Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1396

On July 21 2011 02:22 flodeskum wrote:

It certainly would. But the thing is mass blink stalkers are only good in pvz and even there they still need large numbers to become really scary. So why look at the unit and not the matchup?

But then there's the thing of why hydras don't _really_ deal with stalkers. They do beat them hands down in a straight fight and with lings it really isn't close. But because hydras lack a speed upgrade they can't really get that fight and being so slow they don't really work offensively either. Could the hydra not be the real problem here?

Then there's also the need to consider how 8 damage stalkers would affect a protoss' ