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Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
September 10 2010 06:13 GMT
#81
On September 10 2010 15:06 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 15:03 Kantutan wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:59 deafhobbit wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:49 Grobyc wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

Actually, July has massive APM. Had well around 500(sometimes 600) in his peak, so I don't think speed is the problem.


Maybe, but where's he at now? Mechanics seem the big area where younger players have an advantage over older players, whether in terms of strict APM or more broadly defined mechanics in general. Nothing prevents older players from adapting their strategies to fit what is working currently, and we frequently see them do just that, which would seem to suggest that that the reason why most players start to fall off as they age is a difference in mechanical skill, rather than in strategy. The fact of the matter is that whatever his APM may be, July hasn't been doing well of late in BW, a quick look over his recent games shows almost no proleague games and poor starleague results, with only 15 games in 2010 listed in TLPD. He's clearly playing worse than top and even mid tier BW players, and thus switched to a game where the general level of mechanical skill is lower.


In one of the replays casted of him he had an average of over 350APM, and that's in SC2's fastest speed terms


...and far from exceptional for BW pro's. My point stands.


Convert it and that puts him well over 400. Pretty top-tier if you ask me, but whatever.
Anxiety
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States650 Posts
September 10 2010 06:14 GMT
#82
On September 10 2010 15:06 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 15:03 Kantutan wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:59 deafhobbit wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:49 Grobyc wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

Actually, July has massive APM. Had well around 500(sometimes 600) in his peak, so I don't think speed is the problem.


Maybe, but where's he at now? Mechanics seem the big area where younger players have an advantage over older players, whether in terms of strict APM or more broadly defined mechanics in general. Nothing prevents older players from adapting their strategies to fit what is working currently, and we frequently see them do just that, which would seem to suggest that that the reason why most players start to fall off as they age is a difference in mechanical skill, rather than in strategy. The fact of the matter is that whatever his APM may be, July hasn't been doing well of late in BW, a quick look over his recent games shows almost no proleague games and poor starleague results, with only 15 games in 2010 listed in TLPD. He's clearly playing worse than top and even mid tier BW players, and thus switched to a game where the general level of mechanical skill is lower.


In one of the replays casted of him he had an average of over 350APM, and that's in SC2's fastest speed terms


...and far from exceptional for BW pro's. My point stands.



APM is counted differrently in sc2 than bw. i believe.
Generic Ninja
Profile Joined April 2010
United States31 Posts
September 10 2010 06:14 GMT
#83
July was the progamer who got me interested in BW again. Hopefully we'll get to see him doing some creative stuff.
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
September 10 2010 06:15 GMT
#84
Tushin <3. Can't wait till the next GSL where he can start bashing scrubs left and right.
"It's not acceptable"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 06:17:41
September 10 2010 06:16 GMT
#85
On September 10 2010 15:06 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 15:03 Kantutan wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:59 deafhobbit wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:49 Grobyc wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

Actually, July has massive APM. Had well around 500(sometimes 600) in his peak, so I don't think speed is the problem.


Maybe, but where's he at now? Mechanics seem the big area where younger players have an advantage over older players, whether in terms of strict APM or more broadly defined mechanics in general. Nothing prevents older players from adapting their strategies to fit what is working currently, and we frequently see them do just that, which would seem to suggest that that the reason why most players start to fall off as they age is a difference in mechanical skill, rather than in strategy. The fact of the matter is that whatever his APM may be, July hasn't been doing well of late in BW, a quick look over his recent games shows almost no proleague games and poor starleague results, with only 15 games in 2010 listed in TLPD. He's clearly playing worse than top and even mid tier BW players, and thus switched to a game where the general level of mechanical skill is lower.


In one of the replays casted of him he had an average of over 350APM, and that's in SC2's fastest speed terms


...and far from exceptional for BW pro's. My point stands.

Flash, the best player atm, has around 280 SCBW APM, equals around 200 in SC2. Your point is complete nonsense and you have no clue in the slightest.

EDIT: And July still is in like the top 5 in the progamer APMs, and he's faster than Jaedong for instance. If you want to say something negative about JulyZerg, APM isn't a wise choice.
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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
September 10 2010 06:17 GMT
#86
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.

In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.

