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Dexerion
Profile Joined May 2010
United States43 Posts
August 30 2010 02:25 GMT
#261
PUT UP THE BRACKET LIVE AT THE EVENT. Seems so obvious, 1 projector, 1 laptop, some software, done.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
August 30 2010 02:30 GMT
#262
I loved it! Casters were great, games were amazing! Only complaint would be MORE GAMES casted haha. 5/5!
RIP MBC Game Hero
wolfe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States761 Posts
August 30 2010 02:33 GMT
#263
More tournament info as was posted above such as player stats, live brackets, etc.

More casts and a higher quality stream please and thank you
Swift as the wind, felt before noticed.
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
August 30 2010 02:35 GMT
#264
Great casting overall, here's some suggestions:

a) Matching uniforms/outfits for the casters, kind of like you see the Koreans do it. It adds a lot to the professional image. Also buy Husky some shampoo and a better haircut.

b) Replays between sets when it's a boX for people who tuned into between matches.

c) More crowd shots
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
August 30 2010 02:37 GMT
#265
I was pretty dissapointed with the fact that despite Sjow getting into best of 8 and went all the way from europe but still didn't get any coverage of his games. You had two europeans there but only one was covered.

As far as casting went I'm pretty happy. Any combo with day9 worked well. Still a bit annoyed that HD and Husky lack knowledge about current trends. They don't seem to be watching replays of players outside of US server at all. A lot of european tourneys have showcased a variety of styles and so have many of the korean replays out there. I'm just saying. if you make money off of your commentating you should do your homework a bit better.

Maybe it's just the experience as a commentator. I'm pretty sure JP has the lowest ammount of knowledge but he never says stupid or ignorant stuff ont he stream. He holds himself to what he knows and is obviously the most skilled caster here imo (in the craft of casting).
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
August 30 2010 02:41 GMT
#266
On August 29 2010 22:16 BigBadSkathe wrote:
My biggest complaint is an issue that plagues other tournaments/events as well. There needs to be clearly defined caster roles. In pro sports during broadcasts there is always one clearly defined play-by-play commentator and one clearly defined color commentator, there is no overlap. It seems with all E-Sports the commentators both seem to want to do both, and it ends up with both of them trying to talk over each other, or worse, contradicting what the other person just said (accidentally or on purpose).



i think this guy nailed it, i would like to see people with good voices but with a little less knowledge commentate on what buildings are building etc, and colour commentator explains it.
Forsti.henning
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany220 Posts
August 30 2010 02:46 GMT
#267
awesome! next time invite me for commentating *g*

no i was awake the whole night and crossed my fingers for "socke the awesome" sadly he lost vs kiwi altough he should have won both by strategy. i hope to see more of you guys!
Meekee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States46 Posts
August 30 2010 04:39 GMT
#268
I just wanted to add that I think MLG could do the community and competitive Starcraft a huge favor by talking with ProdiG and create a weekly online league where people could qualify by points for seeding into LAN tourneys. The main purpose of this league would be to use community made maps instead of blizzard maps. You could use these to get map balance feedback and as well to popularize some of the really nice community maps coming out. These maps keep things interesting as well as allow map makers and the community to create maps that can even out perceived imbalances or maps that allow for unique and interesting strats. For example (this isn't a good idea imo) have a completely flat map, whoa now reaper play is useless and maybe we see some other stuff go on in the early game TvZ.

Obviously you can't just throw players into a new map pool without practice. Get together with some of the more well know guys/ custom map community to produce high-quality maps. Then announce what will be used within a given season/event at least 2-3 months? ahead so people can practice. Also, I would guess you want to slowly rotate in one or two map in at a time so guys don't have to learn 6 maps at a time.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
August 30 2010 05:19 GMT
#269
I thought overall for the very first MLG tournament with Starcraft 2 it was handled phenomenally.

I mean jeeze.. on day 2 there were so many people in the starcraft "corner". As for a suggestion on next time. I wish it would have been easier to see them playing live. Only if you got lucky could you see someone who was playing at station 6 of 12.. granted this probably distracts the players being right next to that huge crowd, but it is essentially what people went to see.
Moves
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
August 30 2010 06:13 GMT
#270
Utilizing a replay of another match and casting it to fill time would be a uniwue way to fill time and provide content. You could show a big upset, or a well played pro shootout.

