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On August 30 2010 05:55 The PWNion wrote:In defense mode: they stated the quality of HD, as it is a relative term when you think about it.
I heard them say HD numerous times on the stream with no "relatively" involved.
http://www.mlgpro.com/live/purchaseHD/
Says nothing about the actual resolution of the stream just the total bit rate of 1.6mbit/s which is about half than most true HD streams, Its false advertising nomatter how you look at it.
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I felt like there was very little decent documentation on how to get octoshape to work for various OS's. Everyone had to find a detailed tutorial deep in a teamliquid or reddit thread in order to even watch. You should also post the octoshape url on the actual page underneath the flash app so that people don't have to search through the html source to find it. Put a help link that doesn't link to an empty forum. Just write a quick page with how to get it working in windows and mac and linux users will figure it out from that.
Other than that, I would have liked more continuous commentary. Be aware of what games are about to occur and get the commentators in there before they start. There's nothing wrong with delaying a game a few minutes if it is up for being casted.
Also, the crowd couldn't get into it for some reason. I heard that they had a hard time hearing the casters. Just get a couple booths and only use them for casted games, that way the true spectatorship can come through. Pick the most interesting sounding non mirror matchup per group and cast that one.
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More seating for the live audience. The 2 benches weren't quite enough. Granted, SC2 is new to MLG, so you guys have to feel it out.
Also, devote 2 computers to the livecasted games. Put them away from the audience, and have some soundproofing headphones or something. That way the live audience can hear the commentary too.
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The biggest piece of feedback I can offer is: hire someone for official player communication.
This is based on three things:
1. I responded to the email asking for our official handle. The official news post later on had a "." (period) after my handle, something that was not included in my response. I then sent off another email asking that the period be removed and never received a response (not even a "we can't do that now").
2. I couldn't find a place to submit my driver request, so I emailed the three people mentioned in our confirmation email. The only response I received contained the text "Same response." and nothing else. I have no idea what "Same response." means?
3. I posted on the teamliquid MLG rules thread to confirm that we could check-in as late as 5:00 PM, but figured I was reading the schedule right. Then the email went out about a player's meeting at 3:00 PM which I would be unable to make, and I replied upon seeing it to confirm that it wasn't mandatory (about 2 hours after that email was sent). On this, I am mostly to fault for waiting to confirm the latest allowable check-in time, but as I wasn't 100% sure I would be allowed to play arriving close to 5:00 PM, I didn't take the time to drive up.
Overall the streaming and casting of the event was great from home. Very well done.  However, it would be helpful to have an improved communication system for those of us attending for fun (ie. don't want to deal with much hassle, especially as we do not have a realistic chance at the top 8). Perhaps one does exist already that I didn't know about, but if so, then add that to the official rules as I did not see it mentioned there.
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It was a great tournament overall but a few things could be done better, better games streamed, eg in the first round (maybe see which of the show ups are worth watching in the first round before streaming them, kind of disapointed how we didnt see any kiwikaki until the WB finals and then it was just pvp).
Interviews with big names after good wins (vs another well known player) would be good too. Casting was pretty good not a fan of Hd or husky but they done an alright job of it.
Stream quality was great that should be the benchmark for other tournaments like IEM.
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On August 30 2010 02:51 Endorsed wrote:Great for the players bad for the spectators.
A group stage followed by single elim is good for players and spectators. It lets bad players have more than 2 games (probably not a big priority, but its cool to get more people playing in tournaments), and good players can still suffer a cheese loss.
Once it goes to single elim the bracket is very clear with regard to quarter, semi, grand finals, etc. This is good for spectators.
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On August 30 2010 05:18 HDstarcraft wrote:I guess nobody took the joke when i said i only played 1 game a week.  Thanks for the great feedback though! For reference though I mostly play cg in house games.
It was great. People in IRC were taking your seriously. God, I love the internet.
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It would be amazingly awesome for the early rounds if there was some way to let casters switch between games. I don't know if MLG has a spectator in every game, but if they did some kind of kvm switch so casters could be like "great game, lets watch it" and just pop in.
