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In bw we had observer etiquette and it went something like this:
1. players reign supreme and can tell any obs to get the fuck out at any stage of the game. Obviously in tournaments sometimes observers are necessary but in a ro64 for the love of god just cast the fucking replay instead of ruining the game with lag etc.
2. Obs don't get to talk to players (I've seen that in tournaments lately and it's fucking ridiculous.)
I miss that shit. And if you're running a tournament listen to the players, it's absolutely ridiculous how stubborn ref's or casters refuse to leave the game even when players (idra) calmly states that the lag makes it virtually impossible to play. It's like they're just abusing the power associated with holding a tournament and have forgotten why they're even doing it in the first place.
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why would anyone make a screenshot of a private conversation and presents it to the public?
thats just weak character...
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I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game...
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On September 06 2010 02:34 travis wrote:
What everyone seems to be ignoring is that yes... 14 casters is retarded. More than 1 caster is retarded and rude, yes. Casting from replays should be fine, yes.
But morrow(and idra's) reaction was to break the rules and not allow ANY casters in their game... which majorly shows a false sense of entitlement. The tournament isn't just for them.
If they want to address that there are too many people in their games that is not the way to go about it...
If they want to be treated like professionals then they should act like professionals, sometimes you have to suck it up and show respect to people even though you don't think they deserve it - simply because you are working with them.
i allowed bigt to cast so ur not really correct ... i dont like being compared to idra
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On September 06 2010 02:48 Comrade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 00:59 apm66 wrote:
Sounds like MorroW has a really big ego now!
MorroW:
"I told them that I regret it"
"but I don't"
"xD" what does that have to do with ego? Anyone could say that, this discussion is really really dumb.
Agreed.
MorroW wanted to play in the best conditions. Nothing egocentric about that.
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On September 06 2010 02:50 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:44 rasnj wrote:On September 06 2010 02:34 travis wrote:
If they want to address that there are too many people in their games that is not the way to go about it... What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). umm, how about not starting the next game with no caster without saying anything it's pretty simple really.. just refuse to play your next game with any more than just the official caster in the game.
I agree... why not just kick out seven or even 13 of the other casters and just let the official one in... I don't get why you would start with ZERO casters. Just refuse to start and be like dude just one caster that's it. MorroW even admitted that he was wrong to have gotten angry even if the situation was frustrating.
Enjoy your ban!!!
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Wait wait, I may have read everything incorrectly but:
ESL wanted 14 fucking casters to be able to watch, while the game was lagging because of it? How many casters do you need, honestly? One, maybe two?
fourteen?
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On September 06 2010 02:55 Topsecret wrote:
I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game...
But they have 1336 viewers that is the most important thing.
Totalbiscuit seems be only person talking sense here tbh
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Did any of the people who say "well deserved ban" watch the Morrow vs Dimaga series?
The lag was such a joke to the point there should of been a regame, but nooo.... no one gives a damn cause getting the stream out it top priority.
Morrow's reaction is definitely extreme however the "15 obs steamers MUST JOIN" situation is ridiculous also.
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On September 06 2010 02:57 Pezo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:55 Topsecret wrote:
I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game... But they have 1336 viewers that is the most important thing. Totalbiscuit seems be only person talking sense here tbh
Am I right in saying that? I am totally disgusted right now listening to this garbage...
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On September 06 2010 02:56 AppleTart wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:50 travis wrote:On September 06 2010 02:44 rasnj wrote:On September 06 2010 02:34 travis wrote:
If they want to address that there are too many people in their games that is not the way to go about it... What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). umm, how about not starting the next game with no caster without saying anything it's pretty simple really.. just refuse to play your next game with any more than just the official caster in the game. I agree... why not just kick out seven or even 13 of the other casters and just let the official one in... I don't get why you would start with ZERO casters. Just refuse to start and be like dude just one caster that's it. MorroW even admitted that he was wrong to have gotten angry even if the situation was frustrating. Enjoy your ban!!!
i wanted to make a deal with them to only use the big casters, esl, ggnet bigt and the ones with most viewers, to be like 7 casters instead of 14, but then they basically just ignored that completely. this was me vs dimaga btw
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On September 06 2010 02:58 Topsecret wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:57 Pezo wrote:On September 06 2010 02:55 Topsecret wrote:
I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game... But they have 1336 viewers that is the most important thing. Totalbiscuit seems be only person talking sense here tbh Am I right in saying that? I am totally disgusted right now listening to this garbage...
