EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2728
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Sweden7978 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:03 Rube_Juice wrote: Am I the only one who thought that everyone but day9 were incredibly, painfully negative? I actually had a hard time watching the show (I'll admit I turned it off midway) and seeing these guys shit on everything. The bubble has truly burst for them compared to their opportunism when SC2 started up and it shows in their depressing attitudes towards the game and the scene. The wall of negativity directed towards every single topic was actually hard to watch. Tell me more about how you beat Destiny on ladder ten times every day but can't win a showmatch because of a laptop. It actually looked like Day9 (DAY 9!!) wanted to punch someone with the way they were rudely mocking his comments about the map pool. We had many wonderful tournaments in 2013 which produced some of the sickest games we've seen. There's a stacked tournament lineup in 2014. We have a lot to be thankful for - and as long as SC2 is the only quality RTS around and great games are still produced, we will maintain viewership. It just sickens me to see some of what used to be the "pillars" of the SC2 community continually reinforce this negative attitude toward the game. Perhaps this negativity is a result of you not, in fact, BEING "pillars" anymore in anything but a nostalgic sense of the word. Perhaps it is because SC2 was booming and you were basking in its glory, and now you've contributed to fumbling the ball with continual immature and embarassing handling of it. It saddens me to see how this situation and these people have evolved as reality has set in over time. This is of course just my opinion, having been a fan of State of the Game and SC2 since beta. They were being honest, which is the most anyone can ever ask for. I'd rather have a harsh dose of reality over any sugarcoated lie or ambiguous evasive crap any day. If that is the way reality is then that is the way reality is, and they owe it to themselves and the community to be straight up with the facts. And I don't think they were being mean to to Sean, making fun and using exaggerated examples is part and parcel in how I usually socialize with close friends. These guys have known each other for years, I'm pretty sure Sean is just fine. And tbh I found his comments on maps kind of silly too. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:03 Rube_Juice wrote: Am I the only one who thought that everyone but day9 were incredibly, painfully negative? I actually had a hard time watching the show (I'll admit I turned it off midway) and seeing these guys shit on everything. The bubble has truly burst for them compared to their opportunism when SC2 started up and it shows in their depressing attitudes towards the game and the scene. The wall of negativity directed towards every single topic was actually hard to watch. Tell me more about how you beat Destiny on ladder ten times every day but can't win a showmatch because of a laptop. It actually looked like Day9 (DAY 9!!) wanted to punch someone with the way they were rudely mocking his comments about the map pool. We had many wonderful tournaments in 2013 which produced some of the sickest games we've seen. There's a stacked tournament lineup in 2014. We have a lot to be thankful for - and as long as SC2 is the only quality RTS around and great games are still produced, we will maintain viewership. It just sickens me to see some of what used to be the "pillars" of the SC2 community continually reinforce this negative attitude toward the game. Perhaps this negativity is a result of you not, in fact, BEING "pillars" anymore in anything but a nostalgic sense of the word. Perhaps it is because SC2 was booming and you were basking in its glory, and now you've contributed to fumbling the ball with continual immature and embarassing handling of it. It saddens me to see how this situation and these people have evolved as reality has set in over time. This is of course just my opinion, having been a fan of State of the Game and SC2 since beta. Starts with "AM I THE ONLY ONE..." then goes on to say "I turned it off half way" Come on man. At least give me a chance to take you serious.. We talk about everything being OK AND HAPPY! -> CORPORATE SELL OUT/FLUFF/LIARS !! ! ! ! We talk MOSTLY in honest tones -> NEGATIVE!/UNGRATEFUL!/NOT A PILLAR NOW! We are used to it. People are violently on either side of every subject we discuss and HOW we discuss it. I just like to point it out to people from time to time and hope they see some other perspective. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:03 Rube_Juice wrote: Am I the only one who thought that everyone but day9 were incredibly, painfully negative? I actually had a hard time watching the show (I'll admit I turned it off midway) and seeing these guys shit on everything. The bubble has truly burst for them compared to their opportunism when SC2 started up and it shows in their depressing attitudes towards the game and the scene. The wall of negativity directed towards every single topic was actually hard to watch. Tell me more about how you beat Destiny on ladder ten times every day but can't win a showmatch because of a laptop. It actually looked like Day9 (DAY 9!!) wanted to punch someone with the way they were rudely mocking his comments about the map pool. We had many wonderful tournaments in 2013 which produced some of the sickest games we've seen. There's a stacked tournament lineup in 2014. We have a lot to be thankful for - and as long as SC2 is the only quality RTS around and great games are still produced, we will maintain viewership. It just sickens me to see some of what used to be the "pillars" of the SC2 community continually reinforce this negative attitude toward the game. Perhaps this negativity is a result of you not, in fact, BEING "pillars" anymore in anything but a nostalgic sense of the word. Perhaps it is because SC2 was booming and you were basking in its glory, and now you've contributed to fumbling the ball with continual immature and embarassing handling of it. It saddens me to see how this situation and these people have evolved as reality has set in over time. This is of course just my opinion, having been a fan of State of the Game and SC2 since beta. Having listened to the show since beta, I 100% disagree with you. Sean was Sean and nothing has changed. You are see the more mature version of SotG, where people talk about important subjects like payof their bills with Sc2 and that it might not be enough. That is reality and people can either take it or leave it. I like the comment from Day 9 saying that people are complaining the game is dying when they have an almost unlimited amount of content to watch. It really sums of the entire issue in a nutshell. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:50 iNcontroL wrote: Starts with "AM I THE ONLY ONE..." then goes on to say "I turned it off half way" Come on man. At least give me a chance to take you serious.. We talk about everything being OK AND HAPPY! -> CORPORATE SELL OUT/FLUFF/LIARS !! ! ! ! We talk MOSTLY in honest tones -> NEGATIVE!/UNGRATEFUL!/NOT A PILLAR NOW! We are used to it. People are violently on either side of every subject we discuss and HOW we discuss it. I just like to point it out to people from time to time and hope they see some other perspective. It sucks that people usually only see one side of the issue. You're never gonna please everyone, especially at a time like this when the community is very devided. I thought that you and the rest of the guys were just being honest, which is kind of what people need to hear right now. | ||
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:50 iNcontroL wrote: Starts with "AM I THE ONLY ONE..." then goes on to say "I turned it off half way" Come on man. At least give me a chance to take you serious.. We talk about everything being OK AND HAPPY! -> CORPORATE SELL OUT/FLUFF/LIARS !! ! ! ! We talk MOSTLY in honest tones -> NEGATIVE!/UNGRATEFUL!/NOT A PILLAR NOW! We are used to it. People are violently on either side of every subject we discuss and HOW we discuss it. I just like to point it out to people from time to time and hope they see some other perspective. How are "Am I the only one" and "I turned it off half way" mutually exclusive? I turned it off half way because it was painful for me to watch, not because I have some vendetta. I don't really require you to take me seriously. I'm just commenting on the awful, heartbreaking negativity that you were and have been exuding. I'm not asking for "Everything's wonderful and great!", but attempting to look at the silver lining would be a nice change. I just thought it was sad to tune in to "My 2014 is going to be shitty, you won't see me around much, every change Blizzard has made is terrible, I guess I'll be jumping games". I just watched awesome tournament after awesome tournament, so I guess I don't see where you're coming from. I suppose I was hoping for "State of THE Game", not "Sad State of MY game". | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
The guy is obviously exaggerating but that maybe has to be done to sometimes start a discussion, and maybe he doesn't see it as strongly as he types but he just choose his words to bait reactions. I love this show with whole my hearth and even though I don't disagree with anything you guys said. I do not know if a show that runs every 3 months is the perfect place to discuss so much serious stuff and why you guys had to be so brutally honest. I think you guys could have picked some other topics to discuss at the end of 2013 and a pretty good Starcraft II year. At least it was a very good year for the observer of Starcraft. There is so much content we can watch like we can tune in to streams, Dreamhack was for me perfect in 2013, all the WCS finals were awesome and GSL Korea still is the beacon of great players in one league. I think you guys should have put way more of the happy things in the picture. Look at the community and all the funny things. Give shout-outs to your favorite youtube content (like carbots) or those hard working people like coyote and juicyjames on TL, or the articles written about starcraft on TL, or the teamliquid preserver (forgot name but it's hilarious) Look at the epic games played over the year but more importantly the names that were dominant in 2013 and maybe discuss some of those players. Soulkey, Innovation, SoS, Taeja and way more. We really had tons of really great players this year, players that stood above. Look at the positive future for foreigners. Put some hope into people their hearths. Talk about those top 10 foreigners and what they might bring to us. Some good stuff about them. I still root for every foreigner over a Korean, in every tournament. Look at the positive future for foreign tournaments. Can anybody be as awesome as Dreamhack? What I am saying is that I would have preferred that you guy try to make a fun show over a brutally honest show when you make 1 show every 3 months. You also have to understand that we as observers don't live in the same "world" as you guys do, we are not pro-gamers, we don't want to be pro-gamers, we don't really care too much about the financial part of pro-gaming or the mental state, or how wcs will influence the ladder for pro-players. Hmm, this is hard to put in words but I hope you get my drift. If this was a weekly show I would have 0 problems to feel what you guys feel and sympathize. But for a show that runs every 3 months it should be a "feel good show", at least that's my opinion for SotG. Anyway, this is also looking way more pessimistic than it should be. Because I always love SotG and I will love every future show, and I did love this show. Every minute. But maybe I could have loved it more?  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: People seem to want the hosts to not talk frankly about the state of the game and their lives. Personally, that's weird and I like honesty. But let's be frank here, people are complaining because the show wasn't "Exactly what I wanted and expected." | ||
