EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 270
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On November 25 2010 08:58 Consolidate wrote: In which NA tournament do players have to buy a seat? MLG sells tickets to fill open slots in their tournament. Kind of like having a giant BYOC tourney which people have to pay to attend, oh wait. | ||
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
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annYeong(o11)
Canada784 Posts
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
That said, i think expecting invite over the names that have been mentioned in the invite list are a little "ambitious" as of now. PainUser is an amazing and upcoming player of course but one or two breathrough performance does not mean you are a big name yet. InControl put it wisely himself when he said that people tend to focus too much on recent results when reputations are build over years of performance. Not too long in the future, it's very likely that PainUser will be a big enough name that warrants an auto invite. But not after one or two top MLG placings. After all, LastShadow got 4th in MLG Raleigh yes? Does not mean that he is a big name that warrants invite over TLO / Tarson / Naama / Morrow | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote: I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal. Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4. Bo1 really has nothing to do with it being group or single elimination or double elimination or quintuple elimination. The length of the series corresponds to the validity of the match results. It's like taking a soccer game and instead of playing 90 minutes you're going to play golden goal from the start; you'll get very volatile match results. | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On November 25 2010 08:57 itmeJP wrote: Seriously? I'm sad that people like you listen to content I produce. -1 for responding to you. Feel no shame when responding to nitwits. Rest easy with the knowledge that the silent majority has no legitimate complaints. I recommend that you continue to invite Painuser - whether as a regular member or to fill-in at times when Day9 might otherwise be busy. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
 and incontrol please get your facts dont have a big mouth and talk without disrespect over people that are invited or qualified by a paid spot form a country! CYA and why dont we see some americans at those weekly cups in EU like huk did?! | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:00 Dingotrold wrote: Don't people buy their seats at MLG? Standard open registration fee - equivalent to DH tour qualification fee and/or ticket price for BYOC open qualification. | ||
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
Even if you are the richest guy in the world, that only gets you as far as a BYOC tournament, where a guy much less fortunate than you can knock you out. At MLG it gets you right in the thick of things. It's obviously much more advantageous to have money in America in generel, but that doesn't mean it's not alot cooler to have people qualify! | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:20 ExoFun wrote: Really hoping to see, that those americans dont even come in the top16 and incontrol please get your facts dont have a big mouth and talk without disrespect over people that are invited or qualified by a paid spot form a country! CYA and why dont we see some americans at those weekly cups in EU like huk did?! I think you have a few too many double negatives. You do realize there there is only one American invited right? | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
On November 25 2010 08:57 itmeJP wrote: Seriously? I'm sad that people like you listen to content I produce. -1 for responding to you. People who once linked a youtube video on teamliquid?, what else do you know about me?. Also i listen to the show for people like idra and tyler who have a clue and make valid points, if it wasnt for them the show would be just you jacking off incontrol while he sprouts uniformed US-biased crap. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
I just found it funny that the player list of Dreamhack was criticized when the only reason you called the players no-names were because of your ignorance of the non-american scene and ignorance about who was actually invited and who qualified for the tournament. Which is understandable of course but ignorance is only cured by knowledge so it's worth pointing out The list of invited players is frikkin great from the perspective of anyone with a slight bit of knowledge of the European scene + we have Fenix, NoNy, HuK and InCa which are all beasts obviously. That's 4 out of 16 invited that are non-european which is most likely a higher percentage than any percentage of Europeans at MLG for example. I know they work differently but just to put a perspective. And the lesser names are qualified players, not invited ones. Think that was all. Great show!, It really makes all my time spent on a bus go much quicker | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:25 Dingotrold wrote: DH tour qualification fee = free. I was in the qualifiers. Even if you are the richest guy in the world, that only gets you as far as a BYOC tournament, where a guy much less fortunate than you can knock you out. At MLG it gets you right in the thick of things. It's obviously much more advantageous to have money in America in generel, but that doesn't mean it's not alot cooler to have people qualify! I'm pretty sure that only the online qualifiers were free. Moving on, what's with the ridiculous implication that players can 'purchase' more favorable standings in North American tournaments? If anything, the top-to-bottom open registration at MLG is more 'fair' than Dreamhack's preferential treatment given to it's 'invited' players (those who did not go through qualifiers). That isn't to say that Dreamhack's system is bad; only that your line of logic makes no sense. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 25 2010 08:52 Bear4188 wrote: Why is Dreamhack above criticism? The show has a constant theme of telling tournaments to get their act together. I guess you can listen to the kickass podcast put together by the top European players then, huh. This x10. I don't know why the whole of Europe (or at least Sweden it seems) is up in arms over the criticism leveled against them. SotG has criticized every tournament there as been for one thing or another. They will speak their mind. You also can't blame them for not being as well informed about a European event. Hell, there was the tournament in December with a large prize pool in Mexico that InControl talked about that Painuser didn't even know about. There are a lot, lot, lot of SC2 tournaments and information to find on the subject. These players have to actually spend time playing and getting better; not browsing TL for 12 hours non-stop. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote: I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal. Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4. You obviously don't really know what you are talking about. Group size of 4 is great, and pretty much ideal. Especially when it's BO3  | ||
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RushBoxer!
United States173 Posts
i know the Dreamhack tournament is a big issue to a lot of the forum goers here so maybe next time you could bring on a european progamer/guest to talk about some of the issues /player list for dreamhack. Also everyone who is really upset with the recent cast needs take what the hosts say with a grain of salt. Remember that they do these casts for us and we as fans don't have to agree with everything they say. Looking forward to your next cast! | ||
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