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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
Isn't journalism one of the most sought after and competitive careers there is? At least in Germany it's extremely difficult to get into any decent journalism school, I imagine it's even more so in the US, so the impression I get from him doesn't seem to fit the profile I have of a journalist. But maybe I'm wrong or simply don't get him. | ||
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Malphite
United States186 Posts
SOTG is the best when u have slasher or QXC who actually has opinions. GJ today.... Emotional plus lots of content. If u guys don't like how slasher acts (or any devil's advocate type), Go watch Inside the game. This is why i love this show, different persona's makes it unique. please keep Incontrol on... please have destiny on vs him.. it will be unreal. The greatest show possible with Destiny and Incontrol | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:43 nihlon wrote: It was kind of weird for EG to release a statement before informing their own players though. Seems like that would have been the respectful thing to do. As a general rule, when you fire someone, you tell them first and not everyone else. I'm sure EG will meet with the rest of the players to make sure that they're alright. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
The emphasis should be on the players and not on the casters. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On May 10 2013 22:37 Zorkmid wrote: As a general rule, when you fire someone, you tell them first and not everyone else. I'm sure EG will meet with the rest of the players to make sure that they're alright. There is a difference between telling him first and publicly announcing it before even his team/colleagues/captain know. How it should be done: Discuss with everyone who has a say in this, then tell the player, then either tell the team or let him tell the team himself if he prefers it and then announce it after it's done. They kinda threw incontrol under the bus there. Wasn't really bad how EG did it but definitely surprising to me. They usually take their time with their announcements and how they handle them. | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On May 10 2013 11:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Probably Slasher being a bit of a dick with the "now the big question is Idra team speculation!" thing? And really everything he says throughout that whole section to be honest. It doesn't seem like he has any clue what's going on. He's just talking to say words and maintain his own image. Well maybe cause Slasher is more matured or something, cause damn i looked at the vod and if you didn't know any better you would think someone died for a minute. People get dropped from teams all the time (same for regular people who loss their jobs).... I was really surprised about the reactions, i really dont get what the big deal is tbh. Someone leaves (or well gets kicked off) a team after a few years and it looks like its the biggest deal ever in Starcraft, but maybe it shows how young this industry apparently is, now i think about it. It all makes very little sense for me. | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
On May 11 2013 02:18 Empirimancer wrote: First time I've heard Genna speak and I'm really impressed, she's very smart and rational. I was about to say this! Really puzzled as to what her background is, she seems pretty savvy. She has an MBA? There was a moment where she was talking about how the players matter and the casters just cast... Incontrol kinda just stood back and was like 'damn' you could tell he got effected by that. She dissed so many people subtly, Genna is so devious. Like her shot at Proleague, never mentioned it by name but using as an example of casting was really great. Her thing about TB... well we all know he is... umm gold league.  That was cute.Honestly, casting has become so overrated, they get complained about so often, people mute them unless its a community figure than we listen. What we really want to hear is our friends in the internet talk and call a game. I am not so stupid as I need commentating to understand the game, I want as a fan to hear people I like talk. Husky, TB, gold league heroes... don't care they are great to listen too. Incontrol, 2GD, ToD funny guys. Bring me the players to watch. Yet the casters seem to get the fame. WTF do all the casters get put on a pedestal when the gamers are the reason this exists? So... ITA with Genna on this point. On Slasher: he can be a dickbag. He couldn't see Incontrols face... didn't know he felt that way. Still dickish but still, he gets too much hate. People act like its Idra's funeral, so everyone wants to pat the guy on the back, and not speak ill of him. We needed one guy to raise his hand and say 'well, he's fired, what happens to Idra now' I mean here is the communities most notorious quitter, BMer etc he gets fired, now its in poor taste to discuss his fate? Slasher treated him like who he is but not how we wanted Slasher to treat Idra at that moment. Still, I can't blame him for wanting to be a reporter at that time and really discuss the issues without worrying about feelings especially not knowing Incontrols pain at the time. