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On September 02 2010 10:43 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 10:23 Vz0 wrote: Interesting question:
What if the stream is 1.) 100% Smooth 2.) 1080p + 3D Ready
??? on wikipedia, its claimed that most ppl watch GomTV for pr0n. if they offer 3D ready streams... ... i found no reasons not to pay for it :D
That's what people use the gom media player for. I don't think gomtv streams porn...?
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On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:
But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread. If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in. 1723 people in the poll. 53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650 1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000 It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.
1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be. 2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment. 3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it. Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports? So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans. So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say?
I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion... You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale.
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aaaaaaaand I just lost all faith in SC2 "esports."
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On September 02 2010 15:28 Go0g3n wrote: Korean viewership in millions of viewers is all the matters to OGN, MBC and GOM. None of them will be getting any money from traditional advertising in free Internet broadcast to western or any international audience. Same applies to every single broadcaster around the globe. - Advertisers pay minimum for online viewers even from the region, compared to actual rated viewers for regular television broadcasts. - Advertisers pay nothing for global audience (which is why, for example, US broadcasters do not allow non US/Canada viewers watch shows w/ integrated ads for free on their websites). - The only way to establish this kind of service, in this case - English-speaking broadcast, is to charge a solid fee, which can't be too low, since they are obviously planning to expand and later on offer $100+ (probably $250+) packages for other tournaments, yearly subscriptions for the Team and Solo leagues and so on.
1. US channel websites (ie comedy central) are not viewable from Canadian IP address because the Canadian channels (ie comedy network) purchased the Canadian broadcast rights, including internet casts.
2. you can still get paid for international audience. look at youtube.
3. there are sufficient amount of revenue to be generated from online ads to support streaming service. look at how many ppl are offering streams of their own bnet matches. how do you expect companies like ustream survive?
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On September 02 2010 16:01 Zanez.smarty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:
But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread. If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in. 1723 people in the poll. 53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650 1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000 It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.
1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be. 2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment. 3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it. Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports? So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans. So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say? I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion... You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale.
The only backing you have is that it doesn't make sense to your uninformed mind, thus there must be a conspiracy or racism involved.
Ok, let's take Blizzard out of the picture as you so ferverently wish. Have you ever wondered why streams out of Korea are so bad. The pipe that links Korea to the rest of the world is not good. Within Korea, internet is lightning fast but connecting from overseas is slow. But ofcourse you have no way of knowing that. Then, GOM has two options: either relocate all their servers to the US or jack up the price so they can handle the limited traffic. But once again, you don't know that for sure, but you call GOM stupid or racist because you can't understand their motivations.
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Intel and Blizzard are both western companies based in the United States. I am sure they are thrilled with the idea that the tournament they are backing is charging such a huge amount that no one in the United States are ever going to watch to see their ads and their game.
On September 02 2010 16:12 junkacc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 16:01 Zanez.smarty wrote:On September 02 2010 15:40 junkacc wrote:On September 02 2010 15:24 Zanez.smarty wrote:On September 02 2010 15:19 Go0g3n wrote:
But this is not about profits, obviously... Look at the number of people who are going to pay for this stream! The poll is on the front page of this thread. If this were about profits, they would charge something like 20$ for both streaming and vods, because more people would buy it, meaning more money would come in. 1723 people in the poll. 53 people spending 50$ would get them $2650 1000 people spending 5$ would get them $5000 It is likely that they will earn far more money by charging less money for their service.
