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On August 29 2010 06:00 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:49 Spiffeh wrote:
As a Zerg watching this MLG series; very boring. But that's my biased view.
Hopefully by next event we'll be a couple patches in and start seeing more Zerg progress through. god stop blaming balance for evry small tourneytrend. iem had 2 zergs in the top3. no P made it out of group. now we have mass Ps evrywhere and no zergs. different players that perform differently. that just happens.
Rofl.
You can blame imbalance for tourney results. Also, amount of any race in top doesn't factor out that the game is imbalanced.
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On August 29 2010 06:00 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:54 vyyye wrote:On August 29 2010 05:50 Deadlyfish wrote:
You dont like MMM? I dont like zerg strategy. Mainly because all they have are like 5 units. Thats it.
Every zerg starts out with zerglings, maybe a few banelings. Then he either goes roach or muta. Rarely goes hydra. Late game it's pretty much the same, maybe even a few corrupters.
Same thing.
What the fuck? A zerg player doesn't have the option to go for any other units early game, as that's all the units he has. How is that the same thing? He said Terran was boring to watch, i said Zerg was boring to watch. Obviously, both statements are an exaggeration.
No there is a difference to that. Terran is boring to watch because it pursues a single strategy all game long(as was shown in the MLG). Zerg may be boring to watch for you because you simply don't understand it or you may feel that they do the same thing over and over again, when really, all they're doing is reacting.
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i found the games were actually pretty exciting for the most part
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On August 29 2010 05:33 RifleCow wrote:
Well, if you see more and more protoss defeating MMM then eventually the meta game will shift to other terran options. I think when protosses get better at using high templar and collosus you'll definately see less and less MMM.
I think when Protosses get better at storms you'll start seeing more effective MMM control.
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This thread has now been filled with trash, i think this thread is only being fueled by narrow minded players at this point. If you think this tourny is boring play random and gain some appreciation for what the players are doing beyond what the commentators are pointing out.
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I do completely agreee that this tourney has been full of boring repetitive games.
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Nah this tourney is really cool and fun to watch 
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On August 29 2010 06:01 BrahminKing wrote:
I personally dont find it boring. I came from Warcraft III and I'm very much used to seeing the same strategies used over and over again only with slight variances. Like for instance orc going bm/sh grunt/raider/spirit every match up every map. The entertainment value(at least for me) doesnt come down to the strategy used but how its utilized. Seeing how they use it and how other players react is enjoyable as there is always variances. There is no such thing as 2 perfectly identicle games.
QFT. I've been enjoying the subtlety, even in PvP.
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ROFL day9 and his girl comments
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On August 29 2010 05:50 Deadlyfish wrote:
You dont like MMM? I dont like zerg strategy. Mainly because all they have are like 5 units. Thats it.
Every zerg starts out with zerglings, maybe a few banelings. Then he either goes roach or muta. Rarely goes hydra. Late game it's pretty much the same, maybe even a few corrupters.
Same thing.
MMM is different from Zerg's "5" units. Zerg needs to take advantage of all their units' abilities and strengths in order to win. That's Zerg strategy. Terran strayegy is MM and more MM. I would hardly call kiting micro as it is so easy to do. The game should have been made around the fact that Terran would NEED to kite in order to win rather then making Terran the winner of any 1-a encounter.
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"My build order when I'm dating is 8 dinner, 10 movie. Around 12 i try to lean in for a kiss and if that fails I try to get back into it with a little bit of harassment... Still in the Bronze league though. Every girl I've ever dated is terran though it's broken."
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On August 29 2010 06:06 Cade wrote:
I do completely agreee that this tourney has been full of boring repetitive games.
Agree with this, I especially feel this has become more obvious in the later stages of tourney.
I dont even look forward to huk vs kiwikaki since they just played very boring games in winner bracket finals.
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This tourney has been nothing short of great. Only real dissapointment is how certain players performed.. or didn't, such as nony and machine :C
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On August 29 2010 06:03 Iggyhopper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:00 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On August 29 2010 05:49 Spiffeh wrote:
As a Zerg watching this MLG series; very boring. But that's my biased view.
Hopefully by next event we'll be a couple patches in and start seeing more Zerg progress through. god stop blaming balance for evry small tourneytrend. iem had 2 zergs in the top3. no P made it out of group. now we have mass Ps evrywhere and no zergs. different players that perform differently. that just happens. Rofl. You can blame imbalance for tourney results. Also, amount of any race in top doesn't factor out that the game is imbalanced.
i never said game is perfectly balanced. im just tired of you guys going "oh look this tourney had 2 X in top3 and no Y in top5! therefore we have proof that X is OP and Y UP!" which is plain stupid.
3P top 3 today. so P is now most OP yes?
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MLG would be sooooo boring but Day9 really saves it with some clutch casting
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Nah. This tournament have been very enjoyable so far. I have found the MUs very exciting, even the mirrors. Maybe you are just bored of SC2 and should go play something else.
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Dunno what tourney OP has been watching, but I'm glad I got the stream for the really awesome MLG Raleigh that seems to be going on at the same time.
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On August 29 2010 06:03 hadoken5 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:00 Deadlyfish wrote:On August 29 2010 05:54 vyyye wrote:On August 29 2010 05:50 Deadlyfish wrote:
You dont like MMM? I dont like zerg strategy. Mainly because all they have are like 5 units. Thats it.
Every zerg starts out with zerglings, maybe a few banelings. Then he either goes roach or muta. Rarely goes hydra. Late game it's pretty much the same, maybe even a few corrupters.
Same thing.
What the fuck? A zerg player doesn't have the option to go for any other units early game, as that's all the units he has. How is that the same thing? He said Terran was boring to watch, i said Zerg was boring to watch. Obviously, both statements are an exaggeration. No there is a difference to that. Terran is boring to watch because it pursues a single strategy all game long(as was shown in the MLG). Zerg may be boring to watch for you because you simply don't understand it or you may feel that they do the same thing over and over again, when really, all they're doing is reacting.
You're saying that all Terran ever does is MMM? Why do siege tanks need to be nerfed then? I rarely see Terran go MMM vs another Terran or a zerg. I simply just dont see the problem.
Also, i did not see the MLG. But the OP complained about MMM in general so
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Reaper -> Speedling -> Roach -> Marauder -> Muta -> Marine -> Medivac -> Baneling -> Tank -> Infestor -> Ultras
Are you surprised at all by the progression? It's the way the game is. Terran aren't just cheesing because MMM 0wnZ. The unit progression of both races makes sense. Sometimes hellions are used early or at the Baneling phase, occasionally ghosts are used at the Muta phase, occasionally ravens are used, sometimes vikings are made. That's almost the entire Terran arsenal right there.
TvT is primarily tank/viking with MMM/raven support. I haven't seen enough good TvP's to comment.
The problem right now is that reaper harass is too effective and the game doesn't go beyond 1-2 base play. But when it does, this is what happens, and it makes for good games imo.
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