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FYI, Tyler demolished Jinro in the PAX East Showmatch recently too.
It was pretty clear to me that July played terribly. He never harassed, continued to fight off creep and so on.
And people thought that MVP was gonna tear through everyone this season, now he is in code A. MC has a weakness, it just needs to be figured out.
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On March 24 2011 12:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
FYI, Tyler demolished Jinro in the PAX East Showmatch recently too.
It was pretty clear to me that July played terribly. He never harassed, continued to fight off creep and so on.
And people thought that MVP was gonna tear through everyone this season, now he is in code A. MC has a weakness, it just needs to be figured out.
You cannot really say who is good and who is not good yet, the game is just too young, compared to BW. As Artosis and Tasteless said in one of their GSL casts, there are many BOs waiting to be found, and some that can revolutionized the games.
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No matter what Nony, Socke and InControl say, MC remains the far better and more accomplished player. And criticising someone who is much better then you looks to me more like envy than anything else. It's like if I was criticising Bill Gates for his way of making money, and saying "there is a better way" although yet not discovered, and so on. Ridicules...
MC is far more accomplished and probably significantly better and that's something which they pointed out, like what, three or four times as they were talking about the finals? They pretty much said MC was the best Protoss in the world and that means he's one of the very few players that can be described as the very best currently playing.
I like the Bill Gates comparison even though it doesn't work. If capitalism and corporate enterprise was something based around a one on one format which had been recently invented, continuously re-imagined and watched for entertainment you might have a point. Now, the thing you seem not to understand is that we're all hoping that Starcraft 2 has enough depth - like its very unique predecessor - to continue to evolve and produce players and games that far surpass the current state of the game. See what I did there? You might perceive it as envy pure and simple, but ultimately it's just a few passionate nerds that are talking about a game they love, on a show that's highly entertaining and interesting.
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Func went out of business? :O
My pad must be at least 5-6 years old and there is quite a texture difference between my used area and the edges, but even with all those dents and scratches the pad is still fast. I guess that was their problem, most pads wear down after only 1-2 years, but those seem to last forever. Which is bad for business if you build a perfect product with no room for improvement, that doesn't wear down. So even die hard fans won't have a reason to buy another one for at least 5-10 years or until they get killed by a rabid dog/cat vomit. xD
Can't believe JP still has 10 in his private stash *jealous*, those pads are pure gold. The only source in my country seems to be a store that hasn't updated its page in years, which seems quite shady, although they apparently sell stuff through amazon. (the old site still lists Socket A mainboards xD) And another shop in the states has them, but that one seems a bit odd too. I guess I have to take the risk and grab one asap, even if that means international shipping *sigh*. It's a shame that they're so hard to get..
I don't know why you're so hard on the Infestor energy upgrade. Templar 'blend' into a big army and are quite difficult to focus in those big deathballs, same for Ghosts, that can even be cloaked. But Infestors are giant ass super squishy black slugs, big as a tank with green goop trails following them that yell "shoot me". Which doesn't seem fair at all, so if you want to remove the energy upgrade then at least shrink them down to roach size or allow them to cast fungal while burrowed. (or make burrow cast the upgrade  )
Also the VOD needs more ferret content! You could replace Incontrols screen with gifs from Tyler, maybe that will encourage him to grab a cheap webcam next time he's in town.^^ I wonder what's so hard about that, same with the mic stand. (you could buy one online right now *cough* takes only a few minutes..you don't even need to go outside into the ugly californian weather with all the sun, blue sky and warmth..yeah that's so harsh compared to our rainy cold european weather) Or you could go all MacGyver, buy a roll of ducttape and hackjob a micstand out of a old broomstick and a few cans of beer and post a heroic picture on twitter after your success! =D But I guess without hammering keys it wouldn't be the same..even PAX had to have them.^^
btw>The coin toss tournament is hilarious, can't believe that they actually raised so much money for a joke on themself.^^
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On March 24 2011 12:41 -Ziggy- wrote:Show nested quote +No matter what Nony, Socke and InControl say, MC remains the far better and more accomplished player. And criticising someone who is much better then you looks to me more like envy than anything else. It's like if I was criticising Bill Gates for his way of making money, and saying "there is a better way" although yet not discovered, and so on. Ridicules...
