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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#13161
what happened today was not important, it just changed around some placements

tomorrow is the real ending to the story
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
April 03 2011 06:04 GMT
#13162
Not wise to have one tonight better for the players to have more sleep. Tomorrow if Idra doesn't want to go all InControl on Huk then that would probably be a better time.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 03 2011 06:12 GMT
#13163
I can't wait to here what you guys have to say about MLG Dallas as players. I'd love to hear some in-depth thoughts on what goes through your heads as you prepare for a match against someone. In fact, I think I'm going to submit a question about just that idea.
Writer@WriterYamato
adso
Profile Joined March 2011
718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 13:01:05
April 03 2011 11:48 GMT
#13164
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2011 09:29 Clicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 07:59 Tantaburs wrote:
On April 03 2011 07:53 Clicker wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:22 adso wrote:
Thank you iNcontroLfor stating what i thought:
"ALL invested players should feel awfull at the disappearance of the losses from your stats"
and
state it to blizz via forums!

i had not played for 10 years when i eagerly got sc2 at retail...
i got to 1st of my bronze and then stopped to start mapmaking.

Having not laddered for a couple of months now,
i was appalled to see what blizz had perpetrated ...
(when i glanced at exerts from patch notes (did blizz even mention it?))

worse thing since no lan
edit:
i'll+ Show Spoiler +
probably drop laddering altogether

why would you stop laddering just because you can't see your losses. Write that shit down, but don't threaten extremes.


People who care about there ladder do so because they see it as a competition. Removing losses is like giveing every kid an A because you dont want to discourage people. People in bronze through diamond may be proud of the W/L ratio and removing losses takes something that they were proud of away from them.

Also; Blizzard can see numbers on how many people are laddering. If people aren't laddering then they aren't likly to buy HotS or LotV which means blizzard loses money. By stopping laddering you can send a message to blizzard that if they dont change something then they will lose money which is all blizz really cares about (not saying this is a bad thing).

Removing losses isn't something I approve, but everything claiming they're going to stop laddering is ridiculous. I wish you could AT LEAST see your own losses.

Anyways, if people view ladder as competition then fucking compete. Don't worry about a win/loss, and like I said if people are really concerned about what their overall record is, or win %, get a notebook or google spreadsheet and keep track.

@Clicker:
You seem very sure that it does not change anything ?

How about viewing other players stats.. (this is not all this is about.. of course)

i know my w/lost ratio (i+ Show Spoiler +
'm not a moron, i've been using a pencil for 28 years thank you
).. the prior display was accessible to everyone.. that is what gaming is about... transparency and intricacy... not private experience but community public experience, not a fun game, but a SKILL game.

You seem to misunderstand the scope of this change...

i really hope iNcontroL is wrong and that tl players (or indeed any sc2 players) will act up and get this fixed by blizz

i am not hopeful though (+ Show Spoiler +
sc2 is lurkher heaven, so is tl in fact)
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 11:59:54
April 03 2011 11:55 GMT
#13165
The real issue with the win/loss debacle is that its not a problem for some casual that they see their losses, the problem is that OTHERS will see their losses and flame them for it. It creates a bad atmosphere just like when Blizzard introduced Armory to WoW.

What this did was make people post on level 1 alts just so they dont get humiliated by other people online and it created a massive jerkfest of who has the longest e penis on the forums.

Online gaming communities in general are a cesspool of people using the said game to put others down, we see it everywhere, on a daily basis. There is nothing Blizzard can do about this, not showing losses of sub Masters players at least helps that problem somewhat, it dosent fix it, but somewhat dampens it.

Blizzards line of thinking is

Fact 1: Nobody will quit the game over their losses not showing
Fact 2: Some will quit if the community makes fun of their win/loss record


I dont mind my losses showing personally but i get why they are doing it
★ Top Gun ★
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 11:55:44
April 03 2011 11:55 GMT
#13166
On April 03 2011 12:53 Nausea wrote:
Would be nice to have both Idra and Huk on the show, bet they could have some fun discussions about the value of hallucination, mental stability, playing professional. etc etc.


I've yet to read/hear an insightful huk interview, so while it might be entertaining, I think it would not be particularly informative. Also Huk and JP have a silly feud, mostly thanks to the former.
scrooge
Profile Joined March 2011
20 Posts
April 03 2011 12:15 GMT
#13167
how long until episode 4 of imbalanced "hallucination"?
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 03 2011 12:25 GMT
#13168
On April 03 2011 14:15 Mailing wrote:
what happened today was not important, it just changed around some placements

tomorrow is the real ending to the story


Uhh it was pretty important given that placing higher in the groups means you play a lot less games.

