• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:55
CEST 22:55
KST 05:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!31Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week5Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Starcraft2 player guess game is Coming~!
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
!!!NEW BUG!!! FIRE ARCHONS [Visual] Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini BW General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6899 users

[D] GSL Stream/Vod Pricing - Will you buy? - Page 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 Next All
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 02 2010 06:43 GMT
#381
On September 02 2010 10:43 dybydx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 10:23 Vz0 wrote:
Interesting question:

What if the stream is
1.) 100% Smooth
2.) 1080p + 3D Ready


???

on wikipedia, its claimed that most ppl watch GomTV for pr0n. if they offer 3D ready streams...

... i found no reasons not to pay for it :D


That's what people use the gom media player for. I don't think gomtv streams porn...?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Thrasymachus725
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 07:01:20
September 02 2010 07:01 GMT
#382
On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:


But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread.
If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in.
1723 people in the poll.
53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650
1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000
It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.


1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be.
2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment.
3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it.


Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports?


So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans.

So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say?


I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion...
You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale.
The meaning of life is to fight.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
September 02 2010 07:04 GMT
#383
aaaaaaaand I just lost all faith in SC2 "esports."
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
September 02 2010 07:09 GMT
#384
On September 02 2010 15:28 Go0g3n wrote:
Korean viewership in millions of viewers is all the matters to OGN, MBC and GOM. None of them will be getting any money from traditional advertising in free Internet broadcast to western or any international audience. Same applies to every single broadcaster around the globe.
- Advertisers pay minimum for online viewers even from the region, compared to actual rated viewers for regular television broadcasts.
- Advertisers pay nothing for global audience (which is why, for example, US broadcasters do not allow non US/Canada viewers watch shows w/ integrated ads for free on their websites).
- The only way to establish this kind of service, in this case - English-speaking broadcast, is to charge a solid fee, which can't be too low, since they are obviously planning to expand and later on offer $100+ (probably $250+) packages for other tournaments, yearly subscriptions for the Team and Solo leagues and so on.


1. US channel websites (ie comedy central) are not viewable from Canadian IP address because the Canadian channels (ie comedy network) purchased the Canadian broadcast rights, including internet casts.

2. you can still get paid for international audience. look at youtube.

3. there are sufficient amount of revenue to be generated from online ads to support streaming service. look at how many ppl are offering streams of their own bnet matches. how do you expect companies like ustream survive?
...from the land of imba
junkacc
Profile Joined July 2010
99 Posts
September 02 2010 07:12 GMT
#385
On September 02 2010 16:01 Zanez.smarty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:


But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread.
If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in.
1723 people in the poll.
53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650
1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000
It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.


1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be.
2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment.
3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it.


Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports?


So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans.

So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say?


I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion...
You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale.


The only backing you have is that it doesn't make sense to your uninformed mind, thus there must be a conspiracy or racism involved.

Ok, let's take Blizzard out of the picture as you so ferverently wish. Have you ever wondered why streams out of Korea are so bad. The pipe that links Korea to the rest of the world is not good. Within Korea, internet is lightning fast but connecting from overseas is slow. But ofcourse you have no way of knowing that. Then, GOM has two options: either relocate all their servers to the US or jack up the price so they can handle the limited traffic. But once again, you don't know that for sure, but you call GOM stupid or racist because you can't understand their motivations.
http://filesmelt.com/dl/1284595498849.gif
Thrasymachus725
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 07:15:29
September 02 2010 07:13 GMT
#386
Intel and Blizzard are both western companies based in the United States.
I am sure they are thrilled with the idea that the tournament they are backing is charging such a huge amount that no one in the United States are ever going to watch to see their ads and their game.

On September 02 2010 16:12 junkacc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 16:01 Zanez.smarty wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:
On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:


But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread.
If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in.
1723 people in the poll.
53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650
1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000
It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.


1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be.
2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment.
3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it.


Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports?


So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans.

So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say?


I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion...
You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale.


The only backing you have is that it doesn't make sense to your uninformed mind, thus there must be a conspiracy or racism involved.

Ok, let's take Blizzard out of the picture as you so ferverently wish. Have you ever wondered why streams out of Korea are so bad. The pipe that links Korea to the rest of the world is not good. Within Korea, internet is lightning fast but connecting from overseas is slow. But ofcourse you have no way of knowing that. Then, GOM has two options: either relocate all their servers to the US or jack up the price so they can handle the limited traffic. But once again, you don't know that for sure, but you call GOM stupid or racist because you can't understand their motivations.



Sir, sir... for a person with a name like "junkacc" you really seem to take this stuff personally...
The meaning of life is to fight.
junkacc
Profile Joined July 2010
99 Posts
September 02 2010 07:33 GMT
#387
What makes you think I'm taking it seriously. I'm having fun taking apart your simpleton reasoning.
http://filesmelt.com/dl/1284595498849.gif
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
September 02 2010 08:32 GMT
#388
I'm going to pay, I do think it is too expensive, and I do have some concerns about the quality and performance of the stream.

