EPTIdra is allowed to criticize any person he wants.
JP is allowed to invite anyone on his show that he wants.
Stop arguing and crying.
Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2403
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
Idra is allowed to criticize any person he wants. JP is allowed to invite anyone on his show that he wants. Stop arguing and crying. | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On June 29 2012 21:53 OrbitalPlane wrote: I just watched the video of STOG. Wth was that avilo situation. I don't know him and since i am toss i don't have a strong opinion on the TvZ match up. And i have no idea if his opinion on TvZ makes any sense. But THIS is no way to treat a guest on the show. First Idra instults him very badly and then (JP?) drops him from the show without any word about it. i mean WTH did i just watch. If avilo is kind of a flamer/annoying person or what ever then don't get him on the show. But please treat your guests with respect. I think everyone on the show except qxc should apologize for this incident. While I agree that the pillars of the SOTG did very poorly when Avilo popped up, I'd like to say that the previous episode was much worse than this one, and by much worse I mean the worst episode I've watched in awhile. I pretty much stopped watching when Incontrol told the Terran audience (who complained that there was no Terran representative in a TvZ discussion) to basically go kill themselves and everyone else laughed at that. If there was anything that was unprofessional it was that episode. That said, this is not a professional talk show. It's just a show with noteworthy people talking about stuff relevant to the scene. While QXC and Idra made a hefty discussion about TvZ strategy, they did so on their own accord and not because they're being paid for it. In no way should we as the audience be dissatisfied with their discussion as it wasn't an analysis or anything of the sort, and it being a debate was kind of a joke. Avilo popping up was going to be a disaster from the get-go, and they shouldn't have pulled him up. Obviously Idra didn't want to deal with it and he made his point very clear on this thread recently, and InControl was practically begging for shit to go down, especially since he (and somewhat JP) has been making constant jabs at him for quite awhile. If there's anything I'm disappointed about in this episode and before it's the lack of respect, not just for players but for people in general. It seems like as more time goes by the show is becoming more like the Jock table in High School to show that they're better than everyone else. Obviously this doesn't apply to Nony nor any of the guests (Idra/QXC), which is funny because that's three out of the five I'm excluding. While JP handled the Avilo situation very poorly, I'd shift most of the issue to INcontrol for being out of control with his trolling. He's a great host and I like him most of the time (I even watch his stream despite being a Terran player), but his behavior has been pretty unacceptable for the past few episodes. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
Looking forward to next episode  | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Obviously qxc plays Terran before someone points it out, but a permanent Terran member would be good. | ||
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avc
121 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:46 nukkuj wrote: QXC's and Idra's input on TvZ situation was very good. I enjoyed the show a lot until they decided to bring in Avilo. He had nothing to add to the discussion and the whole ending was just bullshit dramafest. Looking forward to next episode That should really sum up most peoples feelings over the show really. The kind of useful discussion you might actually expect from a show called State of the Game. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
- All these analogies aren't necessary since you dont know whats going in in their heads (casts + co) - Professionalism is not a priority on this show - I still enjoyed the show regardless | ||
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EnOmy
Australia183 Posts
I do think bringing Avilo on for the discussion was worth the shot but it was clear from the beginning he was agitated as his first point was talking about how he feels Geoff disrespects him. Whether it was because Idra and Avilo were not coming from or place of mutual respect or because of each of their failures to articulate their arguments, the discussion was certainly a failed exercise. All up an interesting episode however. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:41 Glurkenspurk wrote: You guys are idiots. It's a few people arguing over a video game. Not some kid being bullied to death in school, or any form of life and death situation. Get over it. Idra is allowed to criticize any person he wants. JP is allowed to invite anyone on his show that he wants. Stop arguing and crying. criticize? lol this is about common courtesy and being polite to a guest you invited on the show. That entire segment was unwatchable for me, so embarrassing. Idra is such a kid, I don't understand how he can talk to people like that entirely unprovoked and not be ashamed of himself. I enjoyed listening to qxc, though. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
So many people getting worked up over it. It's also still amazing to me that people think they even getting noticed (yes that include the sotg guys). When you balance, you balance from the current highest level of play, which quite clearly is the Korean sc2 scene. Fun episode anyway, keep it up. Cheers. | ||
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Rioo
46 Posts
Really nice with a terran on the show. Hope to see more of that! | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:57 hifriend wrote: criticize? lol this is about common courtesy and being polite to a guest you invited on the show. That entire segment was unwatchable for me, so embarrassing. Idra is such a kid, I don't understand how he can talk to people like that entirely unprovoked and not be ashamed of himself. I enjoyed listening to qxc, though. No, avilo was basically begging and bitching to be on the show. So JP either has to be called a pussy for not bringing him on or giving him a shot. Hardly a guest you invite on like Husky or qxc, more like having no choice. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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Ethi
