EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2176
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:32 obsidia wrote: Noones doing it because its 'popular'. If you watched the GSL early 1-2-3 open seasons at the beginning of sc2 it was clear tasteless was activly playing sc2 at some level ( not sure how good he was at that time ). Now its very evident that artosis is the crutch of the duo and is soley responsible for providing detailed knowledge of the game and mid-high level strategies... Everytime I hear tasteless say "ooh im gonna steal that build" or "I cant wait to try that" it just seems to be an outright lie. The community was incredibly critical about Moletrap and other such casters like Orb and whatnot for making mistakes or lack of game knowledge or just being unpleasant/obnixious to listen too, personally I find day9's extremely loud and dominant style in duos unpleasant aswell. But its clear that the free-pass tasteless seems to have been given is fast running out. Being a caster requires many things; articulation, knowledge, etc etc but most importantly a pleasant voice... Compare some of the old BW casts he did with what you heard at MLG and its unbelievable, physically painful to listen to. Several times I had to mute the cast. Your trying to dismiss valid concerns and needed competition from casters by giving a sub-par caster arbitrary immunity. Try atleast consider why a large section of the community is becoming increasingly critical of Tasteless. If he was to devote himself to the game that his job is based off of, im sure his knowledge would increase aswell as the communities attitude towards him. Stopping smoking and other addictions might help too I am so confused. Where did this Tastless hate come from? Is he the thing people have decided to hate about this tournament? I did not notice any thing different about his casting and enjoyed all of it. | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
drg/ mkp got history. it was a best of 7, down to the last game. all it lacked was an audience, but we'll see it at the spring championship ^^ the whole foreigner beating a korean has gotten dulled thanks to naniwa ^^ | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:30 Ravnemesteren wrote: Shouldn't the quality of the games themselves be irrelevant in a debate about which event did a better job? In a debate about which event did a better job, maybe. But that debate is more suited for the panel of the Executives podcast rather than the State of the Game one. The quality of the games should be considered a more significant criteria for a panel made out of actual players and veterans of the game. Then there's also the fact that people involved with State of the Game really want to talk about whatever they feel like talking about - when they do, that's when we get the best shows anyway. SoTG isn't designed to be some sort of a universal news service for SC2, they don't need to have complete coverage of everything that happened. | ||
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Rockmonsterdude
Sweden169 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:32 obsidia wrote: Noones doing it because its 'popular'. If you watched the GSL early 1-2-3 open seasons at the beginning of sc2 it was clear tasteless was activly playing sc2 at some level ( not sure how good he was at that time ). Now its very evident that artosis is the crutch of the duo and is soley responsible for providing detailed knowledge of the game and mid-high level strategies... Everytime I hear tasteless say "ooh im gonna steal that build" or "I cant wait to try that" it just seems to be an outright lie. The community was incredibly critical about Moletrap and other such casters like Orb and whatnot for making mistakes or lack of game knowledge or just being unpleasant/obnixious to listen too, personally I find day9's extremely loud and dominant style in duos unpleasant aswell. But its clear that the free-pass tasteless seems to have been given is fast running out. Being a caster requires many things; articulation, knowledge, etc etc but most importantly a pleasant voice... Compare some of the old BW casts he did with what you heard at MLG and its unbelievable, physically painful to listen to. Several times I had to mute the cast. Your trying to dismiss valid concerns and needed competition from casters by giving a sub-par caster arbitrary immunity. Try atleast consider why a large section of the community is becoming increasingly critical of Tasteless. If he was to devote himself to the game that his job is based off of, im sure his knowledge would increase aswell as the communities attitude towards him. Stopping smoking and other addictions might help too I think tasteless also need to step it up. It is his job and he need to be updated on what's going on! If we look at the korean casters we have still a long way to go, but casters like Artosis, Apollo, (Day9), wolf are going in the right direction atleast (might have missed some good casters...). And if you don't want to play or want to get better at understanding the game I think you should step down and let others try your seat! | ||
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statikg
Canada930 Posts