But a) They are paying members of our community, to cast in English. b) This supports e-sports directly, and the e-sport I'm interested in specifically. c) I want to watch the games ASAP!

I know a lot of people have spoken out quite strongly against the GOM approach and the arguments are certainly with a lot of merit. But at the end of the day, people need to get paid, and particularly the fact that GOM are giving people like Artosis and Tasteless money to get by, means we, if we are in a position to do so, should support them.

We should offer constructive feedback too. I certainly will. But I think reflexive criticism (no one likes to pay, we need to be upfront about that) will not see things improve.
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
September 02 2010 08:42 GMT
#389
i wonder how many ppl will actually end up paying for it?
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
September 02 2010 08:52 GMT
#390
I am not paying $20 a month (which is more than I pay for cable/ internet each month) for an online stream that is WAY out of my timezone. Gom couldnt even wait a few months before strong arming us into paying, if they did this with the second or third season I could see that, but damn.

Watch this 3 months in a row and you PAY FOR THE DAMN GAME AGAIN. I can see why Kespa ran you out of business Gom, you guys suck.
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
StarMasterX
Profile Joined February 2010
United States113 Posts
September 02 2010 08:55 GMT
#391
Whoa what? Theres obviously no chance in hell me or anybody I know would pay to watch this. Damn I was looking forward to it too. I suppose I'll try to find restreams but other than that I won't be watching.
Tomasdk
Profile Joined June 2010
Slovakia10 Posts
September 02 2010 09:10 GMT
#392
No chance. I looked so forward to this but this is not acceptable.
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
September 02 2010 09:11 GMT
#393
20 bucks for stream, well that's alot but GSL is how long? 1 month right? You pay 10 bucks for MLG weekend stream, so looking at it again it might not be 2bad of a deal at all.
Freedom is the most contageous virus known to men.
gugarutz
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria110 Posts
September 02 2010 09:25 GMT
#394
it's absurd to demand that much money for vids of a such new game, it cannot get popular this way.
assuming blizz/gomtv don't want to increase their earnings only for this year, it's a absolutly bad marketing strategy.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
September 02 2010 09:27 GMT
#395
It's like asking to pay for watching a soccer match on tv. I'm not doing this.
eLZyBee
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom34 Posts
September 02 2010 09:36 GMT
#396
I don't know for sure whether GOM are making a huge mistake here or if they've taken a great gamble on the actual popularity of SCII, but my gut feeling is they've overestimated.

I won't be paying for the stream or the vods because;

I won't be free to watch all the matches I want to.

I don't trust the GOMTV streaming service.

I will need more than the given month to watch all the VODS.

I don't want to support a company that doesn't seem to understand or care about its audience.

I really do want to support the Liquid team out there but I guess I'll have to wave my TL flag somewhere else.
gg
Kaasflipje
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands198 Posts
September 02 2010 10:14 GMT
#397
Mhm I think I'll just download the vods from a torrent or something.
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
September 02 2010 10:20 GMT
#398
i wonder if jon747, who usually upload MBC and OGN matches to youtube, will be able to upload the korean version of the GSL. my guess is that Gom is gonna ask youtube to take it down.
...from the land of imba
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
September 02 2010 10:22 GMT
#399
Voted yes for the stream because it's only 20$. No big deal.
If it was more then 50$ I wouldn't but for 20$ yeah sure why not.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
Nilaus
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark159 Posts
September 02 2010 10:29 GMT
#400
On September 02 2010 17:32 kar1181 wrote:
But at the end of the day, people need to get paid, and particularly the fact that GOM are giving people like Artosis and Tasteless money to get by, means we, if we are in a position to do so, should support them.


So basically this is a charity for Tasteless and Artosis? Why don't you donate 25$ to each of them directly, as I am sure they will get a larger share of that.

I hope (and think) that Tasteless and Artosis are as frustrated by this as everyone else is, but of course they can't speak up against their employee. We can only hope that they have some clout with the organisation and can help persuade them of the benefits of free/cheap streams and VODs.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:30
Rotti's PatchesSC Open
RotterdaM1180
TKL 323
IndyStarCraft 250
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1180
TKL 323
IndyStarCraft 250
JuggernautJason41
ZombieGrub41
ProTech17
EnDerr 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16206
Calm 3088
Mini 147
Dewaltoss 135
Soulkey 116
Hm[arnc] 15
scan(afreeca) 10
League of Legends
Doublelift2463
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu462
Other Games
Grubby2872
fl0m1946
Coldzera 1283
Beastyqt737
FrodaN624
crisheroes582
shahzam514
mouzStarbuck313
XaKoH 260
C9.Mang0169
KnowMe80
ArmadaUGS70
Trikslyr48
ViBE32
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1021
angryscii14
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21758
League of Legends
• TFBlade888
Other Games
• imaqtpie1261
• Scarra549
• Shiphtur172
Upcoming Events
The PiG Daily
5m
BASILISK vs TBD
Serral vs Rogue
Korean StarCraft League
5h 5m
GSL
14h 5m
AI Arena Tournament
20h 5m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
GSL
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.