Overall, everything was good. more game content.

I will get the next. Maybe a "Season Pass" option.

+1 the idea of a second desk that tracks the results and action. Maybe a board you can go to live and update advance players.
simulatedvacuum
Profile Joined October 2009
United States64 Posts
August 30 2010 06:19 GMT
#271
I bought the HD stream, and while the video of the casters/interviews/etc looked great, the in game video was being streamed at a much lower resolution. My thoughts:

1) Charging for a stream is fine. I'll gladly support starcraft e-sports by paying for a quality broadcast. The MLG video player is kind of shit, but you can view the stream through VLC easily enough. I'd ask for some kind of replay feature, though. Starcraft is very much a global sport, and it would be nice if people could replay videos whenever they want through the weekend so that they don't have to stay up to weird hours to watch the games.

2) Make sure the in game video is being captured at the correct resolution. As far as I could tell, the in game footage was being captured at the standard def rate only, which was a major letdown.

3) I don't know what your policy is on replays, but here's a thought. It's impossible for you guys to cast 100% of the matches, but there's a huge group of people who cast matches and post to youtube/whatever. What if you send out replays as they're played to volunteer casters, so that people who care about a random round of 16 match that isn't being featured can actually see it. Finding people to cast would be no problem, as simply getting exposure from people looking for MLG matches would be worth it for them. For all we know there could have been an amazing match that nobody has seen because it wasn't one of those chosen to be cast.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
August 30 2010 06:32 GMT
#272
- I love the energy HD/Husky brings to the commentary booth and if they could add some pro-SC2-knowledge to their shows I think they could become HUGE!

- D9 is sooo good (im a fanboy btw) and he and JP just make an awesome team. Cred to both of you.

- As said before, I'd also love to see some brackets now and then as well as some more player interviews.

- Start the HHJF - "Husky Haircut and Jacket Fund".

- Fridays SC2-event started at 23.30 CET (and ended at 06.00 CET) and Saturday's event started around 16.00 CET. Would it be possible to rerun the whole Friday between say 09.00 and 15.00 CET on Saturday? Would make it a lot easier for us Europeans to watch the whole event. (This might have been the case, I do not know as the idea just now struck me). Maybe its too much of a hassle to do the rerun, but it's an idea.

- Get more accounts for the commentators. Set them up so that if 1 series finishes they can jump right into an ongoing series by the press of a button. Get someone to oversee the joining of casters into games and make sure that there is always something to watch. A director of some kind.

All in all, I had a good time!

Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
August 30 2010 06:55 GMT
#273
Never, ever allow the Old Spice Report anywhere near my screen again. The little bit we did see was an atrocity and an affront to intelligent people everywhere.

Other than that, everything on-screen flowed pretty well. I would like to see more clear tournament brackets, preferably on the stream occasionally. It's nice to hear the commentators sum up what we didn't get to see.
whole lies with a half smile
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 07:03:55
August 30 2010 06:59 GMT
#274
On August 29 2010 22:26 s.a.y wrote:
6. Buy Husky a suit.


Or, better yet, realize that a jacket and a T-shirt looks absolutely ridiculous (this isn't Miami Vice) and wear an actual suit or just wear normal clothing like Husky did.

7. Overall, it was a good event.


Agreed.

It was a bit difficult to follow exactly what was going on with the standings, if you could have some graphics and a regular overview of who's won what, that'd be great.

EDIT:

On August 30 2010 15:55 Node wrote:
Never, ever allow the Old Spice Report anywhere near my screen again. The little bit we did see was an atrocity and an affront to intelligent people everywhere.


This. That was absolutely atrocious. The worst kind of lowest common denominator astroturfed faux content.Old Spice went from amusing me (guy on horse, building kick) to making me want to boycott their products.
whatsgrackalackin420
sas01
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada303 Posts
August 30 2010 07:18 GMT
#275
First, it was a awesome event cuz everything went fairly smoothly with the tournament (ie. no drama of any sort) so thats always good..

