In about every 1 out of 10 games I win, there seems to be some genius player who has discovered that typing "has left the game!" actually looks like they left the game. It has gone to a point where I have even considered trying it in a losing position.
Now, before I even start to the actual "trick", if any TL member feels this post has a negative effect on the community (for example by spreading this "scam") then just post a comment and I will definitely close this or ask a mod to.
Basically, this trick works when you are obviously about to lose. The losing player will type "GG" and immediately after type "has left the game!" The "victorious" player will/should be typing "GG" back. We all know that when you win a game, a screen will pop up saying "Return to Game" or "Score Screen" (bolded letters are hotkeys). I'm also sure that all of you have encountered a situation where you type "GG" back to the person, but they leave while you are typing. This causes the game to accept your "g" as "Return to Game". When this happens, the player victorious player will then click f10 and leave the game.
EDIT: There seems to be a ton of confusion as to how people can be dumb enough to fall for this trick.
On August 23 2010 16:21 friendlybus wrote: I don't get the G hotkey thing. As I understand it, he leaves and the victory window pops up but you hit return to game and are left playing with nobody. Or something? When he types that fake left-the-game message the victory window doesn't pop up, so I don't get it.
On August 24 2010 03:43 TOloseGT wrote: How could this ever work? Doesn't the option menu to leave automatically comes up when the other guy leaves?
On August 23 2010 11:05 Ballistixz wrote: if anyone falls for this trick they deserve to just quit life and /wrist and then sell there SC2 on ebay or something.
like seriously guys, when someone leaves the game the score screen menu does pop out which lets u leave the game yourself without having to exit menu. if the victory screen did not pop up then he obviously did not leave the game.
Not to single these people out, but this seems to be the most confusing idea. I will try to describe it as best I can.
The score screen WILL NOT come up if you are typing "gg" while the other person actually leaves the game, as it will trigger the command "Return to Game"
Therefore, when a player types, "gg" and the winner responds with "gg" right when the other player types "has left the game!", the assumption of the winner will be that they pressed "g" JUST AS the victory screen pops up.
The end of this video shows this happening in a real ladder game, and I also talk about how to decipher whether the enemy actually left or not. Basically, just look to the left of the players name and see whether there is an [All] shown.
Again, if any TL member or mod feels this post is counterproductive please feel free to delete it/lock it/close it/whatever. I typed this with good intentions in mind and hope that this will help anyone who gets stuck in this situation.
Not to yell wolf but I smell Tdot. If not, you are probably not getting a good reaction from this. People dont like tricks deciding things that should be left for skills to decide.
I totally pulled this on some guy who pulled it on me. He typed in "has left the game" and I was winning and in turn typed "has left the game." Then he left. I'm not sure if it was that he knew i had seen through his trick or because he thought i had left.
Pretty sure that if you try and leave a game before they leave you have to click a button called "surrender". If you're silly enough to click "surrender" because of such an old trick like that you deserve your loss, your opponent outplayed you by not underestimating your stupidity. learn from it and move on. Its not like this hasn't happened before
On August 23 2010 07:41 Megalisk wrote: Just keep playing until the victory screen comes up. EZ
You're missing the point. If you type gg back to someone that ggs, and they leave the game too quickly, your "g" is a hotkey for Return to Game (for the score screen that comes up). Which takes you right back to the game. I have this happen to me frequently.
What this trick does is attempt to mimic this occurence so the winner will mistakenly leave.
On August 23 2010 07:40 Kiante wrote: Pretty sure that if you try and leave a game before they leave you have to click a button called "surrender". If you're silly enough to click "surrender" because of such an old trick like that you deserve your loss, your opponent outplayed you by not underestimating your stupidity. learn from it and move on. Its not like this hasn't happened before
With this logic I can steal from kids by tricking them to give it to me, run away and tell them to learn from experience. Using peoples stupidy against them is the logical concept here.
"Its just a game" subjective opinion, a mobster might say "its just a life" and tell you about the infinity of the universe.
