EPT[D] Points system - Page 4
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On August 29 2010 19:13 Inori wrote: For example in chess 1500 is mid, 1800 - good and 2200+ is pro level. This was true 30 years ago. This will be true 30 years from now. google "FIDE inflation" | ||
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Gruntt
United States175 Posts
If the inflation rate never ends, then those that played well early on will benefit. If you stop playing for a while, obviously you will fall behind skill-wise, but you receive benefit for doing so well when you had, and your pool gathers up accordingly. Although I'm one of the biggest bonus pool abusers in this game... so I guess that always helps  | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Fishermang
Norway56 Posts
I am one of those casual players  | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
A couple weeks ago it was me against 800 point players, now its against 1200 point players. (I am 38-24 at this point) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:40 Klockan3 wrote: You don't know how the rating works, not at all. None does but the designers working for Blizzard. It could be that the bonus pool artificially inflates the ratings but we don't know that and we wont know that until either Blizzard makes an official statement or in at least a few months. And look at these arguments: 1. It takes a long while for the system to stabilize when everyone starts out at x rating. chess haven't had a situation like this in ages. 2. If suddenly the whole world started to play competitive chess then everyones chess ranking would get a huge increase simply because the system puts all new players at the same ranking and most of the world are way worse than the worst parts of the competitive chess community. 3. The top players scores increases faster than the bonus pool adds points. You are completely missing the point. Bonus pool creates a large inflation. This is a FACT. No matter how match making works the points you see in your profile is increasing. This creates massive problems for the player. Now if I want to know if I have improved there is no baseline for me to compare myself to since 1000 points. today could be the same as 500 points last week. This inflation is stupid and serves only to boost the egos of those that don't understand. Bonus pool inflates POINTS - Rating is something we don't see and will most likely not see for a long time so it's meaningless as a visual indicator of improvement. EDIT: On September 18 2010 20:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: I hate the system, I dont get to play very much so I am constantly behind everybody because of the bonus points. I have about 650 points in diamond but my hidden rating has me consistently getting matched against people that are at 1100-1200 now. A couple weeks ago it was me against 800 point players, now its against 1200 point players. (I am 38-24 at this point) I get the same thing. I'm around 800 points and always get matched up against 1200-1500 points players. The actual matchmaking is fine, I really enjoy it but what I don't understand is why the system has to hide the fact that I am a 1200-1500 player because of this stupid inflation. I want to be able to look at my points and get a rough idea of if I have improved from last week or not. | ||
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MonkeyKungFu
Norway154 Posts
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 18 2010 20:27 HCastorp wrote: Forget worrying about how many points you have. Worry about what percentile you are in. If it were easy to see global percentile, I would be pretty happy with the current system. Heck, I could even give myself an ICCup style letter grade by matching my percentile against this chart. Small problems, your current percentile is based on your points, which is based on bonus points, which means if you havent used your bonus points like myself then you cant see your real percentile. If I base my percentile on what my opponents seem to be, then that would put me in roughly the top .5%, or in the B+ range (based on total population)... I never even played in iCCup :S I guess it might be more accurate if you ignore platinum and below... as that would be closer to top 5%, or the C/C+ range. | ||
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Hertz
United States26 Posts
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
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Tomtaietot
Romania57 Posts
Seens it doesn t work anymore .... | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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Kelethius
Canada187 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On August 29 2010 20:35 JudoChopper wrote: What about an 80% top Diamond player and a 65% top Diamond player, see what I did there? Not everyone takes the ladder super competitively. People try out new builds, work out kinks in their builds, and have losses left over from when they were a noob. Also because of the bonus pool, someone can get to 1000+ diamond faster than me since I was playing with release at my "true skill" the entire time, while he just blew through a bunch of bad kids to get to where he belongs, getting a 80% record along the way. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On September 18 2010 20:16 Numy wrote: You are completely missing the point. Bonus pool creates a large inflation. This is a FACT. No matter how match making works the points you see in your profile is increasing. This creates massive problems for the player. Now if I want to know if I have improved there is no baseline for me to compare myself to since 1000 points. today could be the same as 500 points last week. This inflation is stupid and serves only to boost the egos of those that don't understand. Bonus pool inflates POINTS - Rating is something we don't see and will most likely not see for a long time so it's meaningless as a visual indicator of improvement. EDIT: I get the same thing. I'm around 800 points and always get matched up against 1200-1500 points players. The actual matchmaking is fine, I really enjoy it but what I don't understand is why the system has to hide the fact that I am a 1200-1500 player because of this stupid inflation. I want to be able to look at my points and get a rough idea of if I have improved from last week or not. The rationale for this is to keep active players closer to the top of the ladder instead of being able to hold a high spot without playing. | ||
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Tomtaietot
Romania57 Posts
And everyone started acumulating bonus pool - it reached 39 ... now .... | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
What bothers me the most is that it completely distorts your perception of whether you are improving or not. A week ago I was struggling to beat guys with 800 points, and now I am going about 50% with guys who have 1000 or more. Does this mean I am doing better? I have no idea, because everyone's score is constantly increasing so fast. Saying that you beat a player with X points, or even posting in the forums that you are an X point player is pointless because a few days later the point of reference becomes obsolete. The only real measurable standard at the moment is sc2ranks, because once you have cleared your bonus pool you can then see how you stack up against everyone in your region (ie: if you move from the top 600 to top 500 then you know you are improving). | ||
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