EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2049
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Gosi
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deadmau
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On February 13 2012 07:22 Gosi wrote: And here JP goes with the "thousands of games" thing to check map balance again... -_- Is that number too high? | ||
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Wherewolf
United States353 Posts
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:21 StarscreamG1 wrote: With 6 range you dont have to commit too much on phoenix to control them (mutas). Beacon and upgrade will be expensive, but you'll not spend too much on phoenix themself. On February 13 2012 07:21 iNcontroL wrote: don't need 20 untouchable phoenix..only like 6-8 lol ok then the z would just mix in a few corruptors w/ his muts and the p wouldnt be able to engage his army and theyd still have map control, all this while sitting on an insane econ | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Yes. There shouldn't be thousands and thousands of games on a map to check balance, that is way to many games. The map pool should rotate more like in BW and if a map is just way to broken or is showing bad games then just scrap it. Isn't Destination the most played BW map in competitive games and it has only like 3000 games? Compare that to most map in the current map pool in any tournament. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:21 iNcontroL wrote: don't need 20 untouchable phoenix..only like 6-8 lol TT1's analysis of Penix in the next patch is very inline with how I saw it playing out. All these noobs crying about how Penix are too strong vs mutas now don't realize the investment it will take to get there. Incontrol i've seen you use your double Stargate chronoboosted Penix build against mutas, to a little success. While you didn't play against the best players it's an alright counter to mutas, but not that great. Imagine tossing in a Fleetbeacon and Penix upgrade now. Good luck affording that, and I see you stay on 2 base pumping Penix with a pretty late 3rd. No way you're gonna afford FB and upgrade on top of 2 stargates. +1 for TT1 here. edit: oh yea, zerg can just split his mutas against your little 6 pack of Penix with expensive ass upgrade. Good bye 2 base econ against 4 base zerg. As catz said, this upgrade is just irrelevant, doesn't help protoss or hurt zerg. It's just a weird addition to the game. Seriously FBeacon @ 2base? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On February 13 2012 07:20 SeaSwift wrote: Wait, what? The only direct change is make Zerg more likely to win with BL/Infestor. Why does making Ghosts weaker make the game more APM intensive? I thought it was a major part of the discussion here in TL that the alternative is better management on Vikings, splitting them, baby-sitting more, etc. Or to compensate more with multi-tasking based play (triple dropped mentioned this SOTG). There could be another, non-APM intensive way proposed, but I haven't heard it yet. Also, please don't quote and delete half a post... That's what square bracket "b" is for. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:27 deadmau wrote: TT1's analysis of Penix in the next patch is very inline with how I saw it playing out. All these noobs crying about how Penix are too strong vs mutas now don't realize the investment it will take to get there. Incontrol i've seen you use your double Stargate chronoboosted Penix build against mutas, to a little success. While you didn't play against the best players it's an alright counter to mutas, but not that great. Imagine tossing in a Fleetbeacon and Penix upgrade now. Good luck affording that, and I see you stay on 2 base pumping Penix with a pretty late 3rd. No way you're gonna afford FB and upgrade on top of 2 stargates. +1 for TT1 here. Penix? Really? t.t | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
I've seen him go Double-Stargate Penix, it's alright, not as great as usual Blink Stalker Templar. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
It takes seriousness to the show. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
dont argue. it has MC`s seal of approval | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:31 StarscreamG1 wrote: I REALLY Don't Like This Colored Background. It takes seriousness to the show. Because obviously this show is very serious and professional! | ||
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m0ck
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:27 Ghanburighan wrote: I thought it was a major part of the discussion here in TL that the alternative is better management on Vikings, splitting them, baby-sitting more, etc. Or to compensate more with multi-tasking based play (triple dropped mentioned this SOTG). There could be another, non-APM intensive way proposed, but I haven't heard it yet. Also, please don't quote and delete half a post... That's what square bracket "b" is for. Understood. So you mean its an indirect impact of the nerf: by making TvZ harder, Terrans will have to compensate for Ghosts becoming worse with other ways to win? As to the second part, I was so tempted to quote that on its own. I could understand not wanting people to quote only part of it if the context changed the meaning of that quote, but in this case it didn't - why not quote it without the rest of the post? | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:25 Gosi wrote: Yes. There shouldn't be thousands and thousands of games on a map to check balance, that is way to many games. The map pool should rotate more like in BW and if a map is just way to broken or is showing bad games then just scrap it. Isn't Destination the most played BW map in competitive games and it has only like 3000 games? Compare that to most map in the current map pool in any tournament. Just because it's not necessary, I don't see how it hurts to have more stats? Also across a wider range of audiences for anyone who cares about lower level balance on these maps, not that lower leagues should affect patches. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:31 StarscreamG1 wrote: I REALLY Don't Like This Colored Background. It takes seriousness to the show. This is our show. It's not something starcraft put on his frontpage like the official starcraft 2 talkshow. It's just JP and a bunch of player/caster talking about stuff. We don't need it to be professional imo. :d | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
MCs forgiven because he might not know any better (or knows he can get away with it). Besides, he's not MC. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:33 SeaSwift wrote: Understood. So you mean its an indirect impact of the nerf: by making TvZ harder, Terrans will have to compensate for Ghosts becoming worse with other ways to win? As to the second part, I was so tempted to quote that on its own. I could understand not wanting people to quote only part of it if the context changed the meaning of that quote, but in this case it didn't - why not quote it without the rest of the post? As to quoting without the rest, I think it's just a bad principle. Mistakes will happen, and misunderstandings are way too common around here, or most anywhere. And the bracket "b" will have the same effect without the risk. | ||
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