On August 23 2010 07:40 Kiante wrote: Pretty sure that if you try and leave a game before they leave you have to click a button called "surrender". If you're silly enough to click "surrender" because of such an old trick like that you deserve your loss, your opponent outplayed you by not underestimating your stupidity. learn from it and move on. Its not like this hasn't happened before
The smart person would realize it says surrender and not leave game or whatever, but if you thought he left, you really wouldn't pay attention to whatever it said, would you? I've fallen for this once and I saw surrender and clicked it but it wasn't until after I left and saw that I'd lost that I processed the "surrender."
On August 23 2010 07:41 IndecisivePenguin wrote: From what I understand, there is no colon after the name if a player has legitimately left the game.
Unfortunately, this is also hard to detect, because the colon will always be the color of the player. Most of the SC2 colors are very dark and the maps are generally dark as well. Therefore if a green player typed something on Lost Temple for example, the colon would be virtually invisible
The only thing I've seen people do is go "GG" and then expect me to leave or something...cause sometimes they decide to make another base after going GG.
On August 23 2010 07:40 Zerksys wrote: I totally pulled this on some guy who pulled it on me. He typed in "has left the game" and I was winning and in turn typed "has left the game." Then he left. I'm not sure if it was that he knew i had seen through his trick or because he thought i had left.
i played a guy where he GGed 3 times, hid bases, then as my DTs were killing what I thought was his last base, someone rang the doorbell so I called GG for the fourth time and told him i had to go, assuming he'd leave. When I came back 15 minutes later the score screen was up and just said "Defeat!"
IMO, if you're stupid enough to fall for this, which has been happening well into the beta, you deserve to lose. Granted, it's not fair for the newer players who just encounter it.
This supposed scam has so many holes in it anyone that has played at least 1 match shouldn't fall for it. Like you said if the guy really leaves there's the return to game/score screen box.
Second, the game also types out that you are victorious(which could by typed out as well I guess,but it would show his name before yours and without your name being colored).
I honestly doubt that this is much of an issue but if really that many people fall for this then Blizzard could just add a confirmation box when you click surrender.
You should never fall for this trick ever lol. I only leave when i see the victory thing comes up, and if i never hit the hotkey to stay in the game since im always hitting s for selecting larva.
How does typing that make you leave? I never got that, it's so dumb... When they do that to me as long as the pop-up isn't in my face I am not leaving because I dont look at chat for victory I look at the pop-up. It's a stupid trick and shouldn't work unless you're that dumb, and in that case you would deserve it.
On August 23 2010 07:40 Zerksys wrote: I totally pulled this on some guy who pulled it on me. He typed in "has left the game" and I was winning and in turn typed "has left the game." Then he left. I'm not sure if it was that he knew i had seen through his trick or because he thought i had left.
a win is a win, if you were outplayed, outmicroed, outmacroed,outsmarted. you lost fair and square. In a boxing match the ref gives rules before each fight, and he specifically states that you gotta keep your guard up at all times or hes stopping the fight. So the moment you let their words get to you, and you drop your guard- thats entirely your fault. It may be retarded and a waste of time most of the time for the player trying to trick you, but it's still a tactic you should be on guard about.
Makes me wonder what would happen if someone pulled this off in a tourney match or something important.
happened today in a FFA I did.. the guy lost his main base and waited for the last building to die then typed "has left the game".. Of course, I didnt get the victory screen so I knew it was fake, laughed at him then just flew my mutas all the way to the bottom corner (i had the rest of the maps expos scouted) and killed his CC. What a jerk =[
if he falls for it, then u get that extra feeling awesome in addition to winning the game. While the other guy feels like an idiot for falling for his own trick
On August 23 2010 07:41 Megalisk wrote: Just keep playing until the victory screen comes up. EZ
You're missing the point. If you type gg back to someone that ggs, and they leave the game too quickly, your "g" is a hotkey for Return to Game (for the score screen that comes up). Which takes you right back to the game. I have this happen to me frequently.
What this trick does is attempt to mimic this occurence so the winner will mistakenly leave.