In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched.


well I think its fair to say that your opinion is pretty biased and not shared by many
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
September 10 2010 06:21 GMT
#87
Woohoo! The first of many big names I am sure
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
September 10 2010 06:21 GMT
#88
Hi, TLers, Comet from wfbrood.com (China).
I have translated this article into Chinese and posted on wfbrood.com. I have clearly stated that this was taken from here and I will bing the feedback from China back to here.
Here is the link:http://bbs.wfbrood.com/thread-19828-1-1.html
Thank you!
Comet from wfbrood.com
SneakPeek
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines162 Posts
September 10 2010 06:22 GMT
#89
oh no... SC2 is gonna get a BW progamer who isnt too old. prepare yourselves for major zergling nerfs incoming. @_@
Obscure
Profile Joined July 2008
United States272 Posts
September 10 2010 06:23 GMT
#90
On September 10 2010 14:59 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:49 Grobyc wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.

Actually, July has massive APM. Had well around 500(sometimes 600) in his peak, so I don't think speed is the problem.


Maybe, but where's he at now? Mechanics seem the big area where younger players have an advantage over older players, whether in terms of strict APM or as a more broadly defined concept. Nothing prevents older players from adapting their strategies to fit what is working currently, and we frequently see them do just that, which would seem to suggest that that the reason why most players start to fall off as they age is a difference in mechanical skill, rather than in strategy. The fact of the matter is that whatever his APM may be, July hasn't been doing well of late in BW, a quick look over his recent games shows almost no proleague games and poor starleague results, with only 15 games in 2010 listed in TLPD. He's clearly playing worse than top and even mid tier BW players, and thus switched to a game where the general level of mechanical skill is lower.

In my opinion it's motivation. He has a golden mouse, at some point you just have to feel like you have nothing left to prove and start to coast. I highly doubt mechanics are what have been holding July back in BW as of late.

Anyway, it's going to be really exciting watching July play SC2. Can't wait to see him in major tournaments.
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2338 Posts
September 10 2010 06:25 GMT
#91
Why can't people grasp the fact that July is over the hill? Obviously no one is disputing how good he was in his prime, but if he was still any good he'd be playing Proleague and in MSL/OSL, not switching to SC2.

There is no question at all, in my mind, that if Korea adopts SC2 like BW, that foreigners will pretty much stand no chance. The current Koreans playing SC2 are B-teamers at best at BW. A player of Jaedong/Flash's ability would dominate the current SC2 scene.

Also, you can't compare BW APM to SC2 APM in any way whatsover, they simply do not equate. Some factors include MBS, unlimited control groups, and the fact that you can 1a2a3a while clicking.
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
September 10 2010 06:30 GMT
#92
Tushin!! Hell yea. This is the owner of a freaking golden mouse, this is gonna be epic. As long as he's very active I have very high hopes for him considering other former notable bw progamers are all doing well.

Hopefully boxer and nada switch over and join the team, would be very similar to the old days of SC:BW.
Jaedong :D
Wihl
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden472 Posts
September 10 2010 06:34 GMT
#93
...my first thought when I saw that picture was seriously "I want to pinch those cheeks".
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
September 10 2010 06:34 GMT
#94
Good Luck July !
Sauron Zerg incoming!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
September 10 2010 06:36 GMT
#95
Okay. Grats to July...but I hope this only solidifies that the 3rd progamer to switch is Boxer...the day that we find out it is boxer, I demand a tl fangasm event where one can release their fangasmic enthusiasm!!!
civil cervixes || Kang Min Fan || I like TLO, TLO= German, I like Germans..?
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
September 10 2010 06:37 GMT
#96
I wonder if its possible to do sauron zerg in SC2. Well if anyone can it'll be Julyzerg. Can't wait to see him play in the next GSL. GL JULY
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
September 10 2010 06:37 GMT
#97
Finally, July back in action. Knowing him, we will not be disappointed!
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
Yuma
Profile Joined May 2009
United States51 Posts
September 10 2010 06:37 GMT
#98
GG IDRA

This is great for sc2

Also is one of my favorite BW players of all time up thier with Boxer,Reach etc..
Death is on your left side about an arms distance behind you.-Don Juan
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
September 10 2010 06:38 GMT
#99
We need some good zergs AND THIS IS HELPING
i dunno lol
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
September 10 2010 06:40 GMT
#100
Yeaaa! I will certainly be cheering for you, July! GL HF GG.
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