MC is far more accomplished and probably significantly better and that's something which they pointed out, like what, three or four times as they were talking about the finals? They pretty much said MC was the best Protoss in the world and that means he's one of the very few players that can be described as the very best currently playing. I like the Bill Gates comparison even though it doesn't work. If capitalism and corporate enterprise was something based around a one on one format which had been recently invented, continuously re-imagined and watched for entertainment you might have a point. Now, the thing you seem not to understand is that we're all hoping that Starcraft 2 has enough depth - like its very unique predecessor - to continue to evolve and produce players and games that far surpass the current state of the game. See what I did there? You might perceive it as envy pure and simple, but ultimately it's just a few passionate nerds that are talking about a game they love on a show that's highly entertaining and interesting.
I understand, and I also think the game will shift more to macro, however, I dont think the ratio of cheese:macro will ever be like in BW. To me SC2 seems much more cheese/timing orientated than the predecessor. Mechanics like warpgates, larva injects and reactors all enable a far larger army early on, and far greater flexibility so that I think solid and timing play will be much more evenly distributed.
And regarding MC, he did play some epic macro games, its just that ppl tend to forget that given his other, the "Kratos", style. I dont see him fading away any time soon. He's by no means the toss version of BitbyBitPrime.
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On March 24 2011 09:14 Scrandom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 09:09 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:30 Scrandom wrote:On March 24 2011 08:28 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:01 Scrandom wrote:
What Tyler was saying about how he hates MC's playstyle and he was comparing him to BW players like Bisu and Stork and how they clearly dominated their opponents, I don't think it's fair to make that comparison because SC2 is so different that the way MC played is how you win in starcraft 2 its not the same as BW.
Also I'm pretty disgusted that they are allowed to give their biased opinions on everything but the viewers who leave their counter biased opinions are ridiculed on air sarcastically. It really makes no sense, kind of a "high-horse" feeling to the show. WHAT THE FUCK? Did you call us horses? TAKE IT BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK I was being mature, thought it would produce discussion  Nah. You were being a shit stirrer  We are "allowed" to give our "biased opinions" because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN) it's OUR fucking show? We were also obligated to sarcastically ridicule the inane trolls because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN) it's funny. If you watch our show and get butthurt, like actually upset, you are watching / listening to the wrong show. That's the thing though, I'm not getting upset. I'm giving my honest opinion and I don't understand why viewers get ridiculed because of it. Yes you're allowed to give your biased opinions because it is your show, nothing wrong with that. But other people are allowed to have a voice too even if they aren't as entitled to talk about ti as people like the members of sotg
Please actually point out an example of what you mean, you're being very vague. I genuinely don't know what you mean when you say they ridicule people's opinions. I haven't heard that, I hear them ridicule people who say dumb shit and flip off the handle when Nony says he doesn't like MC's style. I hear them ridicule people who say 'oh you can't make that kind of comment until you've won every tournament under the sun' (<--to be read in Inc's troll voice). But those aren't examples of people opinions being ridiculed, they're examples of people being stupid knee jerk asshats who deserve to have the piss taken out of them.
So please, I'd like to hear about the bit where a listener offered a reasoned opinion and it was shut down. Because I do not recall it.
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On March 24 2011 12:27 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 12:13 barkles wrote:On March 24 2011 11:59 IVN wrote:On March 24 2011 09:59 Erandorr wrote:On March 24 2011 09:14 Scrandom wrote:On March 24 2011 09:09 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:30 Scrandom wrote:On March 24 2011 08:28 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:01 Scrandom wrote:
What Tyler was saying about how he hates MC's playstyle and he was comparing him to BW players like Bisu and Stork and how they clearly dominated their opponents, I don't think it's fair to make that comparison because SC2 is so different that the way MC played is how you win in starcraft 2 its not the same as BW.
