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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:47 Velr wrote: Go you white knights go, save day9. lol Hm? Nono, sorry if I come off as a "whiteknight" ^_^ (Didn't even know that term was applicable in this situation) but I don't think there is anything wrong with standing up for him really. I think I kissed his ass enough in my last two posts here for you to understand why. | ||
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Nash
151 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Those 2, TLO and Artosis are by far and away the best "guest" pillars so far. | ||
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Nash
151 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:41 marttorn wrote: I don't think there's any point getting into a big argument over this, but it's rather frustrating when someone who cannot ever hope to contribute nearly as much blatantly disrespects someone who has put in so many man-hours into providing free content for the masses and make people better at this game. So only if I have contributed as much or more for the "communtiy" do I get a say? Who judges that, by the way? Where do I present my case? Is it ok if I have contributed a lot to another community? For how long will my opinion hold when I have contributed as much as Day9 to the community? The point was that he has dedicated well over 400 hours (and that's just in the dailies) to helping people in this game. Who really cares if it's solo? Who else could be with him on this show? Suggestions? I don't know who cares, I know I don't. Do you? No I don't have any suggestions since I don't care. He was actually at blizzcon and tested these units himself (he also casted blizzcon, I'll get to that in a sec), he talked about the new units and weighed in on them, but he didn't want to predict anything about balance, which I think is entirely fair that he doesn't want to presume something about an expansion that's probably not even near release. Yes but the amount of playtesting he did seems to be very limited as his knowledge of the units seemed to be lower than someone that has only read about them on the forums. Also he didn't say shit about them. Can you tell me his opinion on the Battle Hellion, or the Warhound, or the Tempest? He has some time to be on SotG, so why not? I don't presume to speak for Day9, but he obviously wants to be on the show. Because he takes the spot for someone else that could be more fun. Also I presume he gets paid for it, and I was curious as to how they solve that when he constantly leaves halfway through. Just curious, that's all, since it's not my business. As for casting, he has also casted at (as far as I know) every single MLG so far. That means traveling out to wherever the MLG is, doing a TON of fan signings and greetings, and not least he has to talk and cast for hours upon hours at a time (he's mentioned this before, his voice is basically shot after every big event like that). Well, it is his job. I don't commend other sports casters that travel way more than Day9 does for their dedication or busy schedule or whatever. Am I supposed to think "Oh my god, that guy actually went all the way to Madrid to cast El Clasico, what a trooper!" when I'm watching football? I commend people for doing a good job, not for doing their job. As for who talks most in his duo casts, there's absolutely 0 point to arguing that because no matter what I say you'll just say no, and say what you think (this generally goes for every argument like this). Ok, i'm not going to bother with this "argument" any more, I just needed to get that out. Okay. You're free to suggest a cast to me where you suspect Day9 spoke less than his partner and I will time it out and present the data. | ||
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
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alhazrel
98 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote: Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else. From what I've seen, whenever he's with successful pro players he seems to be reluctant to push his opinion too hard. Perhaps because he's never actually played the game at the same level as them and feels his own opinion, based on theorycraft and play at a lower level than that top tier of grandmasters, is not as valid as someone like idra or huk's. I don't think Day9 realises how much respect a lot of the pros have for him, even if some of them definitely take the approach that he doesn't know what he's talking about because he isn't a pro player. I'd also like to see him with the courage to speak his mind a little more and defend his arguments. He says 'I think' a lot more in sotg than he does in his dailys. | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
also I am having a hard time taking you seriously not because you are bashing Day 9 but your demeanor is very trollish | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10970 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:31 ToguRo wrote: Nash if you seriously think Day 9 gets paid to be on SotG I have no idea what to say to you .... its not a job they do it for the community also I am having a hard time taking you seriously not because you are bashing Day 9 but your demeanor is very trollish Artosis (iirc) said on sotg himself that they get paid? Why else all the MLG involvement/adds.... | ||
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sopas
509 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:37 Velr wrote: Artosis (iirc) said on sotg himself that they get paid? Why else all the MLG involvement/adds.... dont burst his bubble. theyre doing this just for you, you special little guy! | ||
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Scereye
Austria154 Posts
Edit: Oh come on, the typo wasnt even there for 5 more Minutes So... just ignore this post now... >_> | ||
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btx0
