EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2619
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
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sitromit
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On February 22 2013 14:48 docvoc wrote: The reason for that can simply be seen as the fact that in HotS, protoss has become the forerunner of all meta changes with Skytoss and 2 stargate play, etc. Zerg right now is in the back, still doing what was in WoL with some limited changes to their play style, though some players are radically changing it. Terran is in the middle, but because of this, Terran is still FAR ahead of Zerg simply because blizzard made mech very viable. It isn't TvP or TvZ or PvZ, it is the exploration of the game and the gems found so far. I would hesitate to make something as drastic as that a thing just yet. How does this make sense? Ignoring all the speculation about who has been practicing HotS and who hasn't. How come there isn't a single Zerg, who didn't have to play in the GSL, who has been practicing HotS, who has found an answer to Terran and Protoss? So the answer to Zergs doing this bad is "they just need to learn to play"? And while Zergs are learning to play, Terran and Protoss will just sit around and do nothing? | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:52 sitromit wrote: How does this make sense? Ignoring all the speculation about who has been practicing HotS and who hasn't. How come there isn't a single Zerg, who didn't have to play in the GSL, who has been practicing HotS, that hasn't found an answer to Terran and Protoss? So the answer to Zergs doing this bad is "they just need to learn to play"? And while Zergs are learning to play, Terran and Protoss will just sit around and do nothing? I don't agree completely with his analysis, but you don't seem to understand that Zerg has a higher need to know timings than the other races (they have to cut all economy unit/base production to defend, unlike the other two races). Zerg will do badly after every radical game shift because of that fact. There is probably imbalance on top of it, but it is hard to say what is imbalance and what can be solved with the shifts in the meta. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
If you make a sentry early enough, your scouting is kinda fast right? | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:52 wongfeihung wrote: Lmao QXC. "I think PvT is fine. I almost never lose." He's like the anti-Idra.  | ||
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recklessfire
United States373 Posts
On February 22 2013 15:00 ZenithM wrote: They're talking about Protoss scouting being limited against Terran, but they haven't talked about Hallucination. If you make a sentry early enough, your scouting is kinda fast right? early sentrys are really bad vs reaper opening, and especially since if terran walls off before we get in to scout the gas, then its all guessing then. | ||
mjnbowlgod
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
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Superlative
Sweden9 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 15:18 Shade_FR wrote: 7:18 AM here, I just woke up and saw that CatZ was in SoTG, can't wait for the VoD ! It was a great episode - like 90% HotS discussion covering all of the non-mirror matchups. Lots of good points traded back and forth by everyone. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On February 22 2013 13:56 Exarl25 wrote: God forbid Zerg can't easily shut down any early pressure. It was the continuous nerfing of anything that made Zerg uncomfortable early game that fucked up WoL. CatZ is frustrated guys, let him drone in peace. DRG is frustrated too buddy, and I promise he can outmultitask anyone on the ladder. its not about easily shutting down pressure, just having a real chance at shutting it down. Some people mention scouting, I drone scout, and I think drone scouting is a must, no one complained about that, you can see reaper opener, it will still hit before you have anything out though | ||
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Arkadius
United States18 Posts
On February 22 2013 15:20 dcemuser wrote: It was a great episode - like 90% HotS discussion covering all of the non-mirror matchups. Lots of good points traded back and forth by everyone. Agreed this was a great episode with very relevant and insightful discussion. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
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Nezgar
Germany527 Posts
On February 22 2013 15:00 ZenithM wrote: They're talking about Protoss scouting being limited against Terran, but they haven't talked about Hallucination. If you make a sentry early enough, your scouting is kinda fast right? If you go for a zealot or stalker before sentry, which you generally want in case the terran opens reaper, you will get your hallucination to scout his base at around 7:30 which is waaaay after you needed to decide which tech path you want to take. It suffers from the same coinflip-disease that PvP was/is infected by where there are so many things that can kill you outright or set you far behind and you can not scout it in time to counter it properly. | ||
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
Will post / update OP etc when I wake up! | ||
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Dotq
Norway235 Posts
On February 22 2013 16:11 itmeJP wrote: VODs are rendering locally, will upload them when I wake up. Sorry I value sleep schedule (and not being depressed because of a poor one) more than getting these up ASAP Will post / update OP etc when I wake up! nnoooooonoooooo  | ||
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