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On November 04 2011 03:38 willyallthewei wrote:
Are you guys really hating on day9?
I've seen everything man.
hating ? seems too harsh of a word
On November 04 2011 02:35 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:29 Grumbels wrote:
To be honest, I can't stand his casting anymore even if I was a major fan of his dailies at the start of Starcraft II. I just stopped watching them and every time I catch one now I get annoyed at his super-quirky behavior. But that's fine I guess, tastes differ. He certainly has contributed a great deal to Starcraft II. It'd be fair to say he has helped the Western scene develop more than anyone else with maybe just a few exceptions. I suppose most of those accomplishments are in the past now and I'm not so sure about the future, but we'll see. Wow, that's exactly how I feel ^_^ Thx for putting it so well
but i do agree with this. atleast his casting doesnt have as much weirdLOUDnoises as his dailies, so its fine.
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Day9 eats, shits, and bleeds for this community. I catch the Daily maybe once a week, but that doesn't mean that I don' respect him A LOT. It's extremely confusing to me as to why so many people are suddenly directing hate towards him.
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On November 04 2011 05:06 darlhet wrote:
so much immotivated hate, god damn... are people seriously saying day9 needs to step back from being one of the comunity leaders? why? the only argument could be he used to be a bit to loud on his casts... please explain me
I have read all the posts and only 1 person actually came out and criticized Day9 and one other person agreed. The third and last person is a troll. How the fuck do you get "so much immotivated hate" from these three comments, one of which was completely meaningless?
Not even the one who criticized Day9 claimed he should step back, he merely stated why he doesn't enjoy the daily or Day9's casting as much as he used to. There's a big difference between constructive criticism and hating.
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Day[9] has done more for Starcraft2 than anyone else in the western world. He at least deserves respect.
I personally find his quirky attitude humorous, and not boring.
I can't stand boring casters....
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For the record, only one person in this entire thread has actually "hated" on Day9 and that person was just a clever troll. The other person who most of you seem to be responding to was merely critiquing him, not hating on him. Wake up people...
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On November 04 2011 03:44 Ballistixz wrote:On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else.
im not going to even bother commenting on your other posts or try to argue with u about this subject, but its obvious u have no idea or clue about anything day9 does. so on that note i suggest u stop commenting about something you know nothing about.
the underlined bolded sentence in particular lets me know how ignorant you are. day 9 has litterally dedicated his entire life FULL TIME to starcraft 2. he lives, sleeps, and eats this game just as he did with BW. to say he "isnt interested in the game" is the most ignorant thing you can say about day 9.
get a clue, and if you cant get a clue then just shut up and not spew utter BS and lies about a person.
i mean u can not like the man, but dont spread slanderous lies about him or act as if he isnt interested in the game. i cant beleive someone would even say he isnt..... day 9 is one of if not the most passionate person u can find about anything starcraft related.
Well, it's just that everytime a tournament other than one has actually casted comes up, he has never ever watched it and cannot comment on it. He didn't know about the units of HotS either. To me, that is not a person that seems very interested in the game. I mean, I watched his dailies back in the BW days and enjoyed them. Then the whole thing turned into some kind of clown show. It's more a show about himself now than a show about the game, like it used to be.
[B]On November 04 2011 04:59 itsMAHVELbaybee wrote: Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:56 MCDayC wrote:
I can't believe people are honestly hating on Day9....
He's one of the best casters, he makes amazing free content for us and he's hilarious, what is wrong with you people? Cause people are lazy and need him to do their analysis for them? Who knows.
Why do you feel the need to deride everyone that doesn't like the same things as you do?
Maybe people don't like to hear a guy shout and scream for an hour.
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PPl hate on Day9? That's like hating on a Football ref.
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On November 04 2011 05:13 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:06 darlhet wrote:
so much immotivated hate, god damn... are people seriously saying day9 needs to step back from being one of the comunity leaders? why? the only argument could be he used to be a bit to loud on his casts... please explain me I have read all the posts and only 1 person actually came out and criticized Day9 and one other person agreed. The third and last person is a troll. How the fuck do you get "so much immotivated hate" from these three comments, one of which was completely meaningless? Not even the one who criticized Day9 claimed he should step back, he merely stated why he doesn't enjoy the daily or Day9's casting as much as he used to. There's a big difference between constructive criticism and hating.
1 poster = 1000 ppl. It's been calculated.
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On November 04 2011 05:15 riverkim09 wrote:
PPl hate on Day9? That's like hating on a Football ref.
