EPT14 casters/spectators is ridiculous and unnecessary.
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
14 casters/spectators is ridiculous and unnecessary. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:38 Floophead_III wrote: This is a good idea. Honestly, there's no reason for casters to be actually IN the game. Have a dedicated observer and external casters. I completely agree with Morrow's decision, even if it's not necessarily well mannered and he was arrogant about it. Players should NEVER have to suffer because of casters, they should be two separate entities that don't affect one another. 1) Casting without direct control of the camera is a pain in the ass 2) Streaming someone elses video and casting over it can be a pain in the ass 3) Any issues what-so-ever with the observers stream will have a knock-on effect on every other stream Point 1 is the biggest issue though, try it sometime, it sucks. | ||
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HaGuN
United States154 Posts
The only "professional" thing they have done was ban him for breaking the rules because they ignored him. Crappy casted/streamed games like this make not only players want to stop joining these things, but also lose viewers. ESL L2Organize your shit. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: The fact that it's fucking obvious if that's happening because the player is tech-switching and countering things they can't even see. Even the merest suspicion of that tars a player's reputation. Eh, where money is involved....people don't see such things because they don't want to (see the corruption in cricket atm). Even if it isn't a problem now it would be a good idea to pre-emptively resolve it. | ||
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Topsecret
Canada54 Posts
These organizations need to realize, without the pro players, your league is NOTHING. With the amount of competition out there today for prize money and bigger tournaments, I don't see why these organizations can't realize this. I would have done the same in MorroW's shoes and wouldn't be a bit sorry about it. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: 1) Casting without direct control of the camera is a pain in the ass Point 1 is the biggest issue though, try it sometime, it sucks. Assuming they're good, it is actually the best way to do it. Koreans in SC:BW have been having a non-caster observe for the camera for years because they can focus purely on the game instead of having to cast. That makes them less prone to missing action or things on the mini-map. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: 1) Casting without direct control of the camera is a pain in the ass 2) Streaming someone elses video and casting over it can be a pain in the ass 3) Any issues what-so-ever with the observers stream will have a knock-on effect on every other stream Point 1 is the biggest issue though, try it sometime, it sucks. 1) Trying to play with 14 laggers is a pain in the ass. 2) Constant interruption and delay while playing is a pain in the ass. 3) Without the player playing, there is no tournament. So I'd rather have 1 caster and a tournament than 14 casters and no tournament. The players are more important than the multitude of shitty casters fucking up their game. Nobody needs 14 casters. | ||
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NeVeR
1352 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: The fact that it's fucking obvious if that's happening because the player is tech-switching and countering things they can't even see. Even the merest suspicion of that tars a player's reputation. Fact of the matter is that if there is a lot of money on the line, some people are still probably going to do it. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:42 Yaotzin wrote: Eh, where money is involved....people don't see such things because they don't want to (see the corruption in cricket atm). Even if it isn't a problem now it would be a good idea to pre-emptively resolve it. Sure, it would be, which is why a buffered server would do the trick. Thing is I don't see anyone actually going out of their way to solve the problem, it's been known about for months and nobody has come up with a solution, just a lot of QQ over the fact that the issue exists. 1) Trying to play with 14 laggers is a pain in the ass. 2) Constant interruption and delay while playing is a pain in the ass. 3) Without the player playing, there is no tournament. So I'd rather have 1 caster and a tournament than 14 casters and no tournament. The players are more important than the multitude of shitty casters fucking up their game. Nobody needs 14 casters. We get the idea, 14 casters was ridiculous, if that was really the number. Nobody is disputing that. Fact is that Morrow banned everyone, including ESL's official streamer, which means ESL is not fulfilling their sponsorship obligations, which means the sponsors themselves aren't getting their money's worth, which means the money can very easily go bye-bye. Accept that the fault is on both sides and do me a favour and don't use every possible opportunity to lay into 'shitty casters'. Caster bashing is getting very old, particularly from the people who don't seem to realise that casters are the reason money is getting injected into the scene in any meaningful manner. One last thing I might add, spectators will watch anything. I had 27,000 unique viewers over the course of 10 hours, casting games that ranged from bronze level to low diamond, WHILE THE MLG WAS STREAMING AT THE SAME TIME. The players are not as important as the fanbois make them out to be. You can cast literally anything, as long as you make it entertaining and people will still watch. Instead of the needless animosity, much of which I might add is coming from community members that don't actually contribute to ESPORTS in any way beyond posting on a forum, some cooperation and real communication between casters, players, sponsors and tournament organisers is required, because if you take any one of those away from the equation, ESPORTS doesn't work. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:34 travis wrote: If they want to address that there are too many people in their games that is not the way to go about it... What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
Most caster's are a dime a dozen - there's obviously a select few that are above that. But if you aren't a premiere caster, I don't understand why they are involved at all. | ||
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Zrah
Lithuania55 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Comrade
Sweden102 Posts
On September 06 2010 00:59 apm66 wrote: Sounds like MorroW has a really big ego now! MorroW: "I told them that I regret it" "but I don't" "xD" what does that have to do with ego? Anyone could say that, this discussion is really really dumb. | ||
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Topsecret
Canada54 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:44 rasnj wrote: What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). This. They are completely unwilling and therefore the players should stand up for what they believe. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On September 06 2010 02:44 rasnj wrote: What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). umm, how about not starting the next game with no caster without saying anything it's pretty simple really.. just refuse to play your next game with any more than just the official caster in the game. | ||
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LostDevil
Fiji283 Posts
just cast replays. release them to registered and approved casters first so they can get off on their ustream account viewing #s because no one else has seen the games yet. A poker term sums this up nicely: LOLDONKAMENTS | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
It was like this in WC3. The maximum number of overall observers is 10. Casters had priority over everyone else so team mates had to leave the game. It was ridiculous. | ||
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DorN
Germany90 Posts
On September 06 2010 02 rasnj wrote: What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). 5) Tell everyone except of Take to leave but thats too hard i guess | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
of all SC2 tournaments I've seen so far (not many actually), The King of the Beta was the most professional and exciting to watch. The rest was just meh. Even the GSL I'm not following at all. | ||
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