I also feel that there is a bit of a cultural devide between korea and NA/euro. For example when I watch marine kings stream I appreciate that he talks to the chat a bit, but his version of talking to the chat is little cute responses that don't really work for me. I'm sure it has to do partly with ESL but I also think thats how koreans interact moreso then NA/europeans. My point is, when you develop this connection with your favourite streamers which tend to be from your own culture, you want to cheer for those players in tournaments, and when all the players you want to cheer for get knocked out fairly early, that sucks and makes me turn off the tournament. So yes I would rather watch a tournament with players I like doing well, then a higher quality (playwise) tournament with players I don't care as much about and I imagine that more people then not feel the same way. | ||
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Humbalumba
Germany463 Posts
In exchange for that youve got better storylines, several upsets (PuMa,NaNiwa,MaNa and to a lesser extend TLO and Genius) and in general more hype at DreamHack, and if above mentioned players had played as good as they could, the games would`ve been better ,but you can`t blame the organizers for that. I think it`s just a matter of personal preference which you prefere and imo, both events would be perfect if DH invites maybe 2-4 more high-level koreans and mlg arena would open up just a little bit for the crowd. sorry for bad school english, just hoping somebody understands what i think  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:44 Talin wrote: In a debate about which event did a better job, maybe. But that debate is more suited for the panel of the Executives podcast rather than the State of the Game one. The quality of the games should be considered a more significant criteria for a panel made out of actual players and veterans of the game. Then there's also the fact that people involved with State of the Game really want to talk about whatever they feel like talking about - when they do, that's when we get the best shows anyway. SoTG isn't designed to be some sort of a universal news service for SC2, they don't need to have complete coverage of everything that happened. They seem to be cursed with this issue, though. I think JP should just list out the upcomming event on the next SotG and allow a set amount of time for each. Then he should cut the other hosts off mid thought or cut out their mic if they run out of time. This will make sure that eveyone is happy and they do not focus on an single event to much. It will make for a terrible show, but people will finely get what they wanted. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:41 Plansix wrote: I am so confused. Where did this Tastless hate come from? Is he the thing people have decided to hate about this tournament? I did not notice any thing different about his casting and enjoyed all of it. It's criticism, not blind hate. He listed all the reasons why he's kind of fallen off as a caster nowadays, you know? Personally, I don't like casters who aren't up to date on the current metagame. It annoys me to hear TB, and occasionally Tasteless say something silly and completely wrong during a cast. I'm not going to HATE them for what they do, since they're just appealing to different crowds who DO enjoy their casting, though. If I could snap my fingers and make one thing happen tomorrow, it wouldn't be world peace, solving poverty or creating an enlightened society... it'd be to get tasteless to play SC2 again, regularly, so that he could cast like he did for the first year of SC2! | ||
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phate
81 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:40 epik640x wrote: Can't blame tasteless for not playing SC2 anymore, it's not exactly fun like BW was. Regardless of your opinion of which is more fun. If a lack of casting begins to affect his casting (his job), then it should be looked at negatively. note: I don't have a personal opinion on whether he still plays or not. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:38 Liquid`NonY wrote: Yeah I have no problem with people saying what they like to watch. I don't like people saying that one event is better than another when each event had different strengths. I don't like people proclaiming that one type of event is the way all events should be. Event organizers are clearly going for different things and appeasing different crowds. It's true that there is theoretically one formula that is the most popular one. And that just means it's best in the "most viewed" or "most liked" category, but not necessarily best in a bunch of other categories. So if we sought out that formula and only had events according to that formula, it would disappoint a lot of people. Variety is going to win out so people need to get used to there being successful events that they don't prefer (or even enjoy at all). I find it especially ridiculous when DH runs a tournament that is much more like MLG's championship events and yet people make comparisons to MLG's 8 man arena event just because they're on the same weekend. Guess what? Sundance gets it. He's purposely running different kind of content supplemental to the championship events. Inviting 8 players to a business's office that's been converted into a studio with no live audience is pretty much the exact opposite of MLG's normal events and DH's Stockholm Open. So when the DH fanboys start talking a bunch of shit about how good their event was, the people who quite enjoyed and even preferred MLG's event are going to get defensive. People act like it's preposterous to think that MLG's Arena was better and yet according to my personal preferences it's preposterous to think DH's event was better. If everyone could simply support the things they like and be honest about the strengths and weaknesses of events, we could have