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On March 24 2011 10:06 Dreadwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 09:59 FliedLice wrote:
It's awesome how every little bug-fart produces pages and pages of retarded, pointless, [...], idiotic discussions on this thread which could be avoided to 99% if people would actualy USE THEIR FUCKING BRAIN before posting their crap all over the place.
Good stuff. God yeah, this thread never fail to deliver weeks after weeks, the only time this thread let me down a little was when everyone started arguing about the bread scandal.
You're looking at this all wrong. It does produce pointless, idiotic discussions, but they are GLORIOUS opportunities for dickwaving.
And it was totally Day9's fault for asking for more bread. WTF! You think Bread grows on trees? It comes out of the waiter's life savings. Day9 may have just damned the poor guy.
Joking, aside, I honestly think Tyler is better than MC.
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English Table Manners in the mid-15th century:
Men wore their hats at the table to keep their long hair out of the food. Guests brought their own knives, and food was eaten the fingers. Forks were used for cooking and sometimes for serving, not for eating food - it wasn't until about 1465 that forks began the transition to an eating utensil.
There were no napkins, and guests were warned not to clean their teeth on the tablecloth. Handkerchiefs were also unknown, and men were requested to use their knife hand to blow their nose, not the hand whose fingers were used for food.
These times would not have been easy for a vegetarian - meat was the national food, and vegetables were scarce and despised.
Water was not a beverage of choice - the national beverages in England were beer and ale. An allowance of 1 gallon of beer a day, even for nuns, was common. Drunkeness was very seldom punished.
“drink no water, unless at certain times upon religious score, or by way of doing penance.”
(Sir John Fortescue, c.1470).
Today:
Be afraid to ask for bread, someone might be insulted.
Such a state of todays game.
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WHOA. Incontrol plays 40K? WHAT A HERO.
Tyranids are the BEST. I've got a partially painted Trygon right next to my keyboard right now, really need to finish it.
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On March 24 2011 09:14 Scrandom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 09:09 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:30 Scrandom wrote:On March 24 2011 08:28 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:01 Scrandom wrote:
What Tyler was saying about how he hates MC's playstyle and he was comparing him to BW players like Bisu and Stork and how they clearly dominated their opponents, I don't think it's fair to make that comparison because SC2 is so different that the way MC played is how you win in starcraft 2 its not the same as BW.
Also I'm pretty disgusted that they are allowed to give their biased opinions on everything but the viewers who leave their counter biased opinions are ridiculed on air sarcastically. It really makes no sense, kind of a "high-horse" feeling to the show. WHAT THE FUCK? Did you call us horses? TAKE IT BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK I was being mature, thought it would produce discussion  Nah. You were being a shit stirrer  We are "allowed" to give our "biased opinions" because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN) it's OUR fucking show? We were also obligated to sarcastically ridicule the inane trolls because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN) it's funny. If you watch our show and get butthurt, like actually upset, you are watching / listening to the wrong show. That's the thing though, I'm not getting upset. I'm giving my honest opinion and I don't understand why viewers get ridiculed because of it. Yes you're allowed to give your biased opinions because it is your show, nothing wrong with that. But other people are allowed to have a voice too even if they aren't as entitled to talk about ti as people like the members of sotg
The people shouldn't complain about not having a voice ON OUR FUCKING SHOW. How does that not register with you? If you want a voice GO MAKE A SHOW... why the hell are we obligated to empower every single listener with their own speaking corner? What? How does your brain even function this way? Do you call in to the radio and start yelling at them for being biased and then bitch when they hang up on you because they didn't allow you the voice you are some how entitled to having on THEIR SHOW?
Am I literally insane or does this not strike anyone else as insanely arrogant?
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On March 24 2011 09:09 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 08:30 Scrandom wrote:On March 24 2011 08:28 iNcontroL wrote:On March 24 2011 08:01 Scrandom wrote:
What Tyler was saying about how he hates MC's playstyle and he was comparing him to BW players like Bisu and Stork and how they clearly dominated their opponents, I don't think it's fair to make that comparison because SC2 is so different that the way MC played is how you win in starcraft 2 its not the same as BW.