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 24 2013 05:36 Rube_Juice wrote: How are "Am I the only one" and "I turned it off half way" mutually exclusive? I turned it off half way because it was painful for me to watch, not because I have some vendetta. I don't really require you to take me seriously. I'm just commenting on the awful, heartbreaking negativity that you were and have been exuding. I'm not asking for "Everything's wonderful and great!", but attempting to look at the silver lining would be a nice change. I just thought it was sad to tune in to "My 2014 is going to be shitty, you won't see me around much, every change Blizzard has made is terrible, I guess I'll be jumping games". I just watched awesome tournament after awesome tournament, so I guess I don't see where you're coming from. I suppose I was hoping for "State of THE Game", not "Sad State of MY game". haha you are pathetic. We did discuss "silver linings" in fact that is quotable from the very episode. I even stated that 2014 will be better than 2013. ok done responding to you.. cannot believe I fell for it again. My 2014 is going to be fantastic no idea where you got it in your head that I was saying I am doing bad or something lol. PS: Mutually exclusive? Do you even know what that means? How is that in reference to what I said at all? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
I love this show with whole my hearth and even though I don't disagree with anything you guys said. I do not know if a show that runs every 3 months is the perfect place to discuss so much serious stuff and why you guys had to be so brutally honest. I think you guys could have picked some other topics to discuss at the end of 2013 and a pretty good Starcraft II year. At least it was a very good year for the observer of Starcraft. There is so much content we can watch like we can tune in to streams, Dreamhack was for me perfect in 2013, all the WCS finals were awesome and GSL Korea still is the beacon of great players in one league. You want them to intentionally avoid hard subjects to avoid hurting someone's feelings? Being brutally honest is the whole point, it's why we have shows like this and Unfiltered. We get enough diluted PC garbage in big tournaments. If I listen to a show like this, I want honesty. If they did what you suggest, the show becomes pointless. It's meant to discuss the state of the game, not the desired state of the game. The Korean beacon of great players is completely flaccid, it cannot support to current scene, those are just the facts. Hiding from reality won't make it go away. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
You are the one focusing on the negative, not the hosts. Edit: this is a true SotG episode folks. Incontrol is responding g to trolls and regretting doing so. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On December 24 2013 05:51 Plansix wrote: Ignoring them doesn't make them go away. Talking about them and providing perspective helps people realize that things are not that bad at all. And all of the hosts were positive in their outlook for SC2 for 2014. Nony was saying his stream is more positive, which made me want to check it out again. You are the one focusing on the negative, not the hosts. Edit: this is a true SotG episode folks. Incontrol is responding g to trolls and regretting doing so. Sorry, but that's my feedback on this show. I am not trolling. What I wrote down is a point of criticism I have about the latest show. You also have TL+ so you can filter all the comments I made about SotG and I think I have said "awesome show guys" around 50 times in this thread, if it isn't more... I would have preferred a feel good show and you can't denie there was a lot of serious / pessimistic topics this SotG. Which isn't the best topics for a show at the end of the year. | ||
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
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Sweden7978 Posts
On December 24 2013 06:03 Rube_Juice wrote: Perhaps my language is harsh, and truly I shouldn't be commenting without watching the entire episode. It's an emotional reaction to how depressing at least that good solid hour of the show that I watched live was to me. If the coldest, most brutal truths are what the community wanted for the holidays then that's alright. I just feel differently. Then why did you watch a show named state of the game? I don't get it. This is the actual state of the actual game, and its corollary community. If you thought the show was happier before, that may be because things were different back then and a high level of optimism actually seemed justified. The show didn't change at all, the reality it's supposed to reflect did. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On December 24 2013 06:03 Rube_Juice wrote: Perhaps my language is harsh, and truly I shouldn't be commenting without watching the entire episode. It's an emotional reaction to how depressing at least that good solid hour of the show that I watched live was to me. If the coldest, most brutal truths are what the community wanted for the holidays then that's alright. I just feel differently. The game is a bitter disappointment compared to the expectations we had just couple of years ago, no point in pretending otherwise. Having said that, there is a lot of good still in it with a promise that things will get better. The show seemed very positive to me. In spite of all the problems with SC2, from gameplay to tournaments, the hosts managed to focus on a lot of the positives and create anticipation for a better future. | ||
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 24 2013 06:20 Rube_Juice wrote: To me, as a viewer and player, the state of the game seems pretty positive. The thing is, that's not really indicative of anything. If teams are doing poorly and can barely support themselves, if more teams will disband and players retire because of financial issues, that's a huge problem. Hiding behind "I just want to watch the games, I don't care about the financial stuff" does not make these problems disappear. I'm sure you had a great time watching WCS and DH and whatnot. What if next year half the players you watched are now all retired and half the tournaments no longer exist? As a casual fan and player, sticking one's head in the sand and pretending that the game and community is doing fantastic works. As a host or guest for a show that is supposed to inform and report on the what is actually happening in starcraft 2, that would be dishonest and unprofessional. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
I also found Day9's ideas on maps quite interesting. It would be good, I think, to only have 1 map veto (rather than 3) per ladder season. It would shake up the map pool and player styles and force us to accept imbalance in the name of exploring the game further. SC2 players are lazy, and we get too fixated on our ladder rank and using the same build 23423 times. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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