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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
May 10 2013 19:52 GMT
#53721
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 20:08:36
May 10 2013 20:03 GMT
#53722
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.

Definitely. I would like to hear more about this topic. What about NASL but also, for instance; What about Iron Squid?
Edit: And HSC, Lone Star, regular IEM's and MLG's. The only one that published its roster is Dreamhack so far.. Someone should do some proper journalism on this. SLASHER!?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
May 10 2013 20:04 GMT
#53723
Plz get rid of slasher. He doesn't fit sotg and is just a boring guy imo
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 10 2013 20:06 GMT
#53724
On May 11 2013 05:03 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.

Definitely. I would like to hear more about this topic. What about NASL but also, for instance; What about Iron Squid?


Oh yeah, Iron Squid! Jesus.

Are Chinese, Taiwan, and Australian tournaments impacted at all?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 10 2013 20:13 GMT
#53725
On May 11 2013 05:06 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:03 Penev wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.

Definitely. I would like to hear more about this topic. What about NASL but also, for instance; What about Iron Squid?


Oh yeah, Iron Squid! Jesus.

Are Chinese, Taiwan, and Australian tournaments impacted at all?

Good question. Maybe some tournament organizers can be interviewed concerning this. I'd like to hear more from Genna for instance.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 20:41:51
May 10 2013 20:25 GMT
#53726
On May 11 2013 02:58 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 01:21 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On May 10 2013 22:37 Zorkmid wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:43 nihlon wrote:
On May 10 2013 16:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 10 2013 14:36 Diaresta wrote:
On May 10 2013 14:28 kafkaesque wrote:
Did the IdrA news literally come out while the show was happening, so was this news to JP beforehand?


The news was posted while the show was going on, and they noticed right after Incontrol gave a speech about Idra. The timing was pretty impeccable regardless of how unfortunate the news was.

If Incontrol didn't know, I honestly doubt JP knew.

It was probably the most candid moment you're ever going to see in Esports.

It was kind of weird for EG to release a statement before informing their own players though. Seems like that would have been the respectful thing to do.


As a general rule, when you fire someone, you tell them first and not everyone else. I'm sure EG will meet with the rest of the players to make sure that they're alright.


There is a difference between telling him first and publicly announcing it before even his team/colleagues/captain know.

How it should be done: Discuss with everyone who has a say in this, then tell the player, then either tell the team or let him tell the team himself if he prefers it and then announce it after it's done. Maybe it depends on what line of work and size of the company.

They kinda threw incontrol under the bus there. Wasn't really bad how EG did it but definitely surprising to me. They usually take their time with their announcements and how they handle them.


I'm sorry, but this is completely bogus. I'll agree that it was perhaps a poor idea to do the announcement when InControl is on SotG, but telling the team first goes against every HR principle. When you're fired from a company, you're done. You're usually told, and then have some time with a counseling expert before being walked out the door. You're usually able to pick up your things at a later date when no one is around.

There's no easy way to fire someone, but a straight up honest and quick termination is the best for all parties, especially the person getting fired.


That's hardly a universal practice, at least for any of the companies I've worked for. I know many people that would get pissed of at their management if that's how something like this was handled.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 20:37:32
May 10 2013 20:36 GMT
#53727
On May 11 2013 05:13 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:06 Defacer wrote:
On May 11 2013 05:03 Penev wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.

Definitely. I would like to hear more about this topic. What about NASL but also, for instance; What about Iron Squid?


Oh yeah, Iron Squid! Jesus.

Are Chinese, Taiwan, and Australian tournaments impacted at all?

Good question. Maybe some tournament organizers can be interviewed concerning this. I'd like to hear more from Genna for instance.


Honestly, where's the coverage of this issue? It potentially has a massive, massive impact on the entire scene. If MLG has a monopoly on NA tournaments, will there be enough opportunities to support and promote mid-tier and up and coming NA players?

Right now there are only 2 North American players in the entire premiere league, for fucks sake.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 20:57:48
May 10 2013 20:54 GMT
#53728
On May 10 2013 19:06 Malphite wrote:
We need someone like Slasher on the show... or it would be like Inside the game with EG Circle jerk.. I stopped watching ITG because all DJ wheat does is agree with Geoff and Idra all day. ITG is the worst show IMO just because of that fact.

SOTG is the best when u have slasher or QXC who actually has opinions. GJ today.... Emotional plus lots of content.

If u guys don't like how slasher acts (or any devil's advocate type), Go watch Inside the game. This is why i love this show, different persona's makes it unique. please keep Incontrol on... please have destiny on vs him.. it will be unreal. The greatest show possible with Destiny and Incontrol

well I haven't seen inside the game, but having slasher on WAS great. he definitely brought the tension, made it much more interesting to watch. I don't think the how valuable is idra, will he get picked up?" debate would have got fleshed out as much had he not been there. hope to see him back on the show.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
May 10 2013 22:41 GMT
#53729
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.