Germany184 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:31 ToguRo wrote: Nash if you seriously think Day 9 gets paid to be on SotG I have no idea what to say to you .... its not a job they do it for the community also I am having a hard time taking you seriously not because you are bashing Day 9 but your demeanor is very trollish During the whole Incontrol/EG/SotG/ItG drama it was mentioned that there is a salary for being a pillar. (I think it was scoots on lo3 but don't quote me on this. ^.^) | ||
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:31 ToguRo wrote: Nash if you seriously think Day 9 gets paid to be on SotG I have no idea what to say to you .... its not a job they do it for the community also I am having a hard time taking you seriously not because you are bashing Day 9 but your demeanor is very trollish It may have started out as "for the community" but these guys are definitely getting paid now. Seriously... Where do you think the ad revenue goes? Straight into MLG's pocket without any of them getting a cut? Come on, dude. | ||
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Nash
151 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:31 ToguRo wrote: Nash if you seriously think Day 9 gets paid to be on SotG I have no idea what to say to you .... its not a job they do it for the community Reading the last few posts in this thread, do you have an idea what to say to me now? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Incontrol did a very good job for a first-time host, but man, his absence makes me see just how good JP is at what he does. It's actually amazing when you think about it. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On November 03 2011 23:20 Palmar wrote: You really don't know how good you have it until you lose it. Incontrol did a very good job for a first-time host, but man, his absence makes me see just how good JP is at what he does. It's actually amazing when you think about it. Seriously? I percieved incontrol to be an actual moderator that.. you know... moderates? Despite the not-so-great topics and the really lackluster user questions it became a fun little group, though he didn't let Destiny say much I had the feeling. The best thing that could happen to the show would be for incontrol to take over the moderator spot permanently, let JP become some sort of community pillar, replace Day[9] (sorry, he is great, but as mentioned before seems to be lacking interest) with a Terran (TLO!) and bring on Idra for the Zergs. Don't like Idra too much, but at least he sparks nice discussions and has a clear opinion. It seems like the old pillars of Day[9] and Nony are crumbling.. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
nah having a (mostly) non-opinionated host is really important, i think that JP makes a much better host/moderator than incontrol. it seemed weird with him doing it because he had to try and be funny and serious at the same time... regarding what the pillars get paid: didn't incontrol say they get paid like 100$ an episode or something like that? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
And Day9 has been rather enthusiastic the last few months. There was a period of time during which he was obviously way too tired to carry on doing it but he is much better now. I think that he might be better as a semi-permanent pillar though. Personally I'd like to see a core of JP, Incontrol, and Tyler that are there for every show - and then a bunch of others such as Day9, Artosis, Idra, and perhaps even Destiny rotate. It would also aloow for more guests on the show. At one point it felt as if there's a different guest every week but since Incontrol came back, it's been a bit too crowded and there's only replacements and not real guests anymore. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:20 Johnzee wrote: This post, on so many levels, 100% correct. If I'm going to be critical of the cast for just a moment, I'd say that Day[9] was very disappointing when it came to the HOTS discussion. Does he not have an opinion about this stuff because it's not developed enough to have an opinion, or because he knows the community will eat everything up he says? I disliked hearing him say "I have no idea" over and over again. Not on his game tonight, I think. IdrA on the HOTS units was of course a treat, but overall if you're going to shut out Tyler and Destiny with a discussion that everyone on the internet has already heard last week, it's probably better to just let the subject go (IdrA or no). Felt rushed, content was nowhere near the level of last week. iNcontroL was a great host and I think there was no better choice of host from the lot of them given JP was out, but he toed the line of it being the iNcontroL Show. If IdrA wasn't there it very well could have been. JP can be unimaginably dull sometimes, but he's sort of the calm eye of the storm of SotG, and I hope he gets well soon. What I wanted to say, but better. Day[9] should just speak his mind without all the hesitation. He never states something as the general truth, he always adds that it is his opinion that might get altered in the near future... I frowned when he said on the show: "I am a person who likes to trow things out there, and then later change my view". Everytime Day[9] answers a question: "It is too soon to tell so I don't know but I suspect that if .. happens then there might be .. which would be very cool. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
iNcontroL did a solid job with the hosting and thaaaaaank you mlgguys for uploading the vod this fast this time. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On November 04 2011 01:51 CEPEHDREI wrote: Makes me kinda sad that day9 thinks his screaming problem is just a 'meme*. You are screaming a looooooot. For me its a problem together with the 'i need to be superfunny every second' attitude. well you can like him the way he is or just don't like him. I for myself and I think most of his viewers like the way day9 is acting and I really don't think that his screaming is annoying | ||
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