Hope he will get better if Zerg gets balanced.
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aw man this guy made popularized muta micro and fkkn owned with it
so much new blood in sc2 but i know he's gonna be top for sure
im so excited to watch him play
JULY!
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This is really good news, I'm excited aswell:D
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Awesome that so many BW pros are coming to SC2 already. Will be interesting how well they will do. I don't expect all of them to make it but I think some will transition over well.
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On September 10 2010 15:01 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 14:55 FindingPride wrote:On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.
As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.
In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched. lol rly? sc2 gonna have people just as good as jaedong and flash if not better. We may not see the names now. but theres gonna be a larger pool of players trying to go pro at sc2 and playing just as much as any bwpro So, did you not read the part about how the absence of a Sc2 proleague makes this untrue, or do you just think we can all read your thoughts and understand why you think this? No matter how many people are playing Sc2, in the absence of salaries for progamers few people can practice as much as current BW pros.
Intel, Gretech and Blizz are already investing massively in professional SC2, just look at the prize pool of the GSL, and there's already proteams in the making. I highly doubt there won't be a SC2 proleague pretty soon.
And btw, your perception of the skills required to play both games seems pretty biased. Don't forget that SC2 retail is not even 2 months old, of course the skill level is lower at SC2 right now. You just can't compare the 2 like that.
I'm sorry to tell you that, but you do sound like a butthurt diehard anti-SC2 bw fan. (and that's coming from a guy who's been playing BW since 2000)
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The days of zerg are looking good with ret and julyzerg playing
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On September 10 2010 15:25 foxmeep wrote:
Why can't people grasp the fact that July is over the hill? Obviously no one is disputing how good he was in his prime, but if he was still any good he'd be playing Proleague and in MSL/OSL, not switching to SC2.
There is no question at all, in my mind, that if Korea adopts SC2 like BW, that foreigners will pretty much stand no chance. The current Koreans playing SC2 are B-teamers at best at BW. A player of Jaedong/Flash's ability would dominate the current SC2 scene.
Also, you can't compare BW APM to SC2 APM in any way whatsover, they simply do not equate. Some factors include MBS, unlimited control groups, and the fact that you can 1a2a3a while clicking.
Yeah he's over the hill( kind of an ugly term when referring to a legend) in sc: bw but the point is that his mechanical skill and apm are still there. I suspect that the reason he's not doing as well in BW anymore has more to do with lack of motivation than anything else as some have pointed out. There always comes a time when you just become stagnant at what you're doing and if you'd have accomplished what he has I don't think it's far fetched that that's what has happened.
Of course why we think he's not doing as well in BW anymore is irrelevant and it's just a fact that he has been performing poorly compared to his glory days but when you relate that to sc2 it really does become important. If it really is a lack of motivation then starting something new like sc2 will remedy that problem at least and I think that it is clear that it's not his mechanical skills that are sub par so I think this is really exciting and imo does equal a top pro coming over and hopefully he will show us some of the potential that sc2 does have.
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On September 10 2010 14:26 shadesofkarma wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original" What...
Challenge him I say! Challenge him!
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Even more interested I see sAviOr on the chart at rank 47 korean server. Can anyone confirm its him? (so what still a fan!)
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