Thanks for clearing this up. The commentator on the YouTube video does an awful job of explaining this point, which is pretty crucial to understand why someone could possibly fall for this.
haha just make sure all his units arnt moving are running from your attacks if you are suspicious. eg. a flying command center usually runs if being fired at, but if thw player has left then that shouldent happen.
but wait they can also use the hold command. maybe we shoild alert blizz about this, im suggesting summ like put those letters in blue or somthing
i m terran i was makin scv and the other guy said gg and paused the game causing the load screen to pop up and i press s = surrender and i lost a game i should have won i was like o_O
On August 23 2010 07:41 Megalisk wrote: Just keep playing until the victory screen comes up. EZ
You're missing the point. If you type gg back to someone that ggs, and they leave the game too quickly, your "g" is a hotkey for Return to Game (for the score screen that comes up). Which takes you right back to the game. I have this happen to me frequently.
What this trick does is attempt to mimic this occurence so the winner will mistakenly leave.
Thanks for clearing this up. The commentator on the YouTube video does an awful job of explaining this point, which is pretty crucial to understand why someone could possibly fall for this.
I'm pretty sure I said exactly this in my OP... and I'm 100% sure I explained the exact same thing in the video. People like you piss me off.
how people fall for this is beyond me. "xxx has left the game" is just a little bit different than a 400x800 box that says victory and everything else greyed out.
not to mention, you have to finish the rest of the surender, f10, then click on surrender. Dunno, just doesnt resemble my winning ceremony in the least.
On August 23 2010 07:41 Megalisk wrote: Just keep playing until the victory screen comes up. EZ
You're missing the point. If you type gg back to someone that ggs, and they leave the game too quickly, your "g" is a hotkey for Return to Game (for the score screen that comes up). Which takes you right back to the game. I have this happen to me frequently.
What this trick does is attempt to mimic this occurence so the winner will mistakenly leave.
Thanks for clearing this up. The commentator on the YouTube video does an awful job of explaining this point, which is pretty crucial to understand why someone could possibly fall for this.
I'm pretty sure I said exactly this in my OP... and I'm 100% sure I explained the exact same thing in the video. People like you piss me off.
TBH, I didn't read most of the OP, and I should have. But when you explained it in the video (and I did hear you throughout your explanation), I didn't understand you at all.
On August 23 2010 07:41 Megalisk wrote: Just keep playing until the victory screen comes up. EZ
You're missing the point. If you type gg back to someone that ggs, and they leave the game too quickly, your "g" is a hotkey for Return to Game (for the score screen that comes up). Which takes you right back to the game. I have this happen to me frequently.
What this trick does is attempt to mimic this occurence so the winner will mistakenly leave.
Thanks for clearing this up. The commentator on the YouTube video does an awful job of explaining this point, which is pretty crucial to understand why someone could possibly fall for this.
I'm pretty sure I said exactly this in my OP... and I'm 100% sure I explained the exact same thing in the video. People like you piss me off.
TBH, I didn't read most of the OP, and I should have. But when you explained it in the video (and I did hear you throughout your explanation), I didn't understand you at all.
Alright, then I apologize It was my first commentary ever so thanks for the criticism and I'll be sure to try to improve in the future.
if anyone falls for this trick they deserve to just quit life and /wrist and then sell there SC2 on ebay or something.
like seriously guys, when someone leaves the game the score screen menu does pop out which lets u leave the game yourself without having to exit menu. if the victory screen did not pop up then he obviously did not leave the game.
If someone tried this on me it would work every time lol.. some guy just said GG once then I left the game since I am always in a rush to get to next game and most ppl leave right after typing gg..
Errrr.....I dont read chat usually....other then a team game...voice chat owns....
The worst I ever seen is those people who refuse to GG when they quit or just dragging on the game. Nv see a fake GG in my own game b4, though someone try to GG and delayed quiting...
On August 23 2010 10:48 Kpyolysis32 wrote: I'm now considering my name to "[All] Kpyolysis:" just so that when I actually leave, people will be momentarily confused.
But then every time you type it will read: "[All] [All] Kpyolysis:: [text]"
I remember when this didn't happen in the starcraft community. Where did all these wise guys come from I wonder. In probily 1 out of 4 FFAs someone attempts to do this at the end.
so wait, the winning player is going to leave because hes going to assume he said "gg" when the popup victory screen came up and it closed his pop up? Wat? O_ o
On August 23 2010 10:48 Kpyolysis32 wrote: I'm now considering my name to "[All] Kpyolysis:" just so that when I actually leave, people will be momentarily confused.