Also I'm pretty disgusted that they are allowed to give their biased opinions on everything but the viewers who leave their counter biased opinions are ridiculed on air sarcastically. It really makes no sense, kind of a "high-horse" feeling to the show. WHAT THE FUCK? Did you call us horses? TAKE IT BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK I was being mature, thought it would produce discussion Nah. You were being a shit stirrer We are "allowed" to give our "biased opinions" because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN) it's OUR fucking show? We were also obligated to sarcastically ridicule the inane trolls because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN) it's funny. If you watch our show and get butthurt, like actually upset, you are watching / listening to the wrong show. That's the thing though, I'm not getting upset. I'm giving my honest opinion and I don't understand why viewers get ridiculed because of it. Yes you're allowed to give your biased opinions because it is your show, nothing wrong with that. But other people are allowed to have a voice too even if they aren't as entitled to talk about ti as people like the members of sotg This is so hilarious . Tyler specificly explained his opinion and said he would probably have to explain it again and again because some people won't get it. Looks like he was right wasn't he? Tell me honestly that you did not watch the finals and thought "weeell.. that's it i guess?"Those games were not fun creative , they were, for the most part, perfectly executed all-ins that would have left MC without any tech at all should his builds have failed. It was a gamble. What tlyer was getting at was that these builds were not safe, and since MC is the better player, he should probably not rely on risky builds but just play better than his opponent and win with control over the game at all times, like a bisu or stork in their primes. Go watch the game between MC and MVP in gsl 4 i think. Thats what mcs gambles look like when they fail. So that answers the first part of your "discussion topic" , I hope Now the reason you got rediculed is that tyler explained all that (only much better than I can) after he made that statement because he knew people like you would start these "discussions". And you still do not get it. Its pretty funny actually :D I'm protoss user, and actually what I saw in those games amazed me to no end. Let me explain a few things: - I dont care for safer builds. Although Im a diamond player and therefor noob compared to the pros on SotG, even I know how to execute colossus and HT builds against players of my skill level. And frankly colossus bore me to death - watching and using them is becoming a pain for me more and more. BUT since gate units are considered weaker then MM or roach/hydra, every "safe toss" is using colossus, HTs or both (transitioning from one to the other). - What MC's games showed me was, that with good control, game sense and timings one can rip apart hydras although they are supposed to "hard counter" gate units. For that alone I'm a huge MC fan, and those games were very fun to watch. There was only one not so fun aspect, and that was the ridicules ease with which MC destroyed July - and I'm saying this although I'm a huge July fan. - No matter what Nony, Socke and InControl say, MC remains the far better and more accomplished player. And criticising someone who is much better then you looks to me more like envy than anything else. It's like if I was criticising Bill Gates for his way of making money, and saying "there is a better way" although yet not discovered, and so on. Ridicules... 1. Tyler (who I would certainly term a "safe toss") just completely spanked a very strong Terran player in strelok thanks in part to a build that completely relies on gateway units until the midgame. Only then do higher tech units come into play 2. Multiple high level players have spoken to the fact that July played like complete shit that series and we can't draw any conclusions about balance or the players skill levels except that July played very poorly. 3. This comes back to the point that incontrol and the rest of the staff make tirelessly: if you can only criticize someone who is worse than you, there is no show. 1) Strelok can hardly be compared to any of the code S players. 2) Its not easy to realize whether a player played poorly or whether he was just outplayed in such a way, that his play seemed poor in comparison. 3) Its cool, however, when making a "case" it would be better to gather some proof first. From what I've seen, MC has no weakness, besides his rather aggressive attitude. His micro is insanely good, his timings put all other toss to shame, and even his macro is excellent. Just watch the game between MC and July in the group stages. He plowed through July with the same ease, just like in the finals. Only that that time, it wasnt a timing attack with gate units only, but instead a super solid macro oriented play with colossus and blink stalkers. At present time there is 0 evidence, that MC has a real weakness.
1. I'll give you that. However, are you saying that Tyler's build is garbage and wouldn't work at code S level play executed by the best players in the world? I don't think that it is possible to make that assertion, and given the only evidence that we have it seems reasonable to conclude that it is possible for pure gateway units to have success against MM, even if it ends up being outside the bounds of that specific build.
2. That wasn't your original point though. Your original point (as I read it) was that if a protoss player uses his gateway units well he can always beat a zerg player using hydras well. That is a conclusion that simply cannot be reached after only one series. Obviously MC outplayed July; that's the point. If MC played better than July by such a wide margin, we can't make any statements about the validity of the general strategies that July used in that series.
3. There are no "proven" opinions that have ever existed. That's why they're opinions. There is evidence, which is always given by the SOTG crew, but no proof.
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MC is like Slayers_Boxer of BW. Take a race that wasn't very good (how many toss won in gsl2?), play it ultra aggressively and dominate for a while before the macro monsters who have figured out your timings emerge from the new generation of pros.
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1) Strelok can hardly be compared to any of the code S players.