But again, once it gets down to bo8 then the games should really be staggered so they are all cast. I still can't believe socke vs lastshadow was not cast when they were 2 of the 4 last players.
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What I would have loved to see:
1. Crowd view - I have no clue what the reception was as far as spectators go (though it seems like it went well). The same as other games broadcasting goes (BW in Korea, Halo for MLG), they show the crowd and that helps you grasp the event better as a nerd sitting watching on your PC. I wanna see cheerfuls!
2. FP Views - I heard reports of how fast some of the players were (for example, Silver being Korean-level speed wise) and it is great to see that on screen. Again, something that is integral for casting for other games, and I'd like to see it for SC2. Would really give the casual audience a grasp of how insanely skilled some of these guys are.
Those are the two main things. Can't think of anything else major atm.
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the damn commercials 
I know it's not your fault... but omgg... 1st 2nd 3rd time... it's ok... but i just felt SPAMMED with the same commercials over and over. Hell at the end I was jokeing with one of my friend and we were mimicing the voice!
Besides that JP + DAY9 = awesome combo...
Day9 talks and is verry interesting and JP takes the lead when day9 has notting to say OR bring back day9 to reality when he's going crazy!
HD and Huskey... I like husky and what he has to say just taht sometime I feel like he's an SCKLOPEDIA and it feels boring. HD...well sorry bro... it seems you have an hard time to watch the camera... you mouth is 90% open uke! and so much more. I think you have the FRAME to be a good caster... you just need to get better. Tho your online casts are fun
Besides that... No zergs in the final or even NEAR it.... yay! Make sure at least 1 zerg gets in the final next time
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Only minor criticisms are:
1) Showing the brackets once in a while. If that is the format the viewers should know where we are in the proceedings. Make a graphic and put it up in between rounds. A few times the casters had no idea and played it off with jokes but meh, if you want it to be e-SPORTS, make it more sporting-event-like.
2) Echoing what someone said at the beginning about play-by-play vs. color commentary "roles" of the casters. Overlap was weird sometimes but not a huge deal. (Oh, and HD doesn't seem to know the names of some of the units or messes them up way too much live to be on a cast without some practice.)
3) Something more interesting than showing the winner and losers pack up their mouse and keyboard after the match. Either show updated brackets(!) or do a quick player interview.
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Enjoyed alot of the Day[9] / JP casting, these two togheter just crack me up... Not only are they spot on with what happens during the games, they bring a nice touch of humor and to me they feel like an old couple. Overall awesomeness. You can feel the deep passion for the game whenever something sc2 related is being said.
On the other hand about the HDH casters, i respect what they are doing with the tournaments and their effort to promote esports, even tho sometimes i feel their are just greedy for money aswell as trying to become famous people and jumped on the sc2 opportunity to try and achieve their goals.
From a player with a decent game knowledge they are just pissing me off, as someone mentioned above. So many mistakes, not paying attention to what really matters, getting overhyped for nothing, screaming in my ears... Enough of that please. Had to turn off the stream whenever one of those two were on air.
I can understand why so many people like them though, if i was the average joe playing starcraft and found their youtube channels i'd probably like them too.
To resolve this, i propose having two streams, streaming the same games. One stream with Sean/JP and one stream with HDH, this way the viewer gets to choose who he wants to listen while watching the games. That is assuming all the negative feedback didn't scare the organizers away from using HDH as casters ever again.
All in all there is many casters who i feel are way underrated but overall alot more competent and would fit alot better in place of the HDH combo, but hey that is just my opinion.
Can't comment much on the other aspects of the event as i turned the stream off pretty quickly due to the reasons mentioned above. I would have liked the audience to have seats tho, that is very unproffessional and if i traveled there to be a part of the crowd i'd be ranting big time.
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I think you guys should be in a bikini or something. Err..
What I mean is.
MLG, IEM etc should not take these things so seriously. It's not mainstream. All kind of goofy stuff would be sooo much fun. Day9 stand-up stuff was a step to right direction.
e-sports, be different!
