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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
Im a Zerg player and think this will be far too much together. I think the changes are fair...Zerg needs to be reactionary but atm it's a race that plays for survival in the first 10 minutes or so...and that is very very wrong. But that describes pretty good how I feel at the beginning of a game. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
Overlord speed should be there from the start Speed should be upgraded from Hatch Overseer could be made from hatch(would also improve some BO harass ect) or something else, but early good scout(without being FORCED to sacrifice your overlord) | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On August 29 2010 18:19 ooni wrote: Let's look at it this way... Back to the past once we all knew as SC1 Dragoons were good against all barrack units~ well not really very good against marines Dragoons had this timing window where they have absolute and undisputed mapcontrol So now... Terran has to wait for his first siege tanks to hold off the protoss... Tanks had to get range upgrade *cough* I mean get siege mode Of course you would need to block off the choke with forcefields, oops, I mean supply depots and rax. In SC2, the roles of T and P have reversed. Marauders are very good against all gateway units, not very good against zealots but still good with slow. So Dragoons have stim and slow, and the siegetank can move and climbs up and down cliffs. As for 2 base v 1 base advantage, I'm not sure what you are talking about. When I play terran it's almost never safe to expand unless toss expands. The exception would be either the toss is much worse or made a stupid mistake. Or toss doesn't go fast collosus and I marine rax expand. I have yet to see a person who can defend against a 4 gate all-in or 3 gate immortal all-in with marauder expo without being ahead. ur comparison has a big flaw: in bw, the terran had the much more cost-effective army and was the race with the best defensive abilities. because the T army was more cost effective and stronger piece by piece (once a certain army size is exceeded), they didnt need to have the equal amound of mining bases as the P. they could use the awesome mines to defend against recalls. now in sc2, the roles of aggressor and prey are reversed. T has the upper hand in the early- and early midgame. (note that 4gating opens a timing window in which the T can roll u if he scouts it in time.) they can tech more safely. they can expand more easily. but in comparison to bw, the degree to which a teched up P army owns a t1/1.5 T army is much lower than the degree to which a teched up T army owned a t1/1.5 P army in bw. bioballs stay too effective even when charge and storms are out. additionally, the sc2 equivalent of recalls into the base, marauder drops, cant be defended by using burrowed, invisible mininukes costing 25 mins each. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:34 Crissaegrim wrote: Bio is balanced in tvz? LOL. I hope you are joking. LE: Nvm, pointless. Ignore misspost | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
If you count out reapers i'd say it is.... | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:51 Black Gun wrote: ur comparison has a big flaw: in bw, the terran had the much more cost-effective army and was the race with the best defensive abilities. because the T army was more cost effective and stronger piece by piece (once a certain army size is exceeded), they didnt need to have the equal amound of mining bases as the P. they could use the awesome mines to defend against recalls. now in sc2, the roles of aggressor and prey are reversed. T has the upper hand in the early- and early midgame. (note that 4gating opens a timing window in which the T can roll u if he scouts it in time.) they can tech more safely. they can expand more easily. but in comparison to bw, the degree to which a teched up P army owns a t1/1.5 T army is much lower than the degree to which a teched up T army owned a t1/1.5 P army in bw. bioballs stay too effective even when charge and storms are out. additionally, the sc2 equivalent of recalls into the base, marauder drops, cant be defended by using burrowed, invisible mininukes costing 25 mins each. In broodwar they had a way to move out with 2fact or early timing pushes, protoss could of course defend these by scouting, or by timing their legspeed to a point where they could run the terran push over. In SC2 they attack and you cant do a god damn thing about it because you dont have the tech needed, stalkers are not near what dragoons are and with slow you cant do shit with zealots without charge. Not to mention you will never win a battle vs a competent terran who knows how to micro and if they have EMP? good game. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Now marines are more viable in the matchup. Then after that blizzard procedes to balancing other matchups. I strongly believe that Dustin Browder or other staff in Blizzard mainly play terran It's so sad that they never fix marauder who is too powerful and even counter zealots, who are supposed to counter marauders. TT | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On August 29 2010 23:43 Yaotzin wrote: Yeah, no Protoss has ever beaten a competent Terran Tester? Cmon dude, protosses are demolishing tournaments right now. Yes terrans are doing good too, but protosses are doing just fine. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:00 Floophead_III wrote: Tester? Cmon dude, protosses are demolishing tournaments right now. Yes terrans are doing good too, but protosses are doing just fine. Sarcasm yo:p Read the post above mine. I agree toss are doing more than fine. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 29 2010 23:57 bokeevboke wrote: I think tank nerf is mainly for TvT rather than other matchups. Remember how tanks were nerfed to 50... Now marines are more viable in the matchup. Then after that blizzard procedes to balancing other matchups. I strongly believe that Dustin Browder or other staff in Blizzard mainly play terran It's so sad that they never fix marauder who is too powerful and even counter zealots, who are supposed to counter marauders. TT So terran is overpowered -> solution is to balance TvT... okay~ | ||
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1337bix
Australia3 Posts
Yes I know it is not idrA, but you have to watch to the very end. =] | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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EnderCN
United States499 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:07 Yaotzin wrote: Sarcasm yo:p Read the post above mine. I agree toss are doing more than fine. My apologies. Too many morons on these forums sometimes the esarcasm gets lost in translation. | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On August 29 2010 14:08 MythicalMage wrote: I HATE the tank change. I literally can't think of a scenario when I want tanks over marauders or higher tech (banshees, ravens, etc.) EDIT: This isn't a balance complaint. This is a stylistic complaint, since they're taking out the core of the Terran army, currently. Oh stop QQing you noob! Maybe learn how to use you'r race? + Show Spoiler + I'm just kidding, just had to flip the script for once because Zerg's have been "QQing" for a while and called noobs because of it. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
Example: "Bio is balanced in tvz? LOL. I hope you are joking." I mean, seriously, how stupid can a post be? What does the poster want to tell me? I am getting so sick of those "omg lolol, tvp is freewin cuzz of maraudrzz"- kind of posts. Please note that i am not talking about the balance itself, but solely about the quality of posts, which has drastically decreased since the release of sc2. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:18 1337bix wrote: I mean no offense to idrA, since he is a very good player, but i thought this was pretty funny xD. Sorry if someone else has already posted this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHG40AdYfJ0&feature=topvideos Yes I know it is not idrA, but you have to watch to the very end. =] That was awesome! | ||
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blackodd
Sweden451 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:18 1337bix wrote: I mean no offense to idrA, since he is a very good player, but i thought this was pretty funny xD. Sorry if someone else has already posted this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHG40AdYfJ0&feature=topvideos Yes I know it is not idrA, but you have to watch to the very end. =] Dude.. wow.. fell off my chair | ||
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