How about Jinro, the 2 time Code S semi finalist, who Nony also played in a Bo3 recently?
And criticising someone who is much better then you looks to me more like envy than anything else
I'm afraid until you win a major tournament then this criticism just comes across as envy.
More seriously, SotG is a show made up of a panel of professional Starcraft players, who are there to give their unique insight into the SC2 world. Basically, they fucking know what they are talking about. They know it a lot better than you do. They're really good at Starcraft, and they've been playing it professionally for a long time, and they know what to look for in a great player and right now they don't see it in MC. Or to be more specific, they think MC is the best toss in the world at this early stage of the game but don't know whether he has the same kind of talent as a BW bonjwa.
These opinions are based on a huge wealth of experience and considerable skill at the game they play as a job. Your opinions are based on watching a bit of GSL.
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Funny how Tyler says he does nothing else nerdy. Doesn't he play WOW and own a ferret or some other weird pets? Those seem pretty nerdy to me!
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On March 24 2011 13:03 Louuster wrote:
MC is like Slayers_Boxer of BW. Take a race that wasn't very good (how many toss won in gsl2?), play it ultra aggressively and dominate for a while before the macro monsters who have figured out your timings emerge from the new generation of pros.
Since when was protoss not a good race?...protoss losing in one tournament is probably indicative of the player skill, not the race.
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why is owning a ferret nerdy?
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I saw a lot of Tyler and Mcs games. And I have to say Mc is much more interesting to watch. Massing up a deathball and attack isn't really fun to watch. The limited harrass possibilties for protoss compared to Bw certainly don't help, too.
What makes Mc special is his superb unit control and that doesn't vanish even if players start to figure out his timing attacks and can defend it.
There are few Mc macro games and he still looked very dominant. I'm pretty sure he will be one of the best players for a long time in terms of computer games of course. And even if this mysterious safe build emerges, Mc would certainly do it, too.
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On March 24 2011 13:10 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 13:03 Louuster wrote:
MC is like Slayers_Boxer of BW. Take a race that wasn't very good (how many toss won in gsl2?), play it ultra aggressively and dominate for a while before the macro monsters who have figured out your timings emerge from the new generation of pros.
Since when was protoss not a good race?...protoss losing in one tournament is probably indicative of the player skill, not the race.
Until people figured some stuff out for the race (the first few GSL's), Protoss was consistently the worst performing race out of the bunch. It took players a bit of practice and learning (months of it) before Protoss was realized as the powerhouse that it is.
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On March 24 2011 11:25 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:10 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 09:32 Slow Motion wrote:On March 24 2011 08:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 05:40 Slow Motion wrote:
Tyler is awesome. He put into words everything I've thought about MC. The SC2 guys who call him a god and worship him right now have no idea what a really great player is like. The thing that annoys me the most about MC's in-game BM is that he did a to July.
July was indeed a great player in BW. His wins were awe inspiring and beautiful in a way I've never seen from MC. MC has never accomplished what July has and I don't believe with his skills he ever will. It's like watching a cocky high school basketball player beat the current Magic Johnson 1 on 1 and then brag about it. Please, show some respect to someone who is truly greater than you are.
When Tyler says he wants to meet MC in a tournament and beat him, it made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love how much Tyler still respects the BW pros. He knows his roots and history, and would never disrespect someone like July. MC is currently Goliath with all his strength and power, but Tyler is definitely David because he stands for everything that is right and honorable in esports. Nony fighting in the TSL!!! While i do not think MC is a god, he was a BW player as well. I was rooting for July at the Finals and do agree that Ming chul never really played a game that impressed me, beside his micro abilities. But thinking that Tyler can beat MC is purely wishful thinking. I also fail at understanding why you're claiming Tyler to be this pure player, the essence of SC. The Golliath vs David analogy is quite strange to me. There's no Protoss in the world that can withstand the guy. SanZenith played brilliantly troughout the GSL and got crushed against MC. Beside if the latency is horrible, Tyler will get 2-0. The guy has the momentum. If Tyler would practice 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a few months, he'd stand a chance. But he won't do that, probably never will. It's too bad for him. Yes MC was a BW player, and he was horrible too. The fact that he was in BW makes it worse that he was so cocky when playing July. July gave his dues to esports. He's legend status forever and MC is very very far from that. All I'm asking is for MC to show a little respect to a legend. And for sure Tyler would be the underdog vs MC, but I just loved how he came out and said he wants to play MC, while other players bitch and moan and are so scared of Korean pros. He's got balls of steel and I'll believe in him just like I believed in him to beat Idra in TSL2 even though he was the clear underdog. Got to agree with most of what you said right there. Though, MC is proving himself at SC2. It's true that you don't want players to be scared of the Koreans just because they are Koreans, but at the same time, there is respect to be given to guy that have 2 gsl title in the Silverware cabinet. Tyler has to beat Thorzain first,and it's not a given that he'll win. To me, it's a part of a fantasy where the foreigner vanquish the Koreans, as if it's us and them. Before talking of taking down the GSL champion, Tyler should focus on winning a title of his own. That would be a first step towards facing a giant like MC. Tyler was 6th at MLG DC and 4th at MLG Dallas. That's enough proof for any reasonable guy.
