EPTThey'll probably just talk about it and then move on from it if the last few shows since season 2 started is of any indication.
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They'll probably just talk about it and then move on from it if the last few shows since season 2 started is of any indication. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On July 21 2011 23:02 RogerChillingworth wrote: I think some EG 'business side' bashing is in order for the next episode. I know Tyler is itching to unleash hot fury. I just want to listen to it go down. JP needs to send detective Artosis down to the TSL house and find out the inside scoop as to whats going on there and how they all feel about EG/puma. | ||
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VirtuallyJesse
United States398 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On July 21 2011 21:57 Thrombozyt wrote: True. Tyler is the most serious pro-gamer as all other participants don't play as their main occupation. Thus in game related items Tyler seems to dominate and with him the very protoss-centric view on the game. Artosis is a great addition and Leah isn't bad, but Artosis has the same role as Sean and Leah the same background as JP. So where we had 2 players and 2 non-players before, we now have 1 player and 4 non-players and that shows. Get 1 Zerg and 1 Terran pro in (e.g. Destiny and QXC). You need more players in my eyes. Artosis is still a player. And as a former zerg he tends to be rather unbiased. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
Listen, I have nothing against Leah or whatever she does for the community, but she clearly knows almost nothing about the game and it's really hard to listen to, especially when she tries to formulate an opinion about balance. Everyone else on the show, or who has been on the show (for the most part), knows about the game because they are either pros or commentators. Leah is like... a media pundit or something, she brings nothing to the show but a mainstream perspective. That isn't necessary bad, but it's a niche roll... if you get what I mean. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:44 MCDayC wrote: I have an idea. As long as EG would be okay with it, they should get DeMuslim on the show. He has said that he would be interested in doing it. He is in America so he would be fine timewise. He actually knows something about the european scene, including WC3. Honestly, I actually like the new people, but a problem that has annoyed me forever has been how little they know about European players. DeMuslim would change this. I think he would be an awesome addition. Yeah, having an european as a regular would be cool, specialy since Demuslim is in America soon ( or already ? i don't know ) But since he's from EG, i don't realy know the implications. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:10 -Trippin- wrote: I watched the episode this week for about half an hour before I was forced to close the tab because it was just too hard to listen to. When I heard Leah suggest that Archons should be armored units instead of massive, it was like someone put a stake through my brain. Listen, I have nothing against Leah or whatever she does for the community, but she clearly knows almost nothing about the game and it's really hard to listen to, especially when she tries to formulate an opinion about balance. Everyone else on the show, or who has been on the show (for the most part), knows about the game because they are either pros or commentators. Leah is like... a media pundit or something, she brings nothing to the show but a mainstream perspective. That isn't necessary bad, but it's a niche roll... if you get what I mean. The saddest thing wasn't that Leah suggested the archons to be armored (although this is pretty sad), no it was that no one even talked about it. I hoped that Tyler or Artosis would bash this idea to the ground. But there was just nothing. Not even a mimic from anyone. | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 Hardigan wrote: The saddest thing wasn't that Leah suggested the archons to be armored (although this is pretty sad), no it was that no one even talked about it. I hoped that Tyler or Artosis would bash this idea to the ground. But there was just nothing. Not even a mimic from anyone. That change would be as bad as increasing warp prism speed/hp. | ||
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RedZack
Germany58 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:23 Nuttyguy wrote: is it me or the vod cuts off at 1:59 when the show is like 3 hours long? Same here. And I have no idea to watch the rest.  | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:32 Thrombozyt wrote: That change would be as bad as increasing warp prism speed/hp. Yeah, I don't really see the huge issue in that regard, I've seen quite a few players utilize warp prisms well enough. They have like 10 less technical health than Medivacs(100 health, 40 shield) and 1 less base armor. They're also just as fast in terms of base speed and have an additional speed upgrade on top of that. Different races, different units, all that stuff, but I don't really see how the warp prism is a piece of shit in comparison to the other races options, maybe I'm missing something. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:13 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I don't really see the huge issue in that regard, I've seen quite a few players utilize warp prisms well enough. They have like 10 less technical health than Medivacs(100 health, 40 shield) and 1 less base armor. They're also just as fast in terms of base speed and have an additional speed upgrade on top of that. Different races, different units, all that stuff, but I don't really see how the warp prism is a piece of shit in comparison to the other races options, maybe I'm missing something. Yea I don't think the warp prizm's problem is the unit itself. I just think Protoss don't really have a unit that that really use the warp prizm's potential. There's just no real unit suited for the kind if harass that reaver shuttle did. | ||
