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tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
November 24 2010 23:59 GMT
#5381
Painuser is great, and yeah he kind of should have got an invite over some of the player mentioned just because of his track record in the pro scene thus far. But it is a European event so on the other hand it makes more sense to invite Europeans over North Americans.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 00:01:06
November 25 2010 00:00 GMT
#5382
On November 25 2010 08:58 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 08:55 Dingotrold wrote:
1. Love PainUser on the show. He's hilarious, and with both him and iNcontroL it's like two hardcore american stereotypes going at it. Great stuff!

2. These guys have no respect for/knowledge of the european scene. It's pretty harsh to bash the player list without even reading wether people were invited or won their spot in the national qualifiers. How would you ever feel entitled to a spot that was taken by somebody who won a national qualifier? I guess only an american would... The only people iNcontroL mentioned he wanted in Dreamhack were North American players... Tsk tsk.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but am I the only one who thinks that people qualifying through tournies is way fucking cooler than people buying a seat like they do in the US?


In which NA tournament do players have to buy a seat?


MLG sells tickets to fill open slots in their tournament. Kind of like having a giant BYOC tourney which people have to pay to attend, oh wait.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
November 25 2010 00:00 GMT
#5383
Don't people buy their seats at MLG?
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
November 25 2010 00:05 GMT
#5384
I really like Painuser being there as the Voice of Terran. I find it leads to either a more balnaced discussion on all three races, or more fights about balnce. Either way makes the show better.
Founder of the KiWiKaKi Fanclub: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188537 my keyboard is like half broken. like terran. please ignore typos, thanks
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
November 25 2010 00:09 GMT
#5385
I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal.

Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 25 2010 00:12 GMT
#5386
i like PainUser on the cast. He's fresh and nice to hear. Overall a chill and knowledgeable guy to be around who's not afraid to speak up against the rest of the cast.

That said, i think expecting invite over the names that have been mentioned in the invite list are a little "ambitious" as of now. PainUser is an amazing and upcoming player of course but one or two breathrough performance does not mean you are a big name yet.

InControl put it wisely himself when he said that people tend to focus too much on recent results when reputations are build over years of performance. Not too long in the future, it's very likely that PainUser will be a big enough name that warrants an auto invite.

But not after one or two top MLG placings. After all, LastShadow got 4th in MLG Raleigh yes? Does not mean that he is a big name that warrants invite over TLO / Tarson / Naama / Morrow





Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
November 25 2010 00:13 GMT
#5387
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote:
I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal.

Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4.


Bo1 really has nothing to do with it being group or single elimination or double elimination or quintuple elimination. The length of the series corresponds to the validity of the match results. It's like taking a soccer game and instead of playing 90 minutes you're going to play golden goal from the start; you'll get very volatile match results.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 25 2010 00:13 GMT
#5388
On November 25 2010 08:57 itmeJP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 08:52 shaunnn wrote:
JP has a history of hosting shows with an incredible US bias and serious lack of clue about european scenes




Seriously? I'm sad that people like you listen to content I produce.

-1 for responding to you.


Feel no shame when responding to nitwits. Rest easy with the knowledge that the silent majority has no legitimate complaints.

I recommend that you continue to invite Painuser - whether as a regular member or to fill-in at times when Day9 might otherwise be busy.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
November 25 2010 00:18 GMT
#5389
motion to make Idra a PILLAR
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 00:21:59
November 25 2010 00:20 GMT
#5390
Really hoping to see, that those americans dont even come in the top16

and incontrol please get your facts dont have a big mouth and talk without disrespect over people that are invited or qualified by a paid spot form a country!

CYA

and why dont we see some americans at those weekly cups in EU like huk did?!
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 25 2010 00:21 GMT
#5391
On November 25 2010 09:00 Dingotrold wrote:
Don't people buy their seats at MLG?


Standard open registration fee - equivalent to DH tour qualification fee and/or ticket price for BYOC open qualification.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
November 25 2010 00:25 GMT
#5392
DH tour qualification fee = free. I was in the qualifiers.

Even if you are the richest guy in the world, that only gets you as far as a BYOC tournament, where a guy much less fortunate than you can knock you out. At MLG it gets you right in the thick of things. It's obviously much more advantageous to have money in America in generel, but that doesn't mean it's not alot cooler to have people qualify!
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 25 2010 00:26 GMT
#5393
On November 25 2010 09:20 ExoFun wrote:
Really hoping to see, that those americans dont even come in the top16

and incontrol please get your facts dont have a big mouth and talk without disrespect over people that are invited or qualified by a paid spot form a country!