I said titles. I'm not from the being second is okay school. I'm not from the everyone has a prize for playing school. Ace as a beefier curriculum than tyler. Tyler's a very good player, I,m not even trying to say he's not. But if you want to be in the same bracket as MC, you got to be better than being a very good player. You got to have something special, and that something special makes you win titles. That's not happening for him so far. You need the extra work to be a champion, you need to run the extra mile. Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp, Kobe Bryant, they all have the same thing in common: They put the work. Train the extra hour. The diet to make the difference.
MC is doing just that. Hopefully, Tyler is heading towards that line.
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On March 24 2011 13:24 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:25 KevinIX wrote:On March 24 2011 11:10 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 09:32 Slow Motion wrote:On March 24 2011 08:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 05:40 Slow Motion wrote:
Tyler is awesome. He put into words everything I've thought about MC. The SC2 guys who call him a god and worship him right now have no idea what a really great player is like. The thing that annoys me the most about MC's in-game BM is that he did a to July.
July was indeed a great player in BW. His wins were awe inspiring and beautiful in a way I've never seen from MC. MC has never accomplished what July has and I don't believe with his skills he ever will. It's like watching a cocky high school basketball player beat the current Magic Johnson 1 on 1 and then brag about it. Please, show some respect to someone who is truly greater than you are.
When Tyler says he wants to meet MC in a tournament and beat him, it made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love how much Tyler still respects the BW pros. He knows his roots and history, and would never disrespect someone like July. MC is currently Goliath with all his strength and power, but Tyler is definitely David because he stands for everything that is right and honorable in esports. Nony fighting in the TSL!!! While i do not think MC is a god, he was a BW player as well. I was rooting for July at the Finals and do agree that Ming chul never really played a game that impressed me, beside his micro abilities. But thinking that Tyler can beat MC is purely wishful thinking. I also fail at understanding why you're claiming Tyler to be this pure player, the essence of SC. The Golliath vs David analogy is quite strange to me. There's no Protoss in the world that can withstand the guy. SanZenith played brilliantly troughout the GSL and got crushed against MC. Beside if the latency is horrible, Tyler will get 2-0. The guy has the momentum. If Tyler would practice 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a few months, he'd stand a chance. But he won't do that, probably never will. It's too bad for him. Yes MC was a BW player, and he was horrible too. The fact that he was in BW makes it worse that he was so cocky when playing July. July gave his dues to esports. He's legend status forever and MC is very very far from that. All I'm asking is for MC to show a little respect to a legend. And for sure Tyler would be the underdog vs MC, but I just loved how he came out and said he wants to play MC, while other players bitch and moan and are so scared of Korean pros. He's got balls of steel and I'll believe in him just like I believed in him to beat Idra in TSL2 even though he was the clear underdog. Got to agree with most of what you said right there. Though, MC is proving himself at SC2. It's true that you don't want players to be scared of the Koreans just because they are Koreans, but at the same time, there is respect to be given to guy that have 2 gsl title in the Silverware cabinet. Tyler has to beat Thorzain first,and it's not a given that he'll win. To me, it's a part of a fantasy where the foreigner vanquish the Koreans, as if it's us and them. Before talking of taking down the GSL champion, Tyler should focus on winning a title of his own. That would be a first step towards facing a giant like MC. Tyler was 6th at MLG DC and 4th at MLG Dallas. That's enough proof for any reasonable guy. I said titles. I'm not from the being second is okay school. I'm not from the everyone has a prize for playing school. Ace as a beefier curriculum than tyler. Tyler's a very good player, I,m not even trying to say he's not. But if you want to be in the same bracket as MC, you got to be better than being a very good player. You got to have something special, and that something special makes you win titles. That's not happening for him so far. You need the extra work to be a champion, you need to run the extra mile. Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp, Kobe Bryant, they all have the same thing in common: They put the work. Train the extra hour. The diet to make the difference. MC is doing just that. Hopefully, Tyler is heading towards that line.