But then every time you type it will read: "[All] [All] Kpyolysis:: [text]"
sounds just like a cool new "double gas steal proxy 2gate" build. fun for newbs and worthy of a few surprise ladder wins but in the long term quite detrimental to one's development.
why the hell do people F10-N out when a big ass screen pops up when the enemy leaves? how can someone be tricked by something like this when they've already seen how that screen looks like and when it should pop up?
I don't get the G hotkey thing. As I understand it, he leaves and the victory window pops up but you hit return to game and are left playing with nobody. Or something? When he types that fake left-the-game message the victory window doesn't pop up, so I don't get it.
On August 23 2010 10:48 Kpyolysis32 wrote: I'm now considering my name to "[All] Kpyolysis:" just so that when I actually leave, people will be momentarily confused.
This has some potential, report if you had some success :D
On August 23 2010 07:40 Zerksys wrote: I totally pulled this on some guy who pulled it on me. He typed in "has left the game" and I was winning and in turn typed "has left the game." Then he left. I'm not sure if it was that he knew i had seen through his trick or because he thought i had left.
I just tried this in a 2v2 game where the other team just cheesed like no tomorrow. They started spewing shit in chinese and found my hidden nexus... no GG -_-
i've been a victim of this garbage a few times. pushed early, wiped dude's army, dude typed gg, and i assumed i'd won. so i'd alt-tab or leave my computer for a couple minutes, only to come back to find my base wiped. it seems the only remedy for this kind of degenerate nonsense is to scatter units around the map and make sure to kill everything they have. or just hope the person you're playing isn't a complete asshole
On August 23 2010 20:14 XxForgexX wrote: i've been a victim of this garbage a few times. pushed early, wiped dude's army, dude typed gg, and i assumed i'd won. so i'd alt-tab or leave my computer for a couple minutes, only to come back to find my base wiped. it seems the only remedy for this kind of degenerate nonsense is to scatter units around the map and make sure to kill everything they have. or just hope the person you're playing isn't a complete asshole
Seriously, why would you ever do that, you deserved that loss
I remember back in beta i was doing this 1v1 on metalopolis. PvP and he tried to go DTs while i went 2 gate robo. So since I had an observer I didn't lose too many forces, and he GG'ed with most of his base still up and didn't leave. I found him to be a bit rude for not leaving after GG, but decided i'd just win this the old fashioned style. So ignorantly i started to destroy is buildings 1 by 1 trying to force the win.
Now i knew something fishy was up, and thank god i was smart enough to scout his second base because he was just warping in his 4th warpgate. I fortunately managed to overrun him again with some reinforcements but that could have ended really bad as I totally let my guard down after that GG.
People who do that are a show of really bad sportsmanship. But I learned fast enough not to let my guard down and to always make sure he actually left the game.
On August 23 2010 20:14 XxForgexX wrote: i've been a victim of this garbage a few times. pushed early, wiped dude's army, dude typed gg, and i assumed i'd won. so i'd alt-tab or leave my computer for a couple minutes, only to come back to find my base wiped. it seems the only remedy for this kind of degenerate nonsense is to scatter units around the map and make sure to kill everything they have. or just hope the person you're playing isn't a complete asshole
Seriously, why would you ever do that, you deserved that loss
Because to anyone who's not a douchebag, gg means "ok, you win." Should you play through to the victory screen? Yeah, I guess. But should you have to hope that your opponent isn't trying to pull some scrub trick to eek out a win?
On August 23 2010 20:14 XxForgexX wrote: i've been a victim of this garbage a few times. pushed early, wiped dude's army, dude typed gg, and i assumed i'd won. so i'd alt-tab or leave my computer for a couple minutes, only to come back to find my base wiped. it seems the only remedy for this kind of degenerate nonsense is to scatter units around the map and make sure to kill everything they have. or just hope the person you're playing isn't a complete asshole
Seriously, why would you ever do that, you deserved that loss
Because to anyone who's not a douchebag, gg means "ok, you win." Should you play through to the victory screen? Yeah, I guess. But should you have to hope that your opponent isn't trying to pull some scrub trick to eek out a win?
He has a point though. This is why I always say gg back, and then I keep building, expanding, and attacking. I've had enough people change their mind after the initial "gg."