CYA

and why dont we see some americans at those weekly cups in EU like huk did?!


I think you have a few too many double negatives.

You do realize there there is only one American invited right?

Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 00:44:20
November 25 2010 00:28 GMT
#5394
On November 25 2010 08:57 itmeJP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 08:52 shaunnn wrote:
JP has a history of hosting shows with an incredible US bias and serious lack of clue about european scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Y0hSpi6M4


Seriously? I'm sad that people like you listen to content I produce.

-1 for responding to you.


People who once linked a youtube video on teamliquid?, what else do you know about me?. Also i listen to the show for people like idra and tyler who have a clue and make valid points, if it wasnt for them the show would be just you jacking off incontrol while he sprouts uniformed US-biased crap.
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 00:35:42
November 25 2010 00:30 GMT
#5395
Love the show to death but for the first time I have a slight bit of criticism.

I just found it funny that the player list of Dreamhack was criticized when the only reason you called the players no-names were because of your ignorance of the non-american scene and ignorance about who was actually invited and who qualified for the tournament. Which is understandable of course but ignorance is only cured by knowledge so it's worth pointing out

The list of invited players is frikkin great from the perspective of anyone with a slight bit of knowledge of the European scene + we have Fenix, NoNy, HuK and InCa which are all beasts obviously. That's 4 out of 16 invited that are non-european which is most likely a higher percentage than any percentage of Europeans at MLG for example. I know they work differently but just to put a perspective. And the lesser names are qualified players, not invited ones.

Think that was all. Great show!, It really makes all my time spent on a bus go much quicker
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 25 2010 00:37 GMT
#5396
On November 25 2010 09:25 Dingotrold wrote:
DH tour qualification fee = free. I was in the qualifiers.

Even if you are the richest guy in the world, that only gets you as far as a BYOC tournament, where a guy much less fortunate than you can knock you out. At MLG it gets you right in the thick of things. It's obviously much more advantageous to have money in America in generel, but that doesn't mean it's not alot cooler to have people qualify!


I'm pretty sure that only the online qualifiers were free.

Moving on, what's with the ridiculous implication that players can 'purchase' more favorable standings in North American tournaments? If anything, the top-to-bottom open registration at MLG is more 'fair' than Dreamhack's preferential treatment given to it's 'invited' players (those who did not go through qualifiers).

That isn't to say that Dreamhack's system is bad; only that your line of logic makes no sense.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 25 2010 00:44 GMT
#5397
I'm not gonna speak on any of the other random criticisms that people are raising, but I am so disappointed that we're missing out on a weekly fix of SotG because of Cataclysm. Fight the addiction, JP! You don't really need to hit level 85 on release night, do you? The online company of the other three pillars must be far more entertaining.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 25 2010 00:51 GMT
#5398
On November 25 2010 08:52 Bear4188 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 07:26 Monzterg wrote:
On November 25 2010 07:24 zotok wrote:
Another awesome podcast guys. You guys should make painuser and idra permanent


Painuser? Ill stop watching if they keep him on the show.
He's got no idea what he's talking about and he for SURE has no class going on air talking crap about dreamhack and making it sound like he should have a seed into the main tournament for no reason at all.

No plz, had enough of this egocentric kid.


Why is Dreamhack above criticism? The show has a constant theme of telling tournaments to get their act together.

I guess you can listen to the kickass podcast put together by the top European players then, huh.



This x10. I don't know why the whole of Europe (or at least Sweden it seems) is up in arms over the criticism leveled against them. SotG has criticized every tournament there as been for one thing or another. They will speak their mind. You also can't blame them for not being as well informed about a European event. Hell, there was the tournament in December with a large prize pool in Mexico that InControl talked about that Painuser didn't even know about. There are a lot, lot, lot of SC2 tournaments and information to find on the subject. These players have to actually spend time playing and getting better; not browsing TL for 12 hours non-stop.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
November 25 2010 00:54 GMT
#5399
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote:
I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal.

Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4.


You obviously don't really know what you are talking about. Group size of 4 is great, and pretty much ideal. Especially when it's BO3
RushBoxer!
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
November 25 2010 01:01 GMT
#5400
Hey guys awesome cast.
i know the Dreamhack tournament is a big issue to a lot of the forum goers here so maybe next time you could bring on a european progamer/guest to talk about some of the issues /player list for dreamhack. Also everyone who is really upset with the recent cast needs take what the hosts say with a grain of salt. Remember that they do these casts for us and we as fans don't have to agree with everything they say.

Looking forward to your next cast!
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