Soooo....if you were going to have a bunch of people talk about football, you wouldn't let Dan Marino criticize the play of Trent Dilfer because Marino never won a super bowl and Dilfer did? But which one is a Hall of Famer I wonder...
EDIT: Just though of an even better example: in ranking Broodwar accomplishments, you'd place forGG above Yellow?
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glad to see everyone having fun, awesome episode guys! great guest spots as well..
team sexy ladies fighting!!
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I concur that Incontrol and Tyler are sometimes too critical of other pro-gamers given that they are not exactly ahead of them in any way shape or form at the moment. However, rather than listen to who is giving the criticism, listen to the criticism itself as it may be valid or not based on the content not the person delivering it (the same applies to when someone has an opinion on the forum). This same method can be applied to when you listen to IdrA qq about balance or something, just because it is IdrA doesn't mean he is right because he has the best accomplishments of all foreigners (arguable with Jinro I suppose).
I can totally understand what Tyler was trying to say about MC, but this is how I see it.
MC is a beast of the game, and when he notices an opening to go win the game, he goes and does it. If that opening doesn't exist, he will play standard and stand a good chance to win because his mechanics are excellent. Tyler was arguing that MC just went for these pressure/all-in builds blind, but you cannot really tell that based on watching a vod, you have no idea what information MC really has without a replay and without actually talking to him.
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On March 24 2011 13:24 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:25 KevinIX wrote:On March 24 2011 11:10 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 09:32 Slow Motion wrote:On March 24 2011 08:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 05:40 Slow Motion wrote:
Tyler is awesome. He put into words everything I've thought about MC. The SC2 guys who call him a god and worship him right now have no idea what a really great player is like. The thing that annoys me the most about MC's in-game BM is that he did a to July.
July was indeed a great player in BW. His wins were awe inspiring and beautiful in a way I've never seen from MC. MC has never accomplished what July has and I don't believe with his skills he ever will. It's like watching a cocky high school basketball player beat the current Magic Johnson 1 on 1 and then brag about it. Please, show some respect to someone who is truly greater than you are.
When Tyler says he wants to meet MC in a tournament and beat him, it made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love how much Tyler still respects the BW pros. He knows his roots and history, and would never disrespect someone like July. MC is currently Goliath with all his strength and power, but Tyler is definitely David because he stands for everything that is right and honorable in esports. Nony fighting in the TSL!!! While i do not think MC is a god, he was a BW player as well. I was rooting for July at the Finals and do agree that Ming chul never really played a game that impressed me, beside his micro abilities. But thinking that Tyler can beat MC is purely wishful thinking. I also fail at understanding why you're claiming Tyler to be this pure player, the essence of SC. The Golliath vs David analogy is quite strange to me. There's no Protoss in the world that can withstand the guy. SanZenith played brilliantly troughout the GSL and got crushed against MC. Beside if the latency is horrible, Tyler will get 2-0. The guy has the momentum. If Tyler would practice 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a few months, he'd stand a chance. But he won't do that, probably never will. It's too bad for him. Yes MC was a BW player, and he was horrible too. The fact that he was in BW makes it worse that he was so cocky when playing July. July gave his dues to esports. He's legend status forever and MC is very very far from that. All I'm asking is for MC to show a little respect to a legend. And for sure Tyler would be the underdog vs MC, but I just loved how he came out and said he wants to play MC, while other players bitch and moan and are so scared of Korean pros. He's got balls of steel and I'll believe in him just like I believed in him to beat Idra in TSL2 even though he was the clear underdog. Got to agree with most of what you said right there. Though, MC is proving himself at SC2. It's true that you don't want players to be scared of the Koreans just because they are Koreans, but at the same time, there is respect to be given to guy that have 2 gsl title in the Silverware cabinet. Tyler has to beat Thorzain first,and it's not a given that he'll win. To me, it's a part of a fantasy where the foreigner vanquish the Koreans, as if it's us and them. Before talking of taking down the GSL champion, Tyler should focus on winning a title of his own. That would be a first step towards facing a giant like MC. Tyler was 6th at MLG DC and 4th at MLG Dallas. That's enough proof for any reasonable guy. I said titles. I'm not from the being second is okay school. I'm not from the everyone has a prize for playing school. Ace as a beefier curriculum than tyler. Tyler's a very good player, I,m not even trying to say he's not. But if you want to be in the same bracket as MC, you got to be better than being a very good player. You got to have something special, and that something special makes you win titles. That's not happening for him so far. You need the extra work to be a champion, you need to run the extra mile. Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp, Kobe Bryant, they all have the same thing in common: They put the work. Train the extra hour. The diet to make the difference. MC is doing just that. Hopefully, Tyler is heading towards that line.