Top of the group; have to win 3 games to win.
Bottom of the group; have to win 6 games to win (or 7 don't remember).
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 03 2011 12:50 GMT
#13169
On April 03 2011 09:29 Clicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 07:59 Tantaburs wrote:
On April 03 2011 07:53 Clicker wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:22 adso wrote:
Thank you iNcontroLfor stating what i thought:
"ALL invested players should feel awfull at the disappearance of the losses from your stats"
and
state it to blizz via forums!

i had not played for 10 years when i eagerly got sc2 at retail...
i got to 1st of my bronze and then stopped to start mapmaking.

Having not laddered for a couple of months now,
i was appalled to see what blizz had perpetrated ...
(when i glanced at exerts from patch notes (did blizz even mention it?))

worse thing since no lan
edit:
i'll+ Show Spoiler +
probably drop laddering altogether

why would you stop laddering just because you can't see your losses. Write that shit down, but don't threaten extremes.


People who care about there ladder do so because they see it as a competition. Removing losses is like giveing every kid an A because you dont want to discourage people. People in bronze through diamond may be proud of the W/L ratio and removing losses takes something that they were proud of away from them.

Also; Blizzard can see numbers on how many people are laddering. If people aren't laddering then they aren't likly to buy HotS or LotV which means blizzard loses money. By stopping laddering you can send a message to blizzard that if they dont change something then they will lose money which is all blizz really cares about (not saying this is a bad thing).

Removing losses isn't something I approve, but everything claiming they're going to stop laddering is ridiculous. I wish you could AT LEAST see your own losses.

Anyways, if people view ladder as competition then fucking compete. Don't worry about a win/loss, and like I said if people are really concerned about what their overall record is, or win %, get a notebook or google spreadsheet and keep track.


Or you could just download SC2Gears and let that keep track for you, I know exactly how many wins and losses i have this season, and exactly what winrate I have in all match-ups. If people are really that serious about the game that their winrate matters then they would probably already have sc2gears as its an awesome peice of kit for analysing games and which build orders you have the most success with.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 03 2011 13:15 GMT
#13170
Oh em gee iNcontroL is playing Select in the Championship Winners bracket at MLG. I heard from a credible source that Inc actively despises Select.
joheinous
Profile Joined August 2010
Iceland522 Posts
April 03 2011 13:39 GMT
#13171
I don't think it's reasonable to expect much criticism of MLG from the SOTG cast. There are two employees on the show and 2 players who are benefiting a great deal from the system of competition MLG has set up. Besides that the most vocal and opinionated of the cast, incontrol, is unfortunately but understandably trying to create a more PC image for himself. I would ask that sotg didn't take part in the corporate lie and try to defend MLG though, rather just skip discussing the technical difficulties.

None the less I'm really looking forward to the next SOTG as the MLG competition has been(theoretically at least ) amazing with a small role reversal between incontrol and Tyler, and both liquid and EG have been centers of attention.

Also it would be awesome if you could get someone from dignitas to come on the show because of the teams ridiculous run through the tournament. And please no one from MLG (excluding day9 and JP ofc :D) with more excuses and blaming someone else for their screw-ups.
Everything is self-evident
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 03 2011 13:53 GMT
#13172
On April 03 2011 21:15 scrooge wrote:
how long until episode 4 of imbalanced "hallucination"?



Idra would of lost the fight if the Hallucinations were there or not. He had 300/300 so nothing to remax with.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
OldBamboo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 14:36:54
April 03 2011 14:35 GMT
#13173
I hope SOTG folks discuss the rules about in-game chat.

Link to MLG rules, scroll down to 'GAMEPLAY', and read rules #3, #6, and #15.
+ Show Spoiler +

3. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game.

6. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game

15. Players who quit out of a Game before it has ended, without Referee’s permission, will Forfeit the Game.



If they're going to be serious about enforcing these, then Huk forfeited game 3 by breaking rule #3 before Idra forfeited game 3 by breaking rule #15.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
April 03 2011 14:46 GMT
#13174
On April 03 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 12:53 Nausea wrote:
Would be nice to have both Idra and Huk on the show, bet they could have some fun discussions about the value of hallucination, mental stability, playing professional. etc etc.