I thought it would have been a good idea to do with NASL/MLG the same thing they did with OSL/GSL. Let them take turns doing seasons and whatnot that way nobody is forced to cease existing.

IIRC OSL runs a broadcast while GSL is running WCS this season, so viewers can choose which they wanna watch, and the situation will be the same next season but in the reverse. Couldn't they do this for NA scene too? At the very least doing the swap between the companies running it would be cool, I'd be sad to see NASL disappear
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 23:53:01
May 10 2013 22:50 GMT
#53730
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
May 13 2013 13:02 GMT
#53731
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 13 2013 13:05 GMT
#53732
On May 13 2013 22:02 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?


Yeah I don't see what's abnormal here. It would kinda suck if all your colleagues knew you were getting the chop before you knew, especially if you happened to find out from one of them.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
May 13 2013 13:15 GMT
#53733
On May 11 2013 05:06 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:03 Penev wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:24 Defacer wrote:
I know we're all distracted by the IdrA brouhaha, but is anyone else extremely bummed about how Blizzard sandbagged NASL and every other small to medium tournament organizer?

In one fallow swoop they crushed NASL's entire business model.

Definitely. I would like to hear more about this topic. What about NASL but also, for instance; What about Iron Squid?


Oh yeah, Iron Squid! Jesus.

Are Chinese, Taiwan, and Australian tournaments impacted at all?

If IPL and NASL couldn't survive the coming of WCS then smaller online tournaments have no chance.
Weekend LANs should still be alright tho.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 13 2013 13:20 GMT
#53734
On May 13 2013 22:05 Nekovivie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 22:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?


Yeah I don't see what's abnormal here. It would kinda suck if all your colleagues knew you were getting the chop before you knew, especially if you happened to find out from one of them.

Eh, it's not about informing the team before the player, not sure where you are getting that idea from. Naturally you inform Idra first, then the team, then release the public statement.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
May 14 2013 07:04 GMT
#53735
Why did Genna bash Gom about the WCS thing? She somehow made Gom seems like a bunch of whiney teenage girls.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 14 2013 07:11 GMT
#53736
On May 13 2013 22:20 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 22:05 Nekovivie wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?


Yeah I don't see what's abnormal here. It would kinda suck if all your colleagues knew you were getting the chop before you knew, especially if you happened to find out from one of them.

Eh, it's not about informing the team before the player, not sure where you are getting that idea from. Naturally you inform Idra first, then the team, then release the public statement.

...which they did, in that order?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 07:20:10
May 14 2013 07:19 GMT
#53737
On May 14 2013 16:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 22:20 nihlon wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:05 Nekovivie wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?


Yeah I don't see what's abnormal here. It would kinda suck if all your colleagues knew you were getting the chop before you knew, especially if you happened to find out from one of them.

Eh, it's not about informing the team before the player, not sure where you are getting that idea from. Naturally you inform Idra first, then the team, then release the public statement.

...which they did, in that order?


They posted the news on TL at pretty much the same time that they told Incontrol while he was on SOTG. If they didn't inform Incontrol until that very moment, I assume that the other EG players were not informed ahead of time either.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 14 2013 08:36 GMT
#53738
On May 14 2013 16:19 Slithe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 16:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:20 nihlon wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:05 Nekovivie wrote:
On May 13 2013 22:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On May 11 2013 07:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:52 -_- wrote:
I'm not defending EG, but players on teams getting let go or traded without anyone else on the team knowing is pretty normal in sports.


but it's a really bad comparison. Sports teams have way more players who are often not friends with one another.

They also don't go on talk shows to talk about current events every week.

And on and on and on.

It's just unprofessional as shit not to brief the team and let people know what's going on.


Your post and those like it are mind boggling. If you were fired, would you want to be the last to know?


Yeah I don't see what's abnormal here. It would kinda suck if all your colleagues knew you were getting the chop before you knew, especially if you happened to find out from one of them.

Eh, it's not about informing the team before the player, not sure where you are getting that idea from. Naturally you inform Idra first, then the team, then release the public statement.

...which they did, in that order?


They posted the news on TL at pretty much the same time that they told Incontrol while he was on SOTG. If they didn't inform Incontrol until that very moment, I assume that the other EG players were not informed ahead of time either.

...seriously?

First it was "How dare they inform IdrA last", then it was "How dare they inform the team members last", and now it's "How dare they release their press statement a few minutes after contacting the team".

Please people, get your whining in order.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
May 14 2013 09:13 GMT
#53739
Slasher keeping it real , good job dude.
*burp*
Splynn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States225 Posts
May 15 2013 02:42 GMT
#53740
So....


I don't see this on here, but it deserves to be.

iNcontroL and Nony are going to be on SotG this week. So excited to see both of them back on the show together like this. Gonna be awesome.
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