you're an imbecile
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On March 24 2011 15:49 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 13:24 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 11:25 KevinIX wrote:On March 24 2011 11:10 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 09:32 Slow Motion wrote:On March 24 2011 08:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 05:40 Slow Motion wrote:
Tyler is awesome. He put into words everything I've thought about MC. The SC2 guys who call him a god and worship him right now have no idea what a really great player is like. The thing that annoys me the most about MC's in-game BM is that he did a to July.
July was indeed a great player in BW. His wins were awe inspiring and beautiful in a way I've never seen from MC. MC has never accomplished what July has and I don't believe with his skills he ever will. It's like watching a cocky high school basketball player beat the current Magic Johnson 1 on 1 and then brag about it. Please, show some respect to someone who is truly greater than you are.
When Tyler says he wants to meet MC in a tournament and beat him, it made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love how much Tyler still respects the BW pros. He knows his roots and history, and would never disrespect someone like July. MC is currently Goliath with all his strength and power, but Tyler is definitely David because he stands for everything that is right and honorable in esports. Nony fighting in the TSL!!! While i do not think MC is a god, he was a BW player as well. I was rooting for July at the Finals and do agree that Ming chul never really played a game that impressed me, beside his micro abilities. But thinking that Tyler can beat MC is purely wishful thinking. I also fail at understanding why you're claiming Tyler to be this pure player, the essence of SC. The Golliath vs David analogy is quite strange to me. There's no Protoss in the world that can withstand the guy. SanZenith played brilliantly troughout the GSL and got crushed against MC. Beside if the latency is horrible, Tyler will get 2-0. The guy has the momentum. If Tyler would practice 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a few months, he'd stand a chance. But he won't do that, probably never will. It's too bad for him. Yes MC was a BW player, and he was horrible too. The fact that he was in BW makes it worse that he was so cocky when playing July. July gave his dues to esports. He's legend status forever and MC is very very far from that. All I'm asking is for MC to show a little respect to a legend. And for sure Tyler would be the underdog vs MC, but I just loved how he came out and said he wants to play MC, while other players bitch and moan and are so scared of Korean pros. He's got balls of steel and I'll believe in him just like I believed in him to beat Idra in TSL2 even though he was the clear underdog. Got to agree with most of what you said right there. Though, MC is proving himself at SC2. It's true that you don't want players to be scared of the Koreans just because they are Koreans, but at the same time, there is respect to be given to guy that have 2 gsl title in the Silverware cabinet. Tyler has to beat Thorzain first,and it's not a given that he'll win. To me, it's a part of a fantasy where the foreigner vanquish the Koreans, as if it's us and them. Before talking of taking down the GSL champion, Tyler should focus on winning a title of his own. That would be a first step towards facing a giant like MC. Tyler was 6th at MLG DC and 4th at MLG Dallas. That's enough proof for any reasonable guy. I said titles. I'm not from the being second is okay school. I'm not from the everyone has a prize for playing school. Ace as a beefier curriculum than tyler. Tyler's a very good player, I,m not even trying to say he's not. But if you want to be in the same bracket as MC, you got to be better than being a very good player. You got to have something special, and that something special makes you win titles. That's not happening for him so far. You need the extra work to be a champion, you need to run the extra mile. Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp, Kobe Bryant, they all have the same thing in common: They put the work. Train the extra hour. The diet to make the difference. MC is doing just that. Hopefully, Tyler is heading towards that line. you're an imbecile
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