Also I'm pretty disgusted that they are allowed to give their biased opinions on everything but the viewers who leave their counter biased opinions are ridiculed on air sarcastically. It really makes no sense, kind of a "high-horse" feeling to the show. WHAT THE FUCK? Did you call us horses? TAKE IT BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK I was being mature, thought it would produce discussion Nah. You were being a shit stirrer We are "allowed" to give our "biased opinions" because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN) it's OUR fucking show? We were also obligated to sarcastically ridicule the inane trolls because (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN) it's funny. If you watch our show and get butthurt, like actually upset, you are watching / listening to the wrong show.
you're right it is your show, and the people love you for it. but even if you do hold the ban hammer these arent your forums and calling everyone a butthurt troll when they dont like you, the king of taking random dumps on people is really hypocritical.
by all means i want you to keep doing what you do on stotg, its fucking hilarious, but im curious what happened to the professional, statesman like incontrol we were promised?
+ Show Spoiler + must of gone the same way as the well mannered idra :D
On March 24 2011 10:41 Ezekyle wrote:
WHOA. Incontrol plays 40K? WHAT A HERO.
Tyranids are the BEST. I've got a partially painted Trygon right next to my keyboard right now, really need to finish it.
i played at weekends with my brother when we were kids, but due to being a nerd in training i wasnt really artistic enough to do a decent paint job, my pieces were too embarrassing to use, foreveralone.jpg
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you are such a hater lol
I see your name in each of these threads I guess I will indulge you one time.
Where do I "wield the ban hammer" with our show? I was simply pointing out we state our opinion, then we mock the trolls whos opinions often range from "NONY IS FUCKING BAD" to "INCONTROL HASN'T EVEN WON ANYTHING" so in point of fact, I am responding to those guys and saying "get a show." Notice how we have a Q&A portion to our show? Obviously we don't just block everyone.
Now to the personal attack you made. Which, is completely standard since this is your 14th minute of fame. I am sorry you thought when I said I was going to clean up my act you interpreted that as 100% and would never joke/post on TL again. You must have been really hurt by my jovial attitude and lack of corporate behavior on SOTG. I can with respect tell you that you should probably stop being such a giant vagina. I am not going to sarcastically respond to people in NASL threads (or at least try to!) I am not going to make as many edgy jokes or rants... but I am most certainly going to call a spade a spade.
^_^ GET SOME
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On March 24 2011 10:57 iNcontroL wrote:you are such a hater lol I see your name in each of these threads I guess I will indulge you one time. Where do I "wield the ban hammer" with our show? I was simply pointing out we state our opinion, then we mock the trolls whos opinions often range from "NONY IS FUCKING BAD" to "INCONTROL HASN'T EVEN WON ANYTHING" so in point of fact, I am responding to those guys and saying "get a show." Notice how we have a Q&A portion to our show? Obviously we don't just block everyone. Now to the personal attack you made. Which, is completely standard since this is your 14th minute of fame. I am sorry you thought when I said I was going to clean up my act you interpreted that as 100% and would never joke/post on TL again. You must have been really hurt by my jovial attitude and lack of corporate behavior on SOTG. I can with respect tell you that you should probably stop being such a giant vagina. I am not going to sarcastically respond to people in NASL threads (or at least try to!) I am not going to make as many edgy jokes or rants... but I am most certainly going to call a spade a spade. ^_^ GET SOME
What? You hear that guys?? Incontrol just dissed Spades. WTF! This bastard thinks he's good, and he can't even beat Machine, that piece of horse cock.