Even if it worked on a person once, I don't see how they could ever fall for it again. Just take a second and make sure you're clicking score screen and not surrender.
haha you got pwned... should have probably just pretended to afk while killing off his entire base with attack move marines.. and then build like 50 battlecruisers in your base to get yamato..
On August 24 2010 10:50 Techno wrote: If the victory window doesnt come up. I wouldnt assume I closed it, I would assume the game isnt over.
I'm not sure if you are confused, or you actually wouldn't consider the possibility of typing "g". Of course there is also the possibility that you have never replied "gg" and therefore never realized that the screen doesn't show up while typing "gg"?
I played a terrible zerg on ladder who just made lings/banelings (i think he was platinum...) and after I stopped a attack he gg'd but didn't leave. I didn't leave and decided to check his base with a couple of warpgate units and right when I stepped down the ramp I was swarmed with so many lings/banelings but was able to hold the attack off and then was accused of mineral hacking when I destroyed his base... and i just expanded to my natural and the gold while attacking him and warping in units
I've had people try this on me and I have a few friends who try to use it. I've never seen it work, but I guess it's always possible. I always check whether it says surrender or not, and I macro harder and usually expand when someone gg's. Just can't trust them...
dumb, if that happends then it will be 1 g not 2g's ,
if you tried to hit GG and the menue popped up in the process, then the outcome wil just be 1 g because the second g was used to "return to game" command.
so theres no denying stupidity when you fall for this.
but hey we can all be pretty stupid sometiems cna'twe
I always assume that people will try to trick me...
Therefore if I play a newb that wants to chat after GG (typical placement match), I simply keep map control with decetion and macro a little.
If someone GGs and does not talk I just keep attacking and add detection, as these are often protoss waiting for their dark shrines. Kill or unpower the dark shrine and he/she leaves (or types "has left the game" :p)
Basically, if you are unsure, add safety through map control and detection, and hit F10 and then if possible select the correct option with your mouse. If you alt-tab don't complain :p
I queued up for a random 4v4 today, and when I entered somebody on the other team said "Today's my birthday, can you leave please?" So I replied with "okay" "has left the game." One of my partners then said "wow..." and actually left the game.
I've never had a moment that more deserved a facepalm than that.
On August 24 2010 18:03 Okiesmokie wrote: I queued up for a random 4v4 today, and when I entered somebody on the other team said "Today's my birthday, can you leave please?" So I replied with "okay" "has left the game." One of my partners then said "wow..." and actually left the game.
I've never had a moment that more deserved a facepalm than that.
On August 24 2010 18:15 slimshady wrote: Blizzard needs to do 2 things: 1. Replace the "G" hotkey with "R" for example. 2. Filter the phrase "has left the game!"
Naaah.People just need to pay attention and not fall for this.....
On August 24 2010 16:54 Vz0 wrote: dumb, if that happends then it will be 1 g not 2g's ,
if you tried to hit GG and the menue popped up in the process, then the outcome wil just be 1 g because the second g was used to "return to game" command.
so theres no denying stupidity when you fall for this.
but hey we can all be pretty stupid sometiems cna'twe
wrong. fail. no. denied. 100% incorrect. And yes I do agree that SOME of us can be quite stupid and assume stuff that isn't true.
On August 23 2010 07:40 Zerksys wrote: I totally pulled this on some guy who pulled it on me. He typed in "has left the game" and I was winning and in turn typed "has left the game." Then he left. I'm not sure if it was that he knew i had seen through his trick or because he thought i had left.
On August 25 2010 05:12 TOloseGT wrote: Hahaha, has anyone fake GG'd a fake GG'er?
Hmm...I guess that wraps back around to...an offensive GG?
It's funny, because I think in the original SCBW "official strategy guide" online (http://classic.battle.net/scc/) one of the tips is to watch out for people trying to type "nuclear launch detected" or "has left the game." Who would have known it would come back years later to haunt us again!
I'd never heard of this being done until literaly 5 mins ago when it was tried on me. Came onto TL to see if there was some info on it. If you'v been playing game after game and it happens to you when ur not expecting it is realy convincing, atleast to a Bronze player like me it does. ty for the post!
On August 25 2010 05:12 TOloseGT wrote: Hahaha, has anyone fake GG'd a fake GG'er?
lol.
"Yo dawg, we heard yo like fake GGs...."
but seriously, i didnt know about this trick until i read this thread. thanks for sharing, its kinda nasty. but easy to spot if u know about it, because the "has left the game!" has a "[All]" before it if its a scam attempt.
I fell for this once a while ago when I was laddering more...it made me upset but then made me laugh and I messaged the guy saying nice trick...he was prob surprised i found it humorous I fell for it
this reminds me how in the browser game Tactics Arena Online, if you said something that the word filter blocked, it booted you from a game. so my friend was losing and said "hey i'm doing this crossword puzzle, what's an african country that starts with the letter n?", and it worked.
On January 10 2011 10:08 Cybren wrote: this reminds me how in the browser game Tactics Arena Online, if you said something that the word filter blocked, it booted you from a game. so my friend was losing and said "hey i'm doing this crossword puzzle, what's an african country that starts with the letter n?", and it worked.
Strange that it would work, considering there isn't an African country with an offensive name.
I remember one game someone tried to do this to me. I don't have the replay anymore, but it went along the lines of:
Him: has left the game! Me: Are you dumb? Him: ...(BM blahblahblah)
Then 2 minutes of me raping his base.
It's pretty easy to see, and it's never worked on me. For some reason, I've never had the screen disappear when I'm typing gg, and I don't use hotkeys for the menu, that could be why I don't leave quick enough not to notice what the other guy's trying to pull and call him on it.
On January 10 2011 10:08 Cybren wrote: this reminds me how in the browser game Tactics Arena Online, if you said something that the word filter blocked, it booted you from a game. so my friend was losing and said "hey i'm doing this crossword puzzle, what's an african country that starts with the letter n?", and it worked.
Strange that it would work, considering there isn't an African country with an offensive name.
On topic, I have had the fake-GG used against me a couple times, but not in a long while. It kinda makes me happy to see honestly, as long as I don't fall for it lol. I've seen it in some straight up matches though, like thirty minute intense matches. Then it kinda upsets me, because what respect I may have had for a good opponent suddenly ceases to exist.
Just a reason more to use the korean "ww" instead of "gg".
However; its also a mistake of Blizzard to make it work that way; it should have a bigger signal that a player actual "leaves" / like turning all units in a "white" color or something.
But in the end this trick only works like 1 out of 100 ; and you will get a major problem if you pull this "trick" of one too often; as this totally destroys your reputation for your account.
So better stay fair and win like a real men; SC2 isnt a pussy game.
How is gaining a win for what should have been a loss beneficial to the loser? Ya ok, he gets more points to do what? play higher ranked players that will continue to beat him?
On January 10 2011 10:31 HalfnHalf wrote: How is gaining a win for what should have been a loss beneficial to the loser? Ya ok, he gets more points to do what? play higher ranked players that will continue to beat him?
Doesn't make any sense to me...
It doesn't make any sense to you that someone would try to steal a win in an online game? It's not exactly like BM people on Bnet are thinking logically about it.
Wow how did this actually work? Come on people show you're smarter than to argue with a bronze league poster...F10 n to leave a lost game, F10 s to leave a won game after hitting g
Right after you type that, select every unit you have and make them "hold" position, including mining guys. If the opponent doesn't leave right away, he might when he's killing random units that won't even move.
It'd definitely feel awkward to continue killing a base that looks like it has no one controlling it, combined with the "has left the game" thing might make them leave too.
Pretty amusing if you ask me. Doubt it'd work on more experienced players though.
You would have to be really not paying attention for this to work... the screen pops up on its own after someone leaves. You don't manually leave the game, it pops up asking you if u want to. The losing player can't simulate this without actually leaving the game...
Shouldn't matter anyway. Even if you return to game when you bring the menu up again You will have "Score Screen" instead of "Leave the Game" on the menu. Anyone that falls for this deserves it.
This is really old, but definitely funnier than fake gg.
On January 10 2011 12:04 AtrumX wrote: Shouldn't matter anyway. Even if you return to game when you bring the menu up again You will have "Score Screen" instead of "Leave the Game" on the menu. Anyone that falls for this deserves it.
har har. Easier said than done. What you said, has already been said before, and discussed. Please search
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