EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2392
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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boretusmax
Finland75 Posts
idra/incontrol acting like immature 12 year olds? nothing new to me. And so called community acting even worse once again. May diarrhea and onionsoup storm land on all of this drama. (Some actually allmost civil conversations going on thou so not absolutely shipwreked discussion.... yet) | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:18 mambar wrote: I really don't understand why anyone would try to dismiss IdrA's feelings on the game. He's clearly extremely knowledgeable about it. People wouldn't let their own biases allow them to dismiss IdrA as biased, would they? Maybe because people who have actually followed him know his words have very little value in comparison to actual pros? He always balance whines in favor of his race regardless of circumstances. Take Grubby or Qxc as an example of people with actual knowledge rather than full on bias. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:29 sekritzzz wrote: Maybe because people who have actually followed him know his words have very little value in comparison to actual pros? He always balance whines in favor of his race regardless of circumstances. Reminds me of MVP. | ||
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PesteNoire
151 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:29 sekritzzz wrote: Maybe because people who have actually followed him know his words have very little value? He always balance whines in favor of his race regardless of circumstances. and lots of it has actually been touched on by balance patches... Many people downplay absolutely everything he says as complete bullshit, and that is simply not true. Often he makes very good points, which are unfortunately outshined by people who only talk about how he completely fucking serious he was when he said terran was fucking bullshit in that ladder game against a good friend of his. NAturally, there are some cases where he has been wrong, but that isn't even close to enough reason to shoot down everything he says | ||
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mambar
United States841 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:29 sekritzzz wrote: Maybe because people who have actually followed him know his words have very little value in comparison to actual pros? He always balance whines in favor of his race regardless of circumstances. Nice snarky assumption that I haven't "actually followed him." Yeah, he can be over the top, but his analysis is often dead-on. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
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Wizrar
United States5 Posts
All of the viewers knew how that was going to end. Avilo knew how that was going to end. That's how it ended. Utter shock among the community. .-. wat. I am not going to justify either side because nobody is right here. It was a situation that should have been avoided but wasn't. However, I can't comprehend why people are blowing this up to be such a huge deal. Avilo doesn't have the same understanding of the game that pros do, and I don't think anyone can deny that. That being said, I feel Idra was completely justified in being frustrated talking with him. Anybody would get frustrated trying to argue with someone about something you have a much deeper understanding of because a portion of what they are saying you know for a fact is not true. Idra clearly didn't want to talk to him in the first place because of this. On Avilo's end, he knew what he was getting himself into and unlike a lot of what I am reading on here, he wasn't so innocent himself. He failed to accept Idra's opinion about any of the in-game situations he was complaining about and at one point was even putting words into Greg's mouth and interrupting him. Could both people have handled it better? Sure. Is it some complete atrocity the way that he handled it? I don't believe so. In the end, he should have never been brought on. Hindsight is 20/20. | ||
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:32 Aocowns wrote: and lots of it has actually been touched on by balance patches... Many people downplay absolutely everything he says as complete bullshit, and that is simply not true. Often he makes very good points, which are unfortunately outshined by people who only talk about how he completely fucking serious he was when he said terran was fucking bullshit in that ladder game against a good friend of his. NAturally, there are some cases where he has been wrong, but that isn't even close to enough reason to shoot down everything he says his posts/blogs/threads are always biased and would be considered by ANY notable pro as mindless balance whining by a mediocre player. he made a blog essentially saying TvP is unwinnable/unfair last month, and this month he is on to TvZ. he is obnoxious with the points he made in the conversation while for the most part IdrA was very calm, but with any legitimate high level point IdrA made, avilo would simply just counter it with a one-liner. I can only fathom people liking him/ defending his points because they are ALSO generic terran-whiners who just move to the new flavor of the month thing to complain about.. in some ways they look to terrans like Avilo (who complain, all day, about everything..) as their King. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:34 Wizrar wrote: On Avilo's end, he knew what he was getting himself into and unlike a lot of what I am reading on here, he wasn't so innocent himself. He failed to accept Idra's opinion about any of the in-game situations he was complaining about and at one point was even putting words into Greg's mouth and interrupting him. In the end, he should have never been brought on. Hindsight is 20/20. I highly doubt Avilo knows for certain what he's getting himself into a pure ridicule and bully. He even said so himself just a few posts ago, probably didn't think SOTG were enough of a jackasses to say those things right in his face | ||