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On March 24 2011 09:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 04:18 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 03:49 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On March 24 2011 03:30 Zlasher wrote:On March 24 2011 03:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On March 24 2011 02:42 randplaty wrote:
Tyler's opinion on MC is based ALL on SCBW. The game is TOTALLY different. SC1 pros are enamored with macro, but SC2 is MUCH more based on timing attacks and one decisive battle with good positioning than it was in BW. Tyler's style is SO different from MC, but it's obviously that MC's style works much better in SC2. It's not about the game as much as it's about how long people have been playing it. Ever since beta we have been saying that all in plays and strategies focusing on one strong timing will tend to dominate and win a lot. Those types of builds are really really strong and like 10 times easier to develop than the safer and more well rounded builds. That just makes me think of a philosoraptor saying Is it really safer If it loses more often? It doesn't lose more often at similar skill levels. That's essential to the point. It's easier to make and execute an all in build than a standard build. So if we can break down everything into two different styles, one that's riskier and one that's safer, the riskier stuff will be easier to master and the safer stuff will be harder to master. Two players with equal potential start learning SC2. One guy pursues risky style, one guy pursues safe style. The riskier player will master the game first. He'll have a higher skill level than the guy playing safe. But when the safe player's skill level catches up, he'll win more. There's nothing wrong with MC doing what he needs to do to win. Until he starts doing other styles, we can't say what he's capable of. I think people have some irrational faith in his ability to play every protoss style better than every protoss out there, and that he's playing this way only because it's dominating so much right now. Well, I don't believe that. He would have been better at SC1 if that were true. And he must know that he depends a lot on educated guesses rather than solid information. If he could win games by acting purely on solid information all the time, he would. Then he'd really be god protoss. You also have nothing to root your suspicions in his abilities then. You cannot say for a fact that Mc can or cannot play what some may proclaim as safer or standard. Why would he use other styles if he can win a boat load of money with it? People project his abilities in the standard play style because of his talent at the game. He's a talented individual at the game, i doubt that his skills would magically slip away out of his body just because the game goes into standard mode. In my mind, it's easier to critic than emulating success. Every Protoss players try to play how Mc's playing and, they just can't. I'm not a big fan of Ming Chul, but theorizing on his talent of play style or whatnot seems absurd when the guy just won his second GSL title... And any build takes a risk, because the opponent could always do the build that totally counters it. -Lecturing fucking Nony on the subtleties of playing Starcraft Zero points.
I'm pretty sure that a guy like Pep Guardiola, Arsene Wenger or Alex Fergusson understand the subtleties of Football much better than most players in their team. It's not because you are a player that you automatically understand everything much better. Sometimes you are too close to the actual action to have a clear view on certain things. Again, I'm not lecturing the man on anything, just voicing my opinion.
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ok so given the example you just did how do you compare to those guys but with SC2 as the context?
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On March 24 2011 09:32 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 08:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 24 2011 05:40 Slow Motion wrote:
Tyler is awesome. He put into words everything I've thought about MC. The SC2 guys who call him a god and worship him right now have no idea what a really great player is like. The thing that annoys me the most about MC's in-game BM is that he did a to July.
July was indeed a great player in BW. His wins were awe inspiring and beautiful in a way I've never seen from MC. MC has never accomplished what July has and I don't believe with his skills he ever will. It's like watching a cocky high school basketball player beat the current Magic Johnson 1 on 1 and then brag about it. Please, show some respect to someone who is truly greater than you are.
