EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1862
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
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chaynesore
Australia175 Posts
On December 07 2011 23:38 Quotidian wrote: Didn't MVP try mech in the GSL ages ago and fail miserably with it? (I'm talking lategame mech, not some kind of pre-charge contain) It was on terminus and he got out-upgraded and out-maneuvered and his tanks just died. Mech does not work, even when the best terran in the world uses it. Artosis is way off the mark on this one, and it's really weird that he doesn't understand why. The list of reasons why mech doesn't work in tvp is pretty established at this point (Day9 mentioning the instant chargelot mass warpgate remax is just one of them), maybe Artosis should slum more on the strategy forums, even though that is probably beneath him. Or switch to terran for a few months and try it himself. He'll really quickly change his tune-- like pretty much instantly. And how can he claim that no one plays mech tvt and that it is so insanely hard. I play mech to with pretty good results on the ladder, and I'm platinum -- and a lot of the terrans I play against also play mech. It's pretty common right now, almost standard. And in virtually every tvt series in the GSL, you'll see at least one mech game. Mech is common, and it's not that difficult. Sure let's write it off because one player lost one far and away game doing the uncommon strategy. Guess what, MVP still drops games going bio -- and that's something he's well practised at. I still don't understand how people are not able to conceive that doing what has been established as a popular playstyle (bio) is easier and more reliable than trying new styles (mech). There is little incentive and very high risk for a pro to spend time on it - nobody's blaming them for it, it makes sense to stick with what you know. But this does not mean that it is completely useless. Yeah it'll be a difficult playstyle, and the theorycrafting has arguments for and against (mostly against at this time). But there's no point arguing about it at this stage because players aren't trying to make it work and people are just gonna keep throwing hardcounters and fictional scenarios around in a never-ending circlejerk. Artosis is not saying that Mech is definitely the future vs. P. Just that it MIGHT have more of a place than people realise at present. Why is it so hard for people to wrap their heads around that, and why do people get so defensive about their understanding of the game. Everything is constantly changing and everyone is constantly getting better and working new shit out -- just chill and enjoy the ride. Also, your entire whinge about TvT mech is irrelevant and out of place. I don't accept your opinion for reasons other than this, but I must also point out that you can't compare your Platinum level Mech TvT games to those in the GSL :\ | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:22 ceaRshaf wrote: If anyone told some months ago that infestors are the shit and people should start using them there would have been 1000 people saying that "There are 100 counters to infestors and pros don't do them so let's see you win a GSL using infestors until then STFU" I remember a lot of talk about the infestor's untapped potential right after the game came out. It came up because the Blizzard guys gave an interview where they mentioned being concerned about the unit being too powerful, at a time when nobody was using them. | ||
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
1) increase ultralisk movement speed to 3 2) make queens ground attack do 5 damage instead of 4 3) increase hydralisk range to 6 and remove grooved spines( searously this is the best way to make the hydralisk suck less til in HOTS where the hive tech speed upgrade will allow them to move faster off creep) BTW anyone know when the next State of the game is? since i missed the last few and I'm watching the VODs over again ^^ | ||
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MBH
Ireland796 Posts
Because its certainly not his 60 apm or his godlike macro, theres even memes about that. | ||
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:06 MBH wrote: Goes to show that Artosis is kind of a bad choice to evaluate the skills of non-korean players (which isnt accurate also many times) when he says Goodys decision-making is horrible (judging from the 3 games he sees og fim every other month) when his decision-making is actually, what keeps Goody in most matches although he always goes mech. Because its certainly not his 60 apm or his godlike macro, theres even memes about that. GoOdy needs to use sensor towers more | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
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Otherside
United Kingdom2 Posts
in a recent dreamhack interview he says mech is no longer viable versus protoss this coming from the mech king he pretty much said the main reason was the blue flame hellion nerf more than any protoss buff, it really hurt the hellions ability to take on and stop the zelots from reaching the tanks which is pretty much key not even including everything else protoss can do to counter mech. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:25 labbe wrote: Man I love when Artosis is wrong. Mech is bad vs Protoss. It's so bad that even Goody has stopped meching vs toss. Now, if that's not proof of it being bad, I don't know what is. Didn't he play mech vs mana in a 1h20min game or something like that recently? | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:28 Bagi wrote: Incontrol was 100% right. I really don't understand Artosis sometimes. It's a joke I swear. People like to listen to him, he's testing us to see how outrageous of a statement we will believe. Or he's actually insane and he needs Tasteless to take care of him and take the crazy down a notch everyday. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:34 pPingu wrote: Didn't he play mech vs mana in a 1h20min game or something like that recently? Mech is good at not dying, it's not exactly good at winning. | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:38 Asha` wrote: Mech is good at not dying, it's not exactly good at winning. Pure mech may be bad but jjakji is doing great vs toss by mixing helions/banshees/thors in his bio vs protoss | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
On December 08 2011 02:38 Asha` wrote: Mech is good at not dying, it's not exactly good at winning. ... This is the best description of Mech i've ever heard. AshA i will use this quote every time someone brings up mech. I now love you. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
(mech TvP is shitty btw, suck it Artosis  ) | ||
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