Extremely common and often correctly motivated? (If you're talking about real football that is).
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On November 04 2011 05:28 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:15 riverkim09 wrote:
PPl hate on Day9? That's like hating on a Football ref. Extremely common and often correctly motivated? (If you're talking about real football that is).
Even if you're not.
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On November 04 2011 05:14 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:44 Ballistixz wrote:On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else.
im not going to even bother commenting on your other posts or try to argue with u about this subject, but its obvious u have no idea or clue about anything day9 does. so on that note i suggest u stop commenting about something you know nothing about.
the underlined bolded sentence in particular lets me know how ignorant you are. day 9 has litterally dedicated his entire life FULL TIME to starcraft 2. he lives, sleeps, and eats this game just as he did with BW. to say he "isnt interested in the game" is the most ignorant thing you can say about day 9.
get a clue, and if you cant get a clue then just shut up and not spew utter BS and lies about a person.
i mean u can not like the man, but dont spread slanderous lies about him or act as if he isnt interested in the game. i cant beleive someone would even say he isnt..... day 9 is one of if not the most passionate person u can find about anything starcraft related. Well, it's just that everytime a tournament other than one has actually casted comes up, he has never ever watched it and cannot comment on it. He didn't know about the units of HotS either. To me, that is not a person that seems very interested in the game. I mean, I watched his dailies back in the BW days and enjoyed them. Then the whole thing turned into some kind of clown show. It's more a show about himself now than a show about the game, like it used to be.
So true, I loved how analytical he was in the BW dailies and how spot on he was on his judgements, hell even his old audio podcasts were marvelous and very insightful.
But now unfortunately, he has shifted his attention from the "higher up players" who wanted to know the little things that made the players get that extra .3% edge over their opponent to those who struggle with macroing and remembering when to make that supply structure/unit. Hell to be honest, whenever I want to watch a daily I just watch one of sean's old BW dailies where he actually seemed to know his stuff and apply that to sc2 (Which is a damn shame because only 10 BW dailies outta like, 70 were actually reuploaded to blip....).
I'm not sure if its lack of actually being good at the game like he was in BW, or if its just that hes trying to appeal to a wider crowd but he seems to lost his "spark" he had when he was doing BW dailies.
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On November 04 2011 05:32 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:28 Nash wrote:On November 04 2011 05:15 riverkim09 wrote:
PPl hate on Day9? That's like hating on a Football ref. Extremely common and often correctly motivated? (If you're talking about real football that is). Even if you're not.
No I am not extremely common, in fact there is only one of me.
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On November 04 2011 05:14 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:44 Ballistixz wrote:[b] On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else. im not going to even bother commenting on your other posts or try to argue with u about this subject, but its obvious u have no idea or clue about anything day9 does. so on that note i suggest u stop commenting about something you know nothing about. the underlined bolded sentence in particular lets me know how ignorant you are. day 9 has litterally dedicated his entire life FULL TIME to starcraft 2. he lives, sleeps, and eats this game just as he did with BW. to say he "isnt interested in the game" is the most ignorant thing you can say about day 9. get a clue, and if you cant get a clue then just shut up and not spew utter BS and lies about a person. i mean u can not like the man, but dont spread slanderous lies about him or act as if he isnt interested in the game. i cant beleive someone would even say he isnt..... day 9 is one of if not the most passionate person u can find about anything starcraft related. Well, it's just that everytime a tournament other than one has actually casted comes up, he has never ever watched it and cannot comment on it. He didn't know about the units of HotS either. To me, that is not a person that seems very interested in the game. I mean, I watched his dailies back in the BW days and enjoyed them. Then the whole thing turned into some kind of clown show. It's more a show about himself now than a show about the game, like it used to be.
I'm pretty sure Day9 watches other tournaments. I remember him streaming while watching IPL3. A lot of people don't watch stuff live. Some people don't even watch them a week after they're done. I remember a couple of weeks ago Artosis and Tyler didn't even watch Dreamhack Valencia a week after it was done.
And like I said before, what could he have said regarding new units? A lot of analysis regarding units was already done last week, all that's left to say is whether you like it or not. He liked arc shield cause he found it absolutely hilarious (and rightfully so, cause that thing's stupidly funny) and the Oracle for the idea behind it. It's not like he was with Destiny or Tyler the entirety of blizzcon and had free time whenever to play test a few times. He was busy casting the tournament/behind the scenes at the RTS area. Even Artosis wasn't clear about some of the more finite details of some of the new units and mechanics.