-As far as improvements go i would like to say that the casters had to 'stall' for too long while everyone was getting prepared to play, so i think you can fill up this time with some other content like interviews, and etc...

-Also after you guys randomly put the players in the brackets, you can maybe 'fix' it a little so that players from the same team don't have to play each other in the first round...

thats about it, all in all i had a lot of fun watching it, some epic games and great casting from everyone!!
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
August 30 2010 07:38 GMT
#276
Agree with much of what was said here.

My main complaint with the event was the crappy streaming system - took me forever to get it to work, and even then it would regularly freeze or just spaz out - to some hilarious results at times, but still annoying to have to restart the browser in the middle of matches. I've read that people have had better success with external players, so maybe you should provide more support/information on how to use that (with the HD stream too). Oh, and definitely try to get better "HD" quality - I've mostly bought the premium stream more as reciprocation for the community support, but you should have 720p video for that price if you are going to advertise it as so - or at least 576p.

Also kind of annoying was figuring out the brackets, especially during day one when all of it was pretty messed up in the gotfrag page at times. You really should provide an easy way to access it directly on the MLG site, and show it occasionally during the stream itself too. It's kind of sad at times that even the commentators were clueless as to the results of matches and have to bring up the website on to the screen. Looks really unprofessional to me.

I have little critique for the commentators themselves, who did a mostly fine job. There were awkward moments of inaction though that could be better filled with content and such, such as just roving cameras to let the online watchers see the showgrounds and get a more complete feel of the scope and mood of the event. More interviews would've also been nice.

I did like the double elimination format though, gives the MLG circuit a more unique feel in the regards. The "extended finals" though were rather disappointing though - should've just been loser needs to win two sets of bo3s (or even 2 bo5s, to give the final a more final feel), while the winner needs just one.

Overall, it was an enjoyable experience though. Definitely looking forwards to the next show at DC(?)!
What this
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
August 30 2010 11:26 GMT
#277
Another tidbit:

You guys made a big hype elsewhere about "Championship Sunday" which is cool... but it kinda sucked that SC2 was not a part of that. I know that it was the first go, but in the future, I'd love to see the entire tournament spread among the 3 days, with SC2 being a part of the "Championship Sunday". It might've even allowed for us to see some more of the games casted.

And the game sounds comment was spot-on.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 11:55:08
August 30 2010 11:50 GMT
#278
OK I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if this is repeated elsewhere, but here's my brief list of things:

After day one they rebroadcasted the entire feed. This was a FANTASTIC idea, anyone who missed the games or lives in a different timezone was able to watch the games. Yet they didn't do this for Day 2. WHY? I hardly got to see any of the finals due to timezone differences, why would they stop doing this halfway through the tournament.

As far as casting goes I thought the casting during games was fantastic from all 4 guys, but between games everyone except Day9 seemed to struggle to find things to talk about. There was SO much that could have been talked about in between games such as:

Talking about the players - I would love to know some of their backstory, rivalries, strengths, weaknesses etc etc.

Talking about the brackets and matchups - it would be great if they could actually explain before each match where the players are in the brackets and who will likely play who if such and such happens. Perhaps a graphic to help this as well would be useful.

Actual player interviews between matches as others have mentioned.

All the above stuff is much more interesting than hearing about the destructible rocks on blistering sands for the 100th time.

Also can I suggest that the casters shouldn't be the ones having to organise the games. It's hard enough for them to find ways to entertain the audience between games without having to find the players, ask them what maps they want and invite them to games at the same time. They need to have a 3rd person doing this so the casters are free to focus 100% of their energy on casting.

Lastly. Double elimination format is great, definitely keep this.


Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
fourzerofour
Profile Joined July 2010
United States13 Posts
August 30 2010 11:56 GMT
#279
On August 30 2010 01:31 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 01:29 alexpnd wrote:

- Chairs for the crowd!


This x100.


This x100 more
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 11:59:58
August 30 2010 11:58 GMT
#280
Stream quality wasn't great, but certainly viewable. The HD-upgrade however was more like a bad joke if you ask me. Otherwise it was an awesome tournament, Awesome casting. Thanks alot!

Start the HHJF - "Husky Haircut and Jacket Fund".

Haha indeed!
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