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Oceaniax
146 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:13 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I don't really see the huge issue in that regard, I've seen quite a few players utilize warp prisms well enough. They have like 10 less technical health than Medivacs(100 health, 40 shield) and 1 less base armor. They're also just as fast in terms of base speed and have an additional speed upgrade on top of that. Different races, different units, all that stuff, but I don't really see how the warp prism is a piece of shit in comparison to the other races options, maybe I'm missing something. I wouldn't call it a "piece of shit", but it's nowhere near as good as a medivac. One of the largest advantages of the medivac is that it's a useful backbone of your army. Since you're building them anyway, it's only natural to attempt to drop with them (and it also just so happens that terran has great droppable units). If they don't do alot of damage, it's fine, they consolidate right back into your army. With the warp prism, you're making a unit dedicated to performing a drop. If the drop doesn't work out, you're out those resources in alot of ways, as they don't synergize with your main army. It's for this reason some people believe that the warp prism should be buffed in some capacity, to make the drop harassment more likely to be successful if your control & planning is good, to allow people to justify that initial investment. (although honestly I don't think the problem is with the warp prism all that much, but moreso the units you would drop from them). | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:28 Oceaniax wrote: I wouldn't call it a "piece of shit", but it's nowhere near as good as a medivac. One of the largest advantages of the medivac is that it's a useful backbone of your army. Since you're building them anyway, it's only natural to attempt to drop with them (and it also just so happens that terran has great droppable units). If they don't do alot of damage, it's fine, they consolidate right back into your army. With the warp prism, you're making a unit dedicated to performing a drop. If the drop doesn't work out, you're out those resources in alot of ways, as they don't synergize with your main army. It's for this reason some people believe that the warp prism should be buffed in some capacity, to make the drop harassment more likely to be successful if your control & planning is good, to allow people to justify that initial investment. (although honestly I don't think the problem is with the warp prism all that much, but moreso the units you would drop from them). I can see that, good note. I think that there isn't really an issue, it's a dedicated harass unit that can effectively turn into a point of reinforcement. I've seen a couple of players work wonders with HT(Storm), zealot and DT drops, but yeah, dropping standard units is less effective in general as the Protoss army benefits quite a bit from being in a ball. I think it's pretty fine overall, sure it may not be used as often as the medivac, but it can be a massive game changer in the right situation, with a single round of warp-ins if an army is out of position since it serves as a point of reinforcement. | ||
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Loki57
United States292 Posts
I feel as though I just rambled, so let me know if this doesn't make any sense -_- TLDR: Make warp prisms 40HP 100 Shields instead of vice versa | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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IVN
534 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:13 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I don't really see the huge issue in that regard, I've seen quite a few players utilize warp prisms well enough. They have like 10 less technical health than Medivacs(100 health, 40 shield) and 1 less base armor. They're also just as fast in terms of base speed and have an additional speed upgrade on top of that. Different races, different units, all that stuff, but I don't really see how the warp prism is a piece of shit in comparison to the other races options, maybe I'm missing something. Imagine a Medivac without the healing. Now you know why a WP is so bad. Besides the warpin this unit has no powerful features, and its even worse than a Medivac at transporting units. Less HP, less Armor, thats only the "icing on the cake". The real reason is the absence of the synergy with the gateway army. MM stimed and healed by a Medivac can do a lot of damage, there is simply no way any protoss unit can do that kind of damage. If the WP was doubling as a shield battery, I would make one every game, and drop like a madman. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 Noocta wrote: Yeah, having an european as a regular would be cool, specialy since Demuslim is in America soon ( or already ? i don't know ) But since he's from EG, i don't realy know the implications. He's already in America. Do it JP! | ||
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