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But we seriously need another EU vs US matchup tournament, we had one months ago and Euros won in a landslide, someone get that tournament up!
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Tyree
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Host: Rotterdam TLO WhiteRa Cloud But we seriously need another EU vs US matchup tournament, we had one months ago and Euros won in a landslide, someone get that tournament up! | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
I think they need a big format change, because it's really gotten stale. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
On September 22 2011 22:28 The KY wrote: You know the more I think about it the more Geoff's comments on the GSL format - the relentless, endless, constant seasons of GSL that never end and destroy any investment you have in the results - make total sense. Last season I barely gave it a thought. I watched some of the games...but I didn't give a fuck. 'Oh MVP won? Awesome. Game one was pretty cool.' I think they need a big format change, because it's really gotten stale. I absolutely agree. It's hard to develop an emotional attachment to the results when the whole thing cycles so quickly. On the other hand, there are nerds out there willing to pay for the constant SC2 they're producing, so whatever solution they come up would need to generate a similar amount of content or they'd be basically throwing away money. In my mind, the goal should be to make the tournament take four months or so to raise the stakes of winning any given season, without doing something like an NASL-style round robin that makes each individual match feel less important to both players and audience. What occurs to me (I have no idea if this is a good idea or not) would be to combine Code S and Code A, and give the qualification tournament (Code B) more coverage -- the level of talent that is not in Code A or S in Korea is still extremely high and offering better coverage of the games would give the community a chance to see more games from lesser known players that we otherwise only really see in GSTL. I'm not sure what format for the larger Code S player pool would provide the best dramatic situation and make better games more likely, but I'm sure a clever structure could provide a slow-paced, hard fight to the top over the course of two or three months. Of course, with the number of TvTs we're looking at for the next few seasons, GSLs might start taking three or four months without any format changes at all... | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On September 22 2011 12:05 ZeromuS wrote: I would love it if you guys could discuss the current state of protoss. I remember when day 9 and idra had a long conversation about ZvP and Zerg in general when it was doing poorly. Now protoss is doing worse than any other race ever in the history of SC2 in the GSL and in other tournaments it seems like. So having a small discussion about the future of protoss or what the core problem surrounding protoss feels like would be cool to hear. I know people complain the show is about "the state of protoss" instead of game at times but right now I feel it would be an extremely topical and interesting discussion to take place. Thanks for reading my suggestion :D I want some lights and glimmers of hope to come out of a discussion hopefully as well. Uh....It's been like a month! It took Zerg like half a year to figure out what to do in ZvP! 1-1-1 has been here what, 3 weeks? (I can't speak to PvT very well). Zerg just got a massive ZvP nerf to the point where I want to switch races. edit: This isn't a balance whine, its more of a counter-whine | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Calt
Germany1140 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10854 Posts
But there is a big problems with alternatives: If you make a very regular teamleague analogue to SC/BW all other tourneys lose out because the best players will be committed to this league. In GSL, at least if someone drops out early, he can still attend other events or when hes tough try to pull a Huk (which judging by Huks result in that phase is nothing you should do regularly). That’s basically gone with a "league", except a team is willing to send his players out anyway and by that risking worse results in the most prestigious league there is. If you pull NASL style you got pretty similar problems just for less players. It's not that easy with SC2... SC/BW is totally Korean focused so "other" tournaments/leauges are a non-issue. | ||
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
But i think that mlg/ipl/nasl need to organize eu vs na tournament like gsl world championship, that would be pretty epic imo. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:00 Grumbels wrote: IPL has things like that, a combination of various lengthy qualifications, offline qualifiers, live tournaments all with seasons that are months apart. It doesn't work too well, since nobody understands the system and when they are airing what, but it could work well for GSL in theory maybe. I think GSL would be able to do it. I rarely watch IPL, not because the quality or casters but because it is a bit confusing and repetitive. Part of this comes from all of it being played pre-air I guess. I actually find myself watching more GSL, in part because of foreigner participation. The Code S format isn't very pleasing to me. Although having 1 person go to up and downs is good and works well, having bo1's just isn't very entertaining. I could never come up with a suitable format but hopefully when more money comes to the Korean scene they can figure something out to spice it up. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On September 22 2011 06:52 Talin wrote: Your criteria for best Protoss in the world seem to be either very relaxed or very misguided. Lol agreed. In what universe in HongUn considered the best protoss??? | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
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TerrorBird
Canada58 Posts
I wish there was more discussed, I would love to hear more opinions on differences in mechanics, units, strategies, tournament format and anything else different between the two games. | ||
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BOXseven
United States1 Post
in conclusion -doesnt matter how beefy thor is, the drop is still vulnerable -costs a lot -marines are better | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 22 2011 22:28 The KY wrote: You know the more I think about it the more Geoff's comments on the GSL format - the relentless, endless, constant seasons of GSL that never end and destroy any investment you have in the results - make total sense. Last season I barely gave it a thought. I watched some of the games...but I didn't give a fuck. 'Oh MVP won? Awesome. Game one was pretty cool.' I think they need a big format change, because it's really gotten stale. Nah, I disagree completely. GSL is still the best tourney to watch in the world and has been the only SC 2 tourney I've paid money for because I feel it's the only one worth my money. The rest I can just watch their free streams and don't need things like MLG gold, etc. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:00 Grumbels wrote: IPL has things like that, a combination of various lengthy qualifications, offline qualifiers, live tournaments all with seasons that are months apart. It doesn't work too well, since nobody understands the system and when they are airing what, but it could work well for GSL in theory maybe. It feels like IGN is airing random games all over the place. You never know whats up next, you don't know what qualifiers there are, which ones are currently live and wheter its the fiftieth rebroadcast. The games are not live and nobody knows when they were actually played. I also couldnt find a decent bracket for all the qualifiers... So many things that hurt the excitement and have really made me lose interest in IGN. I'm probably gonna watch the main event but that's about it. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On September 22 2011 22:55 Zorkmid wrote: Uh....It's been like a month! It took Zerg like half a year to figure out what to do in ZvP! 1-1-1 has been here what, 3 weeks? (I can't speak to PvT very well). Zerg just got a massive ZvP nerf to the point where I want to switch races. edit: This isn't a balance whine, its more of a counter-whine This is actually a fair point and worth remembering. I'm a bit curious though, what exactly were in the patch notes that is so awful for zerg? The neural change? Was it really that big of a deal, or was it something else that I overlooked? | ||
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Oasx
Denmark72 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:14 Oasx wrote: Didnt see it mentioned, does anyone know what the music is that SOTG has started playing when they take a break? Its the generic MLG filler music. | ||
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