a much nicer discussion. I'm appalled by people saying DH's event was amazing when its first day was one of the shittiest things I've ever watched. People talking up DH's event as amazing are clearly not being objective and accurately descriptive. As ever Tyler makes a some good points, DH day 1 was pretty awful at times but the hype of the finals, the fact Thorzain won and the fantastic setting and atmosphere along with some nice little touches (muting the mics when Thorzain's booth door was opened) all created a fantastic end to an event that started rather poorly. I am personally of the opinion that DH is better than MLG at the championship event thing. Personally I still think both events have a fair distance to travel until they have perfected the formula for a 'perfect' event. The claim though That the whole of DH was better than MLG is I think wrong though and people only say that because the final 8 was so amazing, the event still had issues. Also why are we arguing over which event was the best when both have issues they need to overcome and instead start looking to ways for these Organisations to improve to make things even better. At the moment DH is king when it comes to the finals of events and am still of the opinion that DH winter 2011 was the best finals of any SC2 event with DH Stockholm a close second but for a lot of those events their are problems such as Joke games. MLG however avoids the joke game issue and has a better setup to show quality SC2 either at their Championships or Arenas but the presentation is not yet at the same Level of DH and after listening to MLG Adam on the last SoTG I dont think they ever will be. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:38 Liquid`NonY wrote: If everyone could simply support the things they like and be honest about the strengths and weaknesses of events, we could have a much nicer discussion. I'm appalled by people saying DH's event was amazing when its first day was one of the shittiest things I've ever watched. rofl, you are such a hypocrite. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:53 goiflin wrote: It's criticism, not blind hate. He listed all the reasons why he's kind of fallen off as a caster nowadays, you know? Personally, I don't like casters who aren't up to date on the current metagame. It annoys me to hear TB, and occasionally Tasteless say something silly and completely wrong during a cast. I'm not going to HATE them for what they do, since they're just appealing to different crowds who DO enjoy their casting, though. If I could snap my fingers and make one thing happen tomorrow, it wouldn't be world peace, solving poverty or creating an enlightened society... it'd be to get tasteless to play SC2 again, regularly, so that he could cast like he did for the first year of SC2! Ah, so this is nothing new, it is just the same old complaint leveled against the play by play caster that has always been around. I guess some things never change. Personally I love TB and Tasteless, because I watch SC 2 with my girlfriend and other people who do not play like me. Without them, my girlfriend would never enjoy watching the game without investing as much time as I have. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:07 Thrombozyt wrote: The sad part is that Artosis more often than not does the play by play and tasteless is more like an affirmative guy. The cast of wolf+artosis was better than the current state of the casting archon. So true. Artosis has been doing a ton of play by play as well as analysis ever since he started casting SC2. Tastosis has never been an analytical-play by play pair, they've been a pair of one guy who does everything, and the other guy who seems to be in there for the fun of it. Not that I mind Tasteless' presence at all though, I don't have this iron professionalism expectation of everyone who shows up on the screen. In fact there are few things that annoy me more than forced professionalism. | ||
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
How is that Hypocritical Im one of the DH>MLG people but even I will admit DH day 1 was shit, or do you find SaSe bullying 12year old's fun? | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:43 masakenji wrote: honestly, you really cannot compare drg vs mkp and thorzain vs polt. drg/ mkp got history. it was a best of 7, down to the last game. all it lacked was an audience, but we'll see it at the spring championship ^^ the whole foreigner beating a korean has gotten dulled thanks to naniwa ^^ Thorzain and Polt doesn't have history? They've met 3 times before this final, all three times in the finals of MSI Pro Cup. Polt won 3-0, 3-0 and 3-1. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:13 MarcH wrote: How is that Hypocritical Im one of the DH>MLG people but even I will admit DH day 1 was shit, or do you find SaSe bullying 12year old's fun? Whoa, wait, I missed that last part. When did SaSe throw down on a 12 year old? | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:13 MarcH wrote: How is that Hypocritical Im one of the DH>MLG people but even I will admit DH day 1 was shit, or do you find SaSe bullying 12year old's fun? Nony is being a hypocrit because he only talks about his preferred strength of MLG and disses all other aspect the NON FANS OF SC2 liked about DH. And Day 1 was shit, though it had it's positives, but overall the event was a lot better than anything produced by now (non GSL). And if you think that was bullying .... | ||
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I used to love him but he just doesnt have a clue.