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TheZanthex
United States144 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:34 Wizrar wrote: The cast knew how that was going to end All of the viewers knew how that was going to end. Avilo knew how that was going to end. That's how it ended. Utter shock among the community. .-. wat. I am not going to justify either side because nobody is right here. It was a situation that should have been avoided but wasn't. However, I can't comprehend why people are blowing this up to be such a huge deal. Avilo doesn't have the same understanding of the game that pros do, and I don't think anyone can deny that. That being said, I feel Idra was completely justified in being frustrated talking with him. Anybody would get frustrated trying to argue with someone about something you have a much deeper understanding of because a portion of what they are saying you know for a fact is not true. Idra clearly didn't want to talk to him in the first place because of this. On Avilo's end, he knew what he was getting himself into and unlike a lot of what I am reading on here, he wasn't so innocent himself. He failed to accept Idra's opinion about any of the in-game situations he was complaining about and at one point was even putting words into Greg's mouth and interrupting him. Could both people have handled it better? Sure. Is it some complete atrocity the way that he handled it? I don't believe so. In the end, he should have never been brought on. Hindsight is 20/20. Yeah, I completely agree with you. They all are incredulously acting as if this is BIG news. When, in reality it's not like this would have turned out any differently. Unfortunately, the IdrA and Qxc discussion is being shoved away, even though it was rather good, imo. | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
tl;dr I think balance discussions infront of an audience serve no purpose other than providing an opportunity for drama. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:31 PesteNoire wrote: Idra "you can still be aggressive off 3 CC" Really???!!? Idra... Really??????? Oh, you can. That was one thing I agreed with--for example...try very heavy bio aggression like MVPsc might do. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:09 Cwall(Progamer) wrote: Please do not insult me. This was a big issue in this episode, Avilo brought up excellent points and idra told him to "shut the fuck up you fucking faggot." Avilo is a very good player and he knows his stuff. His speech issue may hurt him getting out his opinions, but he is still one of the few tactical geniuses in the star craft community. this guy is good at putting words in people's mouth | ||
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bobzx
14 Posts
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:31 Jaeger wrote: The idra qxc discussion was actually great. Very few people seem to care however. It was one of the best segments SoTG has had for a long time. 2 knowledgeable players discussing strategy with no bullshit drama. They need to do more of this. | ||
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:37 iky43210 wrote: I highly doubt Avilo knows for certain what he's getting himself into a pure ridicule and bully. He even said so himself just a few posts ago, probably didn't think SOTG were enough of a jackasses to say those things right in his face ... He failed to accept Idra's opinion about any of the in-game situations this. the reason IdrA / others started flaming him is because he is so ignorant of actual discussion and just wants to get to the one-liner balance complaints. the fact so many people defend such an obnoxious, idiotic way to have a conversation is beyond me.. losing hope in the community by the moment. | ||
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mambar
United States841 Posts
On June 29 2012 13:40 bobzx wrote: This community is so funny sometimes. Idra and QXC had a great discussion and both made valid points and even agreed with each other on some things. Than I'm guessing because that chat went nuts with CALL AVILO they'd called him and he just turned out to be some hardheaded kid. No matter what Idra said it was just flushed away with someone who wasn't listening and just stuck on one point. He's suppose to sit there and debate with someone who won't budge and twist his words. On June 29 2012 13:40 slicknav wrote: It was one of the best segments SoTG has had for a long time. 2 knowledgeable players discussing strategy with no bullshit drama. They need to do more of this. Thank you for posts like these, glimmers of hope in a sea of bullshit | ||
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