Out of the hundreds of hours he's done on Daily's (not including Funday Mondays or the one or two Q&As), about half an hour of all that footage was fooling around. And then daily#100 which was entirely about his starcraft career. Otherwise, he's usually insightful regarding pro play in his dailies.
And why shouldn't he put a little personality in his broadcasts? Which caster/player do you know who's extremely popular but remains completely serious about the casting/playing and whatnot. Idra's popular because of his personality (and skill), Huk is popular because of his personality (and skill), Destiny is popular because of his personality, InControl is popular because of his personality, Tyler is popular because of his personality, Husky completely eclipsed HD (who decided to take a more serious and personally distanced style of casting) because of his personality.
And finally, how can you say that someone who decides to forego looking for a job right after he gets his degree, in order to work on SC2 full time. SC2 is his job now, he depends on the game and the scene to pay his rent and for his food. You can't say he's not interested in the game if he makes that sort of decision.
Or you can. He's not interested; he's completely devoted.
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Hipsters, all of you. :p
I had kind of hoped the SotG hosts would have had some more inside information on the Brood War players possibly switching over to SC2. I thought it was a pity that Artosis wasn't there to talk about it, since he's probably most attuned to this. I hope they cover it again sometime.
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I also liked the BW dailies a lot, and stopped watching the SC2 ones. I still really like Day, but the change was inevitable; at one point he was one of the best foreign players of broodwar, and he just doesn't have the time or the desire to put in that kind of work again in SC2. The level of insight he has into the game just isn't the same.
Sure, he'll lose some of the old viewers by this focus shift away from high level play, but he's gained a lot of new fans in SC2 as a result. Good on him, I say. I'm glad he succeeded in sticking around as well as he has.
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On November 03 2011 22:00 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:41 marttorn wrote:On November 03 2011 21:29 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:17 marttorn wrote:On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
I'm a little curious how Day9 is allowed leave _every_ single time. Surely since SOTG became a property of MLG all the pillars must be paid for their time? If they don't I'm shocked at how they willingly agree to advertise for a company without getting paid for it. Anyway, I would imagine the deal is that they take the time it needs for the show and get compensated for that time, yet Day9 leaves an hour or two in every time. I don't know, it's just weird.
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else. He has problems doing duo casts because he wants the attention himself? Do you have any source or reason to believe that? My source is all his duo casts. Have you ever seen him take the backseat in a duo cast? Would you say he speaks 1) The most or 2) The least? He talked avidly and excitedly about the new HoTS units Lol what? He literally says "I don't know" and "I don't care" to almost all of them. He has no opinions and doesn't even seem to know what a Battle Hellion is. and in case you haven't noticed, he kind of dedicated his entire life to Starcraft and has an incredibly busy schedule. So don't be on the show then if you have such a busy schedule. We're lucky he even gets to show up to SotG at all. Sure, it sucks that he has to leave early but I don't see the reason to paint him as this semi-narcissistic douche who just wants attention, when his 370 odd 1-hour long shows all about how to get better at this game (and BW) say quite the opposite. Yeah his one-man show clearly contradicts any claims of narcissism. He's really done more for the scene than you can imagine, and it's kind of disrespectful to claim otherwise, or claim that he's in it for the fame or something. I don't want to come off as rude, but I think that's the reality of it  Don't really see how that is relevant. I don't think there's any point getting into a big argument over this, but it's rather frustrating when someone who cannot ever hope to contribute nearly as much blatantly disrespects someone who has put in so many man-hours into providing free content for the masses and make people better at this game. So only if I have contributed as much or more for the "communtiy" do I get a say? Who judges that, by the way? Where do I present my case? Is it ok if I have contributed a lot to another community? For how long will my opinion hold when I have contributed as much as Day9 to the community? Show nested quote +The point was that he has dedicated well over 400 hours (and that's just in the dailies) to helping people in this game. Who really cares if it's solo? Who else could be with him on this show? Suggestions? I don't know who cares, I know I don't. Do you? No I don't have any suggestions since I don't care. Show nested quote +He was actually at blizzcon and tested these units himself (he also casted blizzcon, I'll get to that in a sec), he talked about the new units and weighed in on them, but he didn't want to predict anything about balance, which I think is entirely fair that he doesn't want to presume something about an expansion that's probably not even near release. Yes but the amount of playtesting he did seems to be very limited as his knowledge of the units seemed to be lower than someone that has only read about them on the forums. Also he didn't say shit about them. Can you tell me his opinion on the Battle Hellion, or the Warhound, or the Tempest? Show nested quote +He has some time to be on SotG, so why not? I don't presume to speak for Day9, but he obviously wants to be on the show. Because he takes the spot for someone else that could be more fun. Also I presume he gets paid for it, and I was curious as to how they solve that when he constantly leaves halfway through. Just curious, that's all, since it's not my business. Show nested quote +As for casting, he has also casted at (as far as I know) every single MLG so far. That means traveling out to wherever the MLG is, doing a TON of fan signings and greetings, and not least he has to talk and cast for hours upon hours at a time (he's mentioned this before, his voice is basically shot after every big event like that). Well, it is his job. I don't commend other sports casters that travel way more than Day9 does for their dedication or busy schedule or whatever. Am I supposed to think "Oh my god, that guy actually went all the way to Madrid to cast El Clasico, what a trooper!" when I'm watching football? I commend people for doing a good job, not for doing their job. Show nested quote +As for who talks most in his duo casts, there's absolutely 0 point to arguing that because no matter what I say you'll just say no, and say what you think (this generally goes for every argument like this). Ok, i'm not going to bother with this "argument" any more, I just needed to get that out. Okay. You're free to suggest a cast to me where you suspect Day9 spoke less than his partner and I will time it out and present the data.