1. It's never about instantaneous profits and never will be. 2. Korean broadcasters in the end only care about Korean viewership in millions, not foreigner Internet viewers in thousands (tens of thousands at the very best), it's more of a courtesy or an experiment. 3. A TL.net poll (bottom right corner) shows 3% Yes and 11% Posslble, - numbers likely to increase if any of the foreigners makes it into top 16 or further and follows it up with some good games in earlier rounds. 15% out of 4000 is already 600x50$ (or even 600x20$), which is more than enough to pay 5 people (2 casters, director, technicians) a monthly wage, support the thing and build on it. Instantaneous Profits are one thing, but they must surely know this will damage their future profits from the west as well. So why don't they care about the west? Why is Korea all that matters with esports? So what is your point? First you accuse GOM of racism then you retract that. Then you speculate on what's going on behind the scenes but you have no way of knowing for sure. The only thing you're saying is that GOM is stupid but you have no idea why they're doing what they are. It's just wild speculation on your part. You've blamed everyone except Blizzard so far and come up with convoluted scenarios to take Blizzard out of the loop in these shenanigans. So what on earth is your point in all this? You have no idea about the cost structure incurred by GOM nor the internals of the contract between GOM and Blizzard. What are you trying to say? I didn't accuse them of racism, nor did I retract it. I said xenophobia is a potential explanation. Along with pure stupidity, bandwidth costs, desire to keep viewership numbers and/or profits low and such. This is a forum in which ideas can be explored. I am simply bringing up discussions... you taking it so deeply to heart is your own personal problem. I have never claimed to know WHY they are charging such ridiculous prices, and it is certainly possible that Blizzard could be responsible... But I am brainstorming ideas and explanations, not because I want someone to blame, not because I want to seem smart, but because I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy having debates and discussions. Not my fault that you can't have a decent discussion... You seem to want to blame Blizzard, but you can't seem to find anything to back it up. All my theories have had some backing and rationale. The only backing you have is that it doesn't make sense to your uninformed mind, thus there must be a conspiracy or racism involved. Ok, let's take Blizzard out of the picture as you so ferverently wish. Have you ever wondered why streams out of Korea are so bad. The pipe that links Korea to the rest of the world is not good. Within Korea, internet is lightning fast but connecting from overseas is slow. But ofcourse you have no way of knowing that. Then, GOM has two options: either relocate all their servers to the US or jack up the price so they can handle the limited traffic. But once again, you don't know that for sure, but you call GOM stupid or racist because you can't understand their motivations.
Sir, sir... for a person with a name like "junkacc" you really seem to take this stuff personally...
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What makes you think I'm taking it seriously. I'm having fun taking apart your simpleton reasoning.
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I'm going to pay, I do think it is too expensive, and I do have some concerns about the quality and performance of the stream.
But a) They are paying members of our community, to cast in English. b) This supports e-sports directly, and the e-sport I'm interested in specifically. c) I want to watch the games ASAP!
I know a lot of people have spoken out quite strongly against the GOM approach and the arguments are certainly with a lot of merit. But at the end of the day, people need to get paid, and particularly the fact that GOM are giving people like Artosis and Tasteless money to get by, means we, if we are in a position to do so, should support them.
We should offer constructive feedback too. I certainly will. But I think reflexive criticism (no one likes to pay, we need to be upfront about that) will not see things improve.
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i wonder how many ppl will actually end up paying for it?
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I am not paying $20 a month (which is more than I pay for cable/ internet each month) for an online stream that is WAY out of my timezone. Gom couldnt even wait a few months before strong arming us into paying, if they did this with the second or third season I could see that, but damn.
Watch this 3 months in a row and you PAY FOR THE DAMN GAME AGAIN. I can see why Kespa ran you out of business Gom, you guys suck.
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Whoa what? Theres obviously no chance in hell me or anybody I know would pay to watch this. Damn I was looking forward to it too. I suppose I'll try to find restreams but other than that I won't be watching.
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No chance. I looked so forward to this but this is not acceptable.
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20 bucks for stream, well that's alot but GSL is how long? 1 month right? You pay 10 bucks for MLG weekend stream, so looking at it again it might not be 2bad of a deal at all.
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it's absurd to demand that much money for vids of a such new game, it cannot get popular this way. assuming blizz/gomtv don't want to increase their earnings only for this year, it's a absolutly bad marketing strategy.
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It's like asking to pay for watching a soccer match on tv. I'm not doing this.
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I don't know for sure whether GOM are making a huge mistake here or if they've taken a great gamble on the actual popularity of SCII, but my gut feeling is they've overestimated.
I won't be paying for the stream or the vods because;
I won't be free to watch all the matches I want to.
I don't trust the GOMTV streaming service.
I will need more than the given month to watch all the VODS.
I don't want to support a company that doesn't seem to understand or care about its audience.
I really do want to support the Liquid team out there but I guess I'll have to wave my TL flag somewhere else.
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Mhm I think I'll just download the vods from a torrent or something.
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i wonder if jon747, who usually upload MBC and OGN matches to youtube, will be able to upload the korean version of the GSL. my guess is that Gom is gonna ask youtube to take it down.
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Voted yes for the stream because it's only 20$. No big deal. If it was more then 50$ I wouldn't but for 20$ yeah sure why not.
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On September 02 2010 17:32 kar1181 wrote: But at the end of the day, people need to get paid, and particularly the fact that GOM are giving people like Artosis and Tasteless money to get by, means we, if we are in a position to do so, should support them.
So basically this is a charity for Tasteless and Artosis? Why don't you donate 25$ to each of them directly, as I am sure they will get a larger share of that.
I hope (and think) that Tasteless and Artosis are as frustrated by this as everyone else is, but of course they can't speak up against their employee. We can only hope that they have some clout with the organisation and can help persuade them of the benefits of free/cheap streams and VODs.
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