I've yet to read/hear an insightful huk interview, so while it might be entertaining, I think it would not be particularly informative. Also Huk and JP have a silly feud, mostly thanks to the former.


This was said as a joke on SotG. HuK has zero problem with JP
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 14:50:35
April 03 2011 14:49 GMT
#13175
On April 03 2011 23:46 Tantaburs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2011 12:53 Nausea wrote:
Would be nice to have both Idra and Huk on the show, bet they could have some fun discussions about the value of hallucination, mental stability, playing professional. etc etc.


I've yet to read/hear an insightful huk interview, so while it might be entertaining, I think it would not be particularly informative. Also Huk and JP have a silly feud, mostly thanks to the former.


This was said as a joke on SotG. HuK has zero problem with JP

Perhaps they've resolved their differences, but I recall there was a beta tournament casted by JP, which Huk participated in and Huk was under the impression he hadn't agreed to have his games streamed live and they had an argument about it and Huk said he would play but never talk to JP again following that. It's entirely possible even this story is false. Huk definitely was against live casting of tournaments and a big baby about the issue.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
April 03 2011 19:10 GMT
#13176
Is there a show tonight??
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 03 2011 19:15 GMT
#13177
On April 03 2011 23:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 23:46 Tantaburs wrote:
On April 03 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2011 12:53 Nausea wrote:
Would be nice to have both Idra and Huk on the show, bet they could have some fun discussions about the value of hallucination, mental stability, playing professional. etc etc.


I've yet to read/hear an insightful huk interview, so while it might be entertaining, I think it would not be particularly informative. Also Huk and JP have a silly feud, mostly thanks to the former.


This was said as a joke on SotG. HuK has zero problem with JP

Perhaps they've resolved their differences, but I recall there was a beta tournament casted by JP, which Huk participated in and Huk was under the impression he hadn't agreed to have his games streamed live and they had an argument about it and Huk said he would play but never talk to JP again following that. It's entirely possible even this story is false. Huk definitely was against live casting of tournaments and a big baby about the issue.

It wasn't a beta tournament, it was a fun showmatch with nothing on the line vs machine for Giantbomb.com's TNT, where they play games with the community and had them play a Bo3 as a special. IDK if HuK was really pissed about it but those games were streamed live.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 03 2011 19:17 GMT
#13178
On April 04 2011 04:15 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 23:49 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2011 23:46 Tantaburs wrote:
On April 03 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2011 12:53 Nausea wrote:
Would be nice to have both Idra and Huk on the show, bet they could have some fun discussions about the value of hallucination, mental stability, playing professional. etc etc.


I've yet to read/hear an insightful huk interview, so while it might be entertaining, I think it would not be particularly informative. Also Huk and JP have a silly feud, mostly thanks to the former.


This was said as a joke on SotG. HuK has zero problem with JP

Perhaps they've resolved their differences, but I recall there was a beta tournament casted by JP, which Huk participated in and Huk was under the impression he hadn't agreed to have his games streamed live and they had an argument about it and Huk said he would play but never talk to JP again following that. It's entirely possible even this story is false. Huk definitely was against live casting of tournaments and a big baby about the issue.

It wasn't a beta tournament, it was a fun showmatch with nothing on the line vs machine for Giantbomb.com's TNT, where they play games with the community and had them play a Bo3 as a special. IDK if HuK was really pissed about it but those games were streamed live.

Nothing on the line and he raged about them being casted live? That sounds ridiculous
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
April 03 2011 20:58 GMT
#13179
On April 03 2011 23:35 OldBamboo wrote:
I hope SOTG folks discuss the rules about in-game chat.

Link to MLG rules, scroll down to 'GAMEPLAY', and read rules #3, #6, and #15.
+ Show Spoiler +

3. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game.

6. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game

15. Players who quit out of a Game before it has ended, without Referee’s permission, will Forfeit the Game.



If they're going to be serious about enforcing these, then Huk forfeited game 3 by breaking rule #3 before Idra forfeited game 3 by breaking rule #15.


IdrA broke rule 3 as well but nobody cares that much. The results are already in, so they can't change anything now.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
April 03 2011 21:12 GMT
#13180
Please discuss why MLG would rather show us a shot of the crowd for 30 minutes instead of TLO v IdrA and then TLO v iNcontroL.

We don't even see 10% of the games being played.
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