Day is the kind of guy who really thinks about what he says. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about the units because they are not done yet and can't be discussed because of that. You see? He thinks, that's something you do not.
Also, Day is one of the funniest guy there in the SC2 community. Just watch him playing amnesia, saying "thinderbox" every god damn second.
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On November 04 2011 08:39 JinnAxel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:14 Nash wrote:On November 04 2011 03:44 Ballistixz wrote:On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else.
im not going to even bother commenting on your other posts or try to argue with u about this subject, but its obvious u have no idea or clue about anything day9 does. so on that note i suggest u stop commenting about something you know nothing about.
the underlined bolded sentence in particular lets me know how ignorant you are. day 9 has litterally dedicated his entire life FULL TIME to starcraft 2. he lives, sleeps, and eats this game just as he did with BW. to say he "isnt interested in the game" is the most ignorant thing you can say about day 9.
get a clue, and if you cant get a clue then just shut up and not spew utter BS and lies about a person.
i mean u can not like the man, but dont spread slanderous lies about him or act as if he isnt interested in the game. i cant beleive someone would even say he isnt..... day 9 is one of if not the most passionate person u can find about anything starcraft related. Well, it's just that everytime a tournament other than one has actually casted comes up, he has never ever watched it and cannot comment on it. He didn't know about the units of HotS either. To me, that is not a person that seems very interested in the game. I mean, I watched his dailies back in the BW days and enjoyed them. Then the whole thing turned into some kind of clown show. It's more a show about himself now than a show about the game, like it used to be. I'm pretty sure Day9 watches other tournaments. I remember him streaming while watching IPL3. A lot of people don't watch stuff live. Some people don't even watch them a week after they're done. I remember a couple of weeks ago Artosis and Tyler didn't even watch Dreamhack Valencia a week after it was done.
Ok, in any event it's pretty hard to argue that Day9 doesn't care about the game since he does a daily about it every day so I might have to give up here. It just seemed a little strange to me that he never ever has watched any tournament they are supposed to talk about.
And like I said before, what could he have said regarding new units?
His opinion, like all the others did.
Out of the hundreds of hours he's done on Daily's (not including Funday Mondays or the one or two Q&As), about half an hour of all that footage was fooling around. And then daily#100 which was entirely about his starcraft career. Otherwise, he's usually insightful regarding pro play in his dailies.
What? No. He screams and shouts and tries to make jokes literally all the time.
And why shouldn't he put a little personality in his broadcasts?
I don't know. Who are you arguing against? I don't remember seeing anyone say that personality is bad. But I guess it's easier to argue against opinions you pretend I have instead of opinions I actually have.
[B]On November 04 2011 10:53 WhiteDog wrote: Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 22:00 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:41 marttorn wrote:On November 03 2011 21:29 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:17 marttorn wrote:On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote:
I'm a little curious how Day9 is allowed leave _every_ single time. Surely since SOTG became a property of MLG all the pillars must be paid for their time? If they don't I'm shocked at how they willingly agree to advertise for a company without getting paid for it. Anyway, I would imagine the deal is that they take the time it needs for the show and get compensated for that time, yet Day9 leaves an hour or two in every time. I don't know, it's just weird.
Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else. He has problems doing duo casts because he wants the attention himself? Do you have any source or reason to believe that? My source is all his duo casts. Have you ever seen him take the backseat in a duo cast? Would you say he speaks 1) The most or 2) The least? He talked avidly and excitedly about the new HoTS units Lol what? He literally says "I don't know" and "I don't care" to almost all of them. He has no opinions and doesn't even seem to know what a Battle Hellion is. and in case you haven't noticed, he kind of dedicated his entire life to Starcraft and has an incredibly busy schedule. So don't be on the show then if you have such a busy schedule. We're lucky he even gets to show up to SotG at all. Sure, it sucks that he has to leave early but I don't see the reason to paint him as this semi-narcissistic douche who just wants attention, when his 370 odd 1-hour long shows all about how to get better at this game (and BW) say quite the opposite. Yeah his one-man show clearly contradicts any claims of narcissism. He's really done more for the scene than you can imagine, and it's kind of disrespectful to claim otherwise, or claim that he's in it for the fame or something. I don't want to come off as rude, but I think that's the reality of it Don't really see how that is relevant. I don't think there's any point getting into a big argument over this, but it's rather frustrating when someone who cannot ever hope to contribute nearly as much blatantly disrespects someone who has put in so many man-hours into providing free content for the masses and make people better at this game. So only if I have contributed as much or more for the "communtiy" do I get a say? Who judges that, by the way? Where do I present my case? Is it ok if I have contributed a lot to another community? For how long will my opinion hold when I have contributed as much as Day9 to the community? The point was that he has dedicated well over 400 hours (and that's just in the dailies) to helping people in this game. Who really cares if it's solo? Who else could be with him on this show? Suggestions? I don't know who cares, I know I don't. Do you? No I don't have any suggestions since I don't care. He was actually at blizzcon and tested these units himself (he also casted blizzcon, I'll get to that in a sec), he talked about the new units and weighed in on them, but he didn't want to predict anything about balance, which I think is entirely fair that he doesn't want to presume something about an expansion that's probably not even near release. Yes but the amount of playtesting he did seems to be very limited as his knowledge of the units seemed to be lower than someone that has only read about them on the forums. Also he didn't say shit about them. Can you tell me his opinion on the Battle Hellion, or the Warhound, or the Tempest? He has some time to be on SotG, so why not? I don't presume to speak for Day9, but he obviously wants to be on the show. Because he takes the spot for someone else that could be more fun. Also I presume he gets paid for it, and I was curious as to how they solve that when he constantly leaves halfway through. Just curious, that's all, since it's not my business. As for casting, he has also casted at (as far as I know) every single MLG so far. That means traveling out to wherever the MLG is, doing a TON of fan signings and greetings, and not least he has to talk and cast for hours upon hours at a time (he's mentioned this before, his voice is basically shot after every big event like that). Well, it is his job. I don't commend other sports casters that travel way more than Day9 does for their dedication or busy schedule or whatever. Am I supposed to think "Oh my god, that guy actually went all the way to Madrid to cast El Clasico, what a trooper!" when I'm watching football? I commend people for doing a good job, not for doing their job. As for who talks most in his duo casts, there's absolutely 0 point to arguing that because no matter what I say you'll just say no, and say what you think (this generally goes for every argument like this). Ok, i'm not going to bother with this "argument" any more, I just needed to get that out. Okay. You're free to suggest a cast to me where you suspect Day9 spoke less than his partner and I will time it out and present the data. Day is the kind of guy who really thinks about what he says. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about the units because they are not done yet and can't be discussed because of that. You see? He thinks, that's something you do not. Also, Day is one of the funniest guy there in the SC2 community. Just watch him playing amnesia, saying "thinderbox" every god damn second.
Ok. I didn't know insults like these were allowed on these forums.
Yes, I know he can repeat words in a very loud voice all the time. Very funny. It certainly goes hand in hand with your "thinks before he speaks" comment.
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All you guys need to chill 
As for the episode, I am extremely disappointed that idra was so positive and reasonable when talking about the HotS units
Great episode anyway. Idra and Destiny are always good additions.
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So people can't have an opinion about criticizing Day9 without other people saving day9?
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Say what you want about Day9 he's still the best overall persona for Starcraft II we have, do I get tired of his persona at times and not watch his dailys like I slaveshly did before? Yes. Does that mean I do not appreciate him as much? Nope. He's still a great person and just because you grow away from him does not mean you need to dislike him.
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