When Tyler says he wants to meet MC in a tournament and beat him, it made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love how much Tyler still respects the BW pros. He knows his roots and history, and would never disrespect someone like July. MC is currently Goliath with all his strength and power, but Tyler is definitely David because he stands for everything that is right and honorable in esports. Nony fighting in the TSL!!! While i do not think MC is a god, he was a BW player as well. I was rooting for July at the Finals and do agree that Ming chul never really played a game that impressed me, beside his micro abilities. But thinking that Tyler can beat MC is purely wishful thinking. I also fail at understanding why you're claiming Tyler to be this pure player, the essence of SC. The Golliath vs David analogy is quite strange to me. There's no Protoss in the world that can withstand the guy. SanZenith played brilliantly troughout the GSL and got crushed against MC. Beside if the latency is horrible, Tyler will get 2-0. The guy has the momentum. If Tyler would practice 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a few months, he'd stand a chance. But he won't do that, probably never will. It's too bad for him. Yes MC was a BW player, and he was horrible too. The fact that he was in BW makes it worse that he was so cocky when playing July. July gave his dues to esports. He's legend status forever and MC is very very far from that. All I'm asking is for MC to show a little respect to a legend. And for sure Tyler would be the underdog vs MC, but I just loved how he came out and said he wants to play MC, while other players bitch and moan and are so scared of Korean pros. He's got balls of steel and I'll believe in him just like I believed in him to beat Idra in TSL2 even though he was the clear underdog.
Got to agree with most of what you said right there. Though, MC is proving himself at SC2. It's true that you don't want players to be scared of the Koreans just because they are Koreans, but at the same time, there is respect to be given to guy that have 2 gsl title in the Silverware cabinet. Tyler has to beat Thorzain first,and it's not a given that he'll win. To me, it's a part of a fantasy where the foreigner vanquish the Koreans, as if it's us and them. Before talking of taking down the GSL champion, Tyler should focus on winning a title of his own. That would be a first step towards facing a giant like MC.
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Tyler dixit: "Whoa one banshee from a 1 base Terran, who would have thought of that." QFLOL
I agree with Tyler on the comment that MC lacks a Style still. I'm not going to say I was here from Legionnare times or something OG like that. Even though I knew about TL I just started following SC1 starting with the Jaedong Fantasy OSL Finals where Jaedong was 0-2 and went 3-2. But man when a player like Jaedong or STORK or even GoGo (ok sorry i'm his fanboi) play with the same style it is way more awesome. When they fight they fight for their truth! 5 goons never seemed more powerful that when Stork was harrasing the T player with no siege. Nor sair reaver sexy against Z.
I like July's Style vT and I was rooting for him. And I enjoyed the finals purely because of the Forfefield Micro ( to me hydra >>> Gateway units until then). But man I can't wait for a Stork-like player develops a unique style. GO DINOTOSS, switch to sc2 and teach them how its done.
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Man, incontrol sure is professional having temper tantrums everytime he is criticised, a little insecure are we, hmm?
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On March 24 2011 11:15 AnotherEon wrote:
Man, incontrol sure is professional having temper tantrums everytime he is criticised, a little insecure are we, hmm?
im not sure anyone likes to be criticized unjustly
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I like that people are fishing for a response from iNcontroL or NonY and then criticize them for giving it.
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seems fairly justified to call someone out for throwing all the toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with him
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thank you for a great show!
gogogogogggggo socke!
You got to get him stimmed if he has to be up at at atattat 5 ooo000OOO clock HHHAaaa sorry... it's 20 past three and i'm finishing the vod... love incontrol... keep the cameo coming...
Can't wait for the surprise mid cast well placed : "YEAH I got a webcam too!" by iNcontroL... that'll be a blast.
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He wasn't being criticised, it was the show that he is on, wherein he is supposed to state his opinions. If people don't like his opinions, or the other players, don't listen. That simple.
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i'd be surprised if incontrol ever got a webcam, seems like nowadays the only thing incontrol expends any effort doing is shitting over respected members of the community and robbing people for every nickel and dime he can. But thats selling out for ya
User was warned for this post
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On March 24 2011 11:20 AnotherEon wrote:seems fairly justified to call someone out for throwing all the toys out of the pram when someone disagrees with him
Dude seriously.. read the last 2 pages or so. Someone gets angry for our biased opinions and us mocking trolls... I responded... what the FUCK are you even talking about?
Another guy goes for the classic "not very professional from you" and I responded with an explanation of what I am actually doing (NEVER said I was going to be 100% boring an PC)
PLEASE make a better effort to not suck at teamliquid
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