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Great event but it all happened so fast....
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Btw: Ask professor scraw was golden :D
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Overall I thought the event was quite good.
One of the main issues I had with watching it was that I couldn't full screen or the edges would disappear, leaving half the mini-map and the supply count gone. But the stream did have excellent quality other than that.
Day9/JP make a really good combo and games just seemed to flow much better when they were casting vs. HDH.
I understand that it was HDH's first time casting together in an event like this, and they did a pretty good job considering. I think they just need some more experience casting together and need to work on a couple things like looking into the camera more.
I also think that there should be a camera on the crowd to get some shots of them especially early game (I really like how they do this in most Korean BW matches).
Also its awesome that this thread was even made- I'm glad you're open to criticism and trying to improve
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I think alot of people are sucked in on the day9 bandwagon. To be honest looking at it from a nautral standpoint, both HD and Husky did good. Some variety is always needed. Only thing I have to fault them on (as in IEM). Is the sound guy. In the IEM the sound guy had to play WoW music all the time and it was louder than the casters. In MLG the sound of Husky va so high.
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I was at the tournament in person, so I'll give my two cents:
First 3 minor criticisms:
SC2/PC gaming were tucked into the corner, while all the other games had space on all sides so spectators could view the players from any angle - this made it really difficult to see the non-broadcasted SC2 games in the early rounds. People would crowd around one side of the competition area to watch whatever match happened to be placed near the outer perimeter.
The volume at which the broadcasted game was played was really quiet considering I could distinctly hear gameplay from Halo 3 all across the arena. At times I wished I could stream the game from inside the event just to hear the audio...
Also, 5PM wasn't a great time for the final, I'd like to have seen it later in the evening.
Basically my only complaints are tied to the fact that SC2 is new at MLG, and I expect these things will be fixed as it becomes more popular and inevitably becomes the biggest MLG event. Overall the tournament was great, a lot of fun to attend, and if I have the chance I'd love to go in person again
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On August 29 2010 22:28 qoiN wrote:
Maybe you should add a poll or so before ro64 starts so people can vote what games they want to see. Nony raping a noob isn't really interesting, machine vs inc would be far better.
Also it would be great if you could fix the full-screen mode of the stream so it automatically fits depending on which ratio you use 4:3/16:10 etc, couldn't watch it in full-screen since the whole mini-map was cut off pretty much :[
lol, sorry you had to see that...it was definitely one-sided. In MLG's defense, Nony was the most high profiled player at the tournament and given his affiliation with TL, it makes sense to cast his games first regardless of whether he was playing a noob (me ) or a better player.
From a player's perspective:
-Brackets should be made available, both online and at the event, immediately following the start of the tournament...at the latest.
-Given the number of people who were watching the main sc2 screen, I hope sc2 is given more floor space and better spectating conditions in DC and future events.
-The mic needs to be louder or the sc2 matches should be announced on the main mic. I found there were times when I had no idea matches were being announced because the location changed (sometimes they were announced at the front entrance to the sc2 section and other times at the main screen). I couldn't hear the mic if I was at the front and the announcement was made at the back and vice-versa.
-The pause rule needs to be looked at.
Anyway, I had a blast like I always do at the MLG events and it was nice meeting you and the rest of the casting crew/refs/players.
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I did read some posts scratching this topic, but I think it's quite underestimated - or maybe overestimated by me.
But there needs to be some serious talk about the caster-fashion.
First of all, the hoodie was a huge blunder, obviously (as stated quite often already).
But more important, wearing a suit/jacket does not make you "professional". It rather takes alot of individualism out of the casterscene. There's just nothing as good to look at like a nice T-shirt. I really do not enjoy watching two guys wearing the exactly same, boring black jacket all day long.
The best example to round this argument up remains Tasteless. I don't think I need to go into any detail here.
So, please don't stick with this fashionstyle. And if you do, at least give the casters some proper stuff to wear underneath those jackets, it really did look awkward.
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