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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
two sides. same coin. both suck. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:15 riverkim09 wrote: PPl hate on Day9? That's like hating on a Football ref. This makes no sense whatsoever? | ||
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CookieMaker
Canada880 Posts
Criticism is something that even DayJ encourages. To anyone who has stood up in this thread and criticized him, Good for you! That takes GUTS! All too often criticism gets overwhelmingly shut down and the actual point is missed. No man is perfect, and the greatest commentators themselves respond to criticism and build on it. DayJ is, IMO, one of the greatest casters i've ever heard and I love watching him do everything!!! But for some people, his style isn't perfect. They have every right to voice their opinion, draw attention to their criticisms, attempt to persuade others, and lastly, stop watching if they dislike the content. Don't shoot down criticism... argue it and build on it. Without criticism, situations can snowball out of control. Just make sure the criticism (and your argument against it!) is constructive and to the point, otherwise it's just another emotional response on the internet. | ||
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Leru
Romania257 Posts
On November 04 2011 15:57 CookieMaker wrote: Criticism is the judgement of the merits and faults of the work or actions of an individual or group by another (the critic). To criticize does not necessarily imply to find fault. - Wiki Criticism is something that even DayJ encourages. To anyone who has stood up in this thread and criticized him, Good for you! That takes GUTS! All too often criticism gets overwhelmingly shut down and the actual point is missed. No man is perfect, and the greatest commentators themselves respond to criticism and build on it. DayJ is, IMO, one of the greatest casters i've ever heard and I love watching him do everything!!! But for some people, his style isn't perfect. They have every right to voice their opinion, draw attention to their criticisms, attempt to persuade others, and lastly, stop watching if they dislike the content. Don't shoot down criticism... argue it and build on it. Without criticism, situations can snowball out of control. Just make sure the criticism (and your argument against it!) is constructive and to the point, otherwise it's just another emotional response on the internet. Quite true .. But it's easier to go "omg, people hating day9" then actually thinking about what they said and realise that many things are true, such as going from whispering to shouting or trying to be too funny all the time or pausing the show every 5 minutes to tell us some little story from his life , which can be cool on occasions but gets annoying when I'm trying to watch a simple Funday Monday ( the only thing I dared watch recently ) and he steals all the fun from the game situations by just deviating and telling a random story. This is not hate, this is just observation . | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On November 04 2011 17:21 AndAgain wrote: I think that many masters players don't watch the D9D anymore because they've (wisely) realized that taking advice from a non high level player isn't productive. Anyone below pro level who thinks of himself as a high level player and that taking advice from Day9 is beneath him is deluding himself about his skill level and understanding of the game. This includes most Masters players and from what I can see from the streams more than a few GM even (especially on NA). | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On November 04 2011 17:34 Talin wrote: Anyone below pro level who thinks of himself as a high level player and that taking advice from Day9 is beneath him is deluding himself about his skill level and understanding of the game. This includes most Masters players and from what I can see from the streams more than a few GM even (especially on NA). You might get tidbits of good information, but it's better to spend your time watching pro streams or replays anyway. Also, I've actually followed some bad advice from him which kept me at diamond for longer than I would have been otherwise. | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
On November 04 2011 15:57 CookieMaker wrote: Criticism is the judgement of the merits and faults of the work or actions of an individual or group by another (the critic). To criticize does not necessarily imply to find fault. - Wiki Criticism is something that even DayJ encourages. To anyone who has stood up in this thread and criticized him, Good for you! That takes GUTS! All too often criticism gets overwhelmingly shut down and the actual point is missed. No man is perfect, and the greatest commentators themselves respond to criticism and build on it. DayJ is, IMO, one of the greatest casters i've ever heard and I love watching him do everything!!! But for some people, his style isn't perfect. They have every right to voice their opinion, draw attention to their criticisms, attempt to persuade others, and lastly, stop watching if they dislike the content. Don't shoot down criticism... argue it and build on it. Without criticism, situations can snowball out of control. Just make sure the criticism (and your argument against it!) is constructive and to the point, otherwise it's just another emotional response on the internet. You may be new here, but posts that are coherent, well thought-out and correct do not belong here. Joking aside, this is very true. The other side of the coin however is when people will criticise a caster/player what have you about something that isn't necessarily a fault, but a stylistic thing. When this kind of criticism is delivered harshly, it does not benefit anyone to hear and should not be taken to heart. Pointless or derogatory criticism hurts more than it helps. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On November 04 2011 17:21 AndAgain wrote: I think that many masters players don't watch the D9D anymore because they've (wisely) realized that taking advice from a non high level player isn't productive. So Day9 is now more attune with the casual community than the hardcore people. I believe that day9 is probably high masters. He has mechanics from his bw career (and he was pretty damn good back then, best in US at some time), and he watches enough of games to know build orders and everything. I just don't see him not being high masters because it's so easy to get into masters with much worse mechanics and game sense than what he has. So yea, there aren't really many people that should be like: "it's not productive for me to listen to this noob". But I agree that players at master level stop watching him, but that's because he focuses on lower level things like chrono boosting, queen energy etc. He doesn't give more subtle and specific advices about exact strategies. Which doesn't mean that he doesn't know those things. It's just that only 2% of players are in master league, so it's completely normal that he targets the 98% audience. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On November 04 2011 20:43 bLah. wrote: I believe that day9 is probably high masters. He has mechanics from his bw career (and he was pretty damn good back then, best in US at some time), and he watches enough of games to know build orders and everything. I just don't see him not being high masters because it's so easy to get into masters with much worse mechanics and game sense than what he has. So yea, there aren't really many people that should be like: "it's not productive for me to listen to this noob". But I agree that players at master level stop watching him, but that's because he focuses on lower level things like chrono boosting, queen energy etc. He doesn't give more subtle and specific advices about exact strategies. Which doesn't mean that he doesn't know those things. It's just that only 2% of players are in master league, so it's completely normal that he targets the 98% audience. Well artosis has played more sc2 than him and was just high master him self. Most likely he is mid masters. But anyway... If he once a week made a daily only designed too help master league players getting into grandmasters, gold league players, silver players, bronze players, inactive players would watch it as well. Why??? Because they want to know how high level players think, and they (perpahs mistakenly) think that they can use some of the information on their own gameplay as well. The fact that he doesn't have a daily once a while that actually can help master league players time efficiently kinda makes me think that he doesn't have the knowledge. Having played BW for ages and watched a lot of sc2 games doesn't nesscarily make you understand sc2 at a high level. I believe you have to play the game at a high (or semi high level) to be able to make usefull dailies for master league players. | ||
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
On November 04 2011 17:39 AndAgain wrote: You might get tidbits of good information, but it's better to spend your time watching pro streams or replays anyway. Also, I've actually followed some bad advice from him which kept me at diamond for longer than I would have been otherwise. What was this advice that kept you in diamond for so long? | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
 And btw Geoff did an awesome job as the host. Absolutely perfect. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:10 Nash wrote: I'm a little curious how Day9 is allowed leave _every_ single time. Surely since SOTG became a property of MLG all the pillars must be paid for their time? If they don't I'm shocked at how they willingly agree to advertise for a company without getting paid for it. Anyway, I would imagine the deal is that they take the time it needs for the show and get compensated for that time, yet Day9 leaves an hour or two in every time. I don't know, it's just weird. Not only that but he seems kinda jaded and not interested in anything that doesn't have to do with him. I mean, for a person that even has problems doing duo casts because he wants all the attention for himself, being one of four or five isn't really ideal. I know I'd be happy if he was replaced with someone who is actually interested in the game and has enough guts to speak his mind about things and doesn't see himself as a little bit better than everyone else. All the compensation issues aside, I just think it's a bit weird that he just leaves early every single show. I mean, when you're in the most popular SC2 show in the world with tens of thousands of viewers I'd imagine you would be able to make room in your schedule for that ~2h a week and stay for the whole duration. Just seems a bid odd. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On November 04 2011 15:44 xtfftc wrote: No, it means "people who have higher standards than I have" ^^ This makes no sense whatsoever? That's the point.... | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On November 04 2011 20:57 svefnleysi wrote: What was this advice that kept you in diamond for so long? It was a long time ago. He stressed that you should keep your production facilities making units all the time, completely missing the concept of powering and teching timings. I think he has corrected his view since then. Also, he was expressing a bias against getting high tech units and said that mass low tier is better. Protoss doesn't work (well) that way most of the time. | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On November 05 2011 08:51 AndAgain wrote: It was a long time ago. He stressed that you should keep your production facilities making units all the time, completely missing the concept of powering and teching timings. I think he has corrected his view since then. Also, he was expressing a bias against getting high tech units and said that mass low tier is better. Protoss doesn't work (well) that way most of the time. Even though I agree with your points, it definitely wasn't this advice alone that kept you in diamond. To be honest, I never really bothered with the concept of powering until mid-masters because I was stubborn and thought it was being risky (lol wat). As for the high tech units advice, it isn't wrong, but you can't follow it blindly. Gateway heavy unit compositions are great, but you either to be able to do inflict some form of damage with it (either in the form of a timing or harass with warp prisms or whatever) while you tech up or mass expand, and teching up could simply be adding 2 forges. | ||
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TideRoll
United States106 Posts
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LeakyBucket
Canada76 Posts
So why don't "good players" watch his game play? I don't know they could just be suborn or something | ||
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