Germany275 Posts
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:57 hifriend wrote: criticize? lol this is about common courtesy and being polite to a guest you invited on the show. That entire segment was unwatchable for me, so embarrassing. Idra is such a kid, I don't understand how he can talk to people like that entirely unprovoked and not be ashamed of himself. I enjoyed listening to qxc, though. Idra is Idra. Asking him to be polite to people he does not like is like asking the sun to be cold. People should know by now what they are getting into when they talk with him. It is clear he is willing to have a good discussion about any match up and tell anyone how he thinks they could win. Idra has a really good grip on the meta game and the ebb and flow that is created by a new patch/build. Idra is even willing to say when he doesn’t know something, which was clear when he was talking about BC. But coming at him with the argument that “The Queen buff lets the zerg get 80 drones” is not going to get you anywhere. He is going to shoot that down hard because it is an over simplistic argument that leaves out all the nuance that was brought up in the discussion with QXC. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:38 Mczeppo wrote: Idra being avilos teacher. Are you serious with that comparison? wth I don't know how long you have been following Sc2 but Idra has been a relevant player for a very long time. In addition to that he has been talking balance and tactics for as long and has almost always been right (and he admitted to being wrong when he did like when he called Nestea bad after Nestea 1st GSL win and admitted being wrong). Then him an QXC have a really good and smart talk about current state of TvZ. The Avilo comes in and shows kid like knowledge and understanding, ignores all that has been said prior to that. Yes, my comparison stands. | ||
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:41 Glurkenspurk wrote: You guys are idiots. It's a few people arguing over a video game. Not some kid being bullied to death in school, or any form of life and death situation. Get over it. Idra is allowed to criticize any person he wants. JP is allowed to invite anyone on his show that he wants. Stop arguing and crying. I agree with this guy. I read this thread and then listened to the podcast this morning. From the way you guys were describing it, I expected something SOOOO much worse. That was actually pretty tame. Grow up guys, it's just a podcast. Spend your energy on something other than playing etiquette police for a podcast. | ||
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lightertripod
United Kingdom44 Posts
personally I don't know much about Avilo but I think he did ok and it took a lot of balls (maybe stupidity aswell) to go on he was never going to come out of it looking good. Don't feel either Idra or Avilo's points where great one clearly not being a player at the highest level and the other being obnoxiously bias. QXC as always was awesome felt he could of done little more to push Idra's points since I felt his answers where kind of flimsy saying you cannot do the samething you was doing but there are things you can do really is not an answer while Greg is a decent enough player combind with lots of other incidents its points to the fact he need a lot of work in the area of being a decent human being respect is not given it is earned but its a 2 way door he seems to think he should have it while showing very little himself. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
Or bring Naniwa in, so he and Idra can discuss the state of their tumultous relationship. Think of how huge the reddit thread for that would be! | ||
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Barleyarley
United Kingdom20 Posts
I didn't know anything about Avilo before watching this episode but, from the basis of this podcast, he really didn't do anything to deserve the abuse that he received. As soon as he entered the chat it was pretty clear from viewing it that it was going to be a hostile environment, and he was perfectly within his rights to try and address InControl's issues with him. InControl was either too cowardly or too arrogant to give a response though. QXC is clearly quite articulate and did well to not get dragged into the mess at the end of the show, but I felt like Avilo did a much better job in being concise with his argument. He became more aggressive as the conversation went on, but it was quite clear that none of them where willing to hear out his points anyway and were more interested in trying to bait him into a reaction. Imagine how frustrating it must be to enter a podcast to discuss something you feel you have something to say about, and just have people belittle you and completely ignore what you came to say anyway. If these 3 guys think that it is acceptable to belittle less-known members of the community and completely write off their opinions because they don't get a pay cheque from being involved in what they love, then I suppose they should continue acting as they did in this podcast. But maybe they should try to be more aware that it is the same community, that is involved in eSports for the love of it that puts them on that pedestal. That provides the audience that allows them to make a living from eSports. That ultimately allows them to live a lifestyle that most gamers would dream off. All 3 of them are only in the position that they are today because of the grace of the community. JP is not a good caster and not exactly an enigmatic character, he was just in the right place at the right time. inControl and Idra are both still riding off their earlier successes and neither look like ever really being relevant on the wider competitive scene again. This grace will wane eventually, and it will fade a whole lot faster if they continue to conduct themselves in the manner that they did on this podcast. But of course, I don't wear a team jersey, so my opinion is probably pretty irrelevant. PS. Idra calling MKP terrible was a particular highlight for me, they ego on that guy (just a shame he has nothing to back it up with)... | ||
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