Then don't listen to it.
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why 14 casters? Ego (viewership)? Fame ("I get to cast this and you dont!")? Popularity contest?
2 streamers are enough. Figure it out among yourselves before the match starts so immature casters don't just delay the game for 1/2 an hour in th lobby who goes and who stays.
I hope the casters will learn to work together before the next tournament.
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On September 06 2010 02:58 Topsecret wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:57 Pezo wrote:On September 06 2010 02:55 Topsecret wrote:
I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game... But they have 1336 viewers that is the most important thing. Totalbiscuit seems be only person talking sense here tbh Am I right in saying that? I am totally disgusted right now listening to this garbage...
Lol there casting isn't necessarily the best but its down to personal opinion. The most important thing is people are watching it. So it doesn't really matter what you think of the casting.
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Not even worth your time to reply Morrow. Most of these guys are clinically retarded anyways...
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On September 06 2010 02 Valentine wrote:
Wait wait, I may have read everything incorrectly but:
ESL wanted 14 fucking casters to be able to watch, while the game was lagging because of it? How many casters do you need, honestly? One, maybe two?
fourteen?
Thats just bullshit there are no 14 ESL casters.
Its just Take and what happens to the rest of them is up to Morrow.
Got it now ?
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IMO the only way to stop 1) lag and 2) cheating when players are playing from home is to cast replays. And the loss of excitement from live is worth it for me to ensure fair and quality games.
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On September 06 2010 02:59 MorroW wrote:
i wanted to make a deal with them to only use the big casters, esl, ggnet bigt and the ones with most viewers, to be like 7 casters instead of 14, but then they basically just ignored that completely. this was me vs dimaga btw
Even 7 casters is excessive let's be honest, Bnet is awful and everyone knows it. Whatever the case, if ESL were not willing to listen to reason in that regard, that shows a blatant disconnect between players and tournament organisers, not to mention the unrealistic delusions of those 14 casters that somehow believed their presence, while saturating their upstreams with data, would not somehow affect the reliability of the match.
I might sound like a happy-clappy bleedingheart hear but this shit isn't going to work unless everyone involved actually talks to each other and cooperates.
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On September 06 2010 02:59 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:56 AppleTart wrote:On September 06 2010 02:50 travis wrote:On September 06 2010 02:44 rasnj wrote:On September 06 2010 02:34 travis wrote:
If they want to address that there are too many people in their games that is not the way to go about it... What is then? I see three options: 1) Don't play in ESL tournaments 2) Just continue letting the ESL make your games laggy. 3) Break the rules, and perhaps spark a discussion that forces a change in policies. In other tournaments there is a fourth, optimal option: 4) Inform the tournament organizers of the problem and let them sort it out. However ESL have proven that they will not help resolve the problem (at least no prior to this incident). umm, how about not starting the next game with no caster without saying anything it's pretty simple really.. just refuse to play your next game with any more than just the official caster in the game. I agree... why not just kick out seven or even 13 of the other casters and just let the official one in... I don't get why you would start with ZERO casters. Just refuse to start and be like dude just one caster that's it. MorroW even admitted that he was wrong to have gotten angry even if the situation was frustrating. Enjoy your ban!!! i wanted to make a deal with them to only use the big casters, esl, ggnet bigt and the ones with most viewers, to be like 7 casters instead of 14, but then they basically just ignored that completely. this was me vs dimaga btw
ESL's failure to cooperate results in you being banned.
That's retarded.
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On September 06 2010 03:00 Pezo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:58 Topsecret wrote:On September 06 2010 02:57 Pezo wrote:On September 06 2010 02:55 Topsecret wrote:
I am watching the ESL stream right now and they have some moron Henningk streaming with some dumb woman. They both have no clue what the fuck is going on. Very important to have these people watching your game... But they have 1336 viewers that is the most important thing. Totalbiscuit seems be only person talking sense here tbh Am I right in saying that? I am totally disgusted right now listening to this garbage... Lol there casting isn't necessarily the best but its down to personal opinion. The most important thing is people are watching it. So it doesn't really matter what you think of the casting.
Actually, what matters 10x more is the people watching ESL's actual stream and actual subscribers to their premium service. People who don't visit their site or support them but merely enjoy their product are largely irrelevant to the running of these tournaments.
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