EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2618
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Emuking
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:01 Noocta wrote: I feel qxc trying to justify how Hellbats are by comparing them to zealots and roaches is kinda off. We all know the basic process of creating hellbat was " let's give terran a meatshield with mech by making hellion into big stompy robot that kill zealots and lings without the kitting micro requiered " There's no " hellbat have 2 less range than roaches so we have to give them splash" That's not how Blizzard do things lol. It is exactly how Blizzard did things in WC3 and WoL - there is no question there. It can be mathematically proven. Even in BW there was a TON of it especially with changing damage ranges to keep the numbers different but the average the same. You're not separating the conceptual approach from the mathematical approach. Blizzard does both of the things you said in your post. | ||
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MorowZ
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ixzenxi
United States138 Posts
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sitromit
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On February 22 2013 14:13 AgentW wrote: I think it's kind of funny that everyone's so worried about TvZ and no one gives a damn about Protoss. Sounds kind of like the last year of WoL. EDIT: Nevermind, they're getting there. Protoss seems to be doing quite well. This is IPL6 HotS Korean qualifier results. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xblr3IO.jpg) | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:21 sitromit wrote: Protoss seems to be doing quite well. This is IPL6 HotS Korean qualifier results. + Show Spoiler + Only zerg win is a ZvZ lol. I mean not great zergs but ahaha. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:20 dcemuser wrote: It is exactly how Blizzard did things in WC3 and WoL - there is no question there. It can be mathematically proven. Even in BW there was a TON of it especially with changing damage ranges to keep the numbers different but the average the same. You're not separating the conceptual approach from the mathematical approach. Blizzard does both of the things you said in your post. Yeah, but they do the stats part after the design part. Browder said it himself about units like colossi or standard hellions. " I want a very tall robot on legs for protoss.. or we'll give a car with a flamethrower to terran. That sounds cool. Now how do we make it work ? " is how they made the game. | ||
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sitromit
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On February 22 2013 14:24 LimitSEA wrote: Only zerg win is a ZvZ lol. I mean not great zergs but ahaha. This only shows from ro32 forward. Better Zergs lost in the earlier rounds. Life lost to Puma... | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:18 TAMinator wrote: Yeah its the only thing about qxc that pisses me off. But he usually has good discussion apart from that I think it is the best thing about qxc, actually. Terran players would never support him if he constantly conceded "Terran is OP, Terran is OP, Terran is OP." (and this issue will always be relevant because Korea seems to culturally favor Terran, so even in a perfectly balanced game there will be more Terrans, and people will call this imba) The only thing I don't like is that he doesn't have an opinion if it isn't Terran-related. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:27 sitromit wrote: This only shows from ro32 forward. Better Zergs lost in the earlier rounds. Life lost to Puma... Oh my god. Even as an EG fan... wow. Edit: Still though, probably like 2 weeks+ ago on an old patch (hellbat drop issues) when Life was still practicing straight WoL | ||
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sitromit
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On February 22 2013 14:30 dcemuser wrote: Oh my god. Even as an EG fan... wow. Edit: Still though, probably like 2 weeks+ ago on an old patch (hellbat drop issues) when Life was still practicing straight WoL No this was yesterday. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:20 Tarzul wrote: is it just me or is artosis a bit biased against terran? He just said TvZ was balanced in WoL. I doubt many people would agree with that given the matchup's numbers in the past few months. Artosis is biased against Terran since the start of SC2, basically. He was biased against Protoss as well until he played P. He still retains his love for Z. I'm sure he would love the race if he played it a bit extensively :D Edit: Lol, he's so not over Z, that he's ready to call Protoss (his own race) broken and cheap against Zerg :D Borderline #overlyhonest. | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:27 sitromit wrote: This only shows from ro32 forward. Better Zergs lost in the earlier rounds. Life lost to Puma... Life lost to PUMA? LOL. WHAT. Balance problem right there. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:20 Tarzul wrote: is it just me or is artosis a bit biased against terran? He just said TvZ was balanced in WoL. I doubt many people would agree with that given the matchup's numbers in the past few months. He's always been heavily biased against Terran, yeah. | ||
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LimitSEA
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sitromit
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On February 22 2013 14:39 LimitSEA wrote: Artosis right on the ball about skytoss. :< So scary. Life lost to PUMA? LOL. WHAT. Balance problem right there. I would say so.. So far no Korean Zerg has qualified from MLG, the only Zerg in ro16 for IPL6 HotS had a ZvZ in ro32. Will adding research requirement back to Hellbats fix this? | ||
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dcemuser
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:44 sitromit wrote: I would say so.. So far no Korean Zerg has qualified from MLG, the only Zerg in ro16 for IPL6 HotS had a ZvZ in ro32. Will adding research requirement back to Hellbats fix this? The reason for that can simply be seen as the fact that in HotS, protoss has become the forerunner of all meta changes with Skytoss and 2 stargate play, etc. Zerg right now is in the back, still doing what was in WoL with some limited changes to their play style, though some players are radically changing it. Terran is in the middle, but because of this, Terran is still FAR ahead of Zerg simply because blizzard made mech very viable. It isn't TvP or TvZ or PvZ, it is the exploration of the game and the gems found so far. I would hesitate to make something as drastic as that a thing just yet. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:48 docvoc wrote: The reason for that can simply be seen as the fact that in HotS, protoss has become the forerunner of all meta changes with Skytoss and 2 stargate play, etc. Zerg right now is in the back, still doing what was in WoL with some limited changes to their play style, though some players are radically changing it. Terran is in the middle, but because of this, Terran is still FAR ahead of Zerg simply because blizzard made mech very viable. It isn't TvP or TvZ or PvZ, it is the exploration of the game and the gems found so far. I would hesitate to make something as drastic as that a thing just yet. I think it is even simpler of a concept than this. Zerg needs to have a stable early game to do well. New units = new early game all-ins to figure out. Zerg will be bad until all timings are discovered and countered well. That's oversimplified somewhat and there are certainly true balance issues, but I feel that is the core of the problem. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
"Tempests are only 4 supply? No wonder I could make so many of these!" Edit: Artosis you so cute. He's the only one I've seen complaining about widow mine drops :D Probably because he's not that fast of a player ;D | ||
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