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On May 11 2013 01:21 AntiGrav1ty wrote: There is a difference between telling him first and publicly announcing it before even his team/colleagues/captain know. How it should be done: Discuss with everyone who has a say in this, then tell the player, then either tell the team or let him tell the team himself if he prefers it and then announce it after it's done. They kinda threw incontrol under the bus there. Wasn't really bad how EG did it but definitely surprising to me. They usually take their time with their announcements and how they handle them. I'm sorry, but this is completely bogus. I'll agree that it was perhaps a poor idea to do the announcement when InControl is on SotG, but telling the team first goes against every HR principle. When you're fired from a company, you're done. You're usually told, and then have some time with a counseling expert before being walked out the door. You're usually able to pick up your things at a later date when no one is around. There's no easy way to fire someone, but a straight up honest and quick termination is the best for all parties, especially the person getting fired. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:58 kafkaesque wrote: I'm really confused by how Slasher really doesn't seem to be particularly bright. Isn't journalism one of the most sought after and competitive careers there is? At least in Germany it's extremely difficult to get into any decent journalism school, I imagine it's even more so in the US, so the impression I get from him doesn't seem to fit the profile I have of a journalist. But maybe I'm wrong or simply don't get him. He's a gaming journalist. Have you seen some of the stuff gaming websites put out? In some cases it's hard to call it journalism. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On May 11 2013 03:38 Qikz wrote: He's a gaming journalist. Have you seen some of the stuff gaming websites put out? In some cases it's hard to call it journalism. I don't even know how anyone who follows news media even a bit could get the idea that journalists are generally bright people. I'm not saying they're generally dumb, just that they're generally nothing special. If they have anything in common that sticks out, it's probably their ambition. Not always a good thing, but helps a lot in a competitive environment. A journalism school is not mandatory for being a journalist. There is no mandatory education for journalists. | ||
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Batssa
United States154 Posts
"Journalists" in e-sports and video games actually seem to get shit on a bunch, probably because of the anonymity of the internet. Given that's the prime medium in which we watch and digest their information, and the major medium in which we discuss such news -- as opposed to conversing with a person without using a microphone or keyboard. It's also probably a product of not having said consensus on how legitimate gaming journalists should behave and what type of behavior legitimizes them in the first place. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
Boy was I wrong, not only does she seem to know the scene really well, she also seems genuinely interested, involved and active in the scene. I always assumed TB was the sole brain behind Shoutcraft and Axiom. You have to forgive my gaming chauvinism, we haven't been treated to many female gamers / personalities who were actually sincere and knew a lot about the scene. Glad to have been proven wrong, though. | ||
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Straxis
85 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On May 11 2013 04:19 Straxis wrote: Why did wheat said that? anyone got some context? Say what? The ending of SotG? It was last ITG (check VoD /onemoregametv if interested) when they had a caller on, Slasher failed to get back on Skype etc. Nothing really. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model. | ||
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
On May 11 2013 00:33 Technique wrote: Genna saying how it is. The emphasis should be on the players and not on the casters. I agreed with her on this to an extent but bad casters do detract from the game. I think that was the point that Slasher was trying to make that nobody else picked up on. He was saying he still tuned in to watch Proleague despite the not-so-skilled casters enough to know how well EG-TL was doing. If you look at steam viewers for foreigners at least, when the GSL and Proleague are on at the same time, even lower rate players in GSL get more viewers. I'm no expert but I would hazard a guess that it's because of the casters. Slasher just didn't want to insult. Edit: On the other hand, I think what Geoff was saying was that good casters should be practically "invisible." Whether it's Bitterdam or Tastosis shouldn't matter if the quality of the games is up to par. | ||
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farvacola
United States18872 Posts
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote: I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer? In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model. A lot of the NASL's production decisions bothered me, but they most certainly did not deserve this sort of unceremonious edging out. And not to caster bash, but the fact that Axslav and Axeltoss are the de facto faces of NA Starcraft casting after all the work Mr. Bitter, Rotterdam, Gretorp, and Frodan have put in is absolutely shameful. | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On May 11 2013 04:32 farvacola wrote: A lot of the NASL's production decisions bothered me, but they most certainly did not deserve this sort of unceremonious edging out. And not to caster bash, but the fact that Axslav and Axeltoss are the de facto faces of NA Starcraft casting after all the work Mr. Bitter, Rotterdam, Gretorp, and Frodan have put in is absolutely shameful. This is true. It is weird to see this... After all NASL and their staff deserved much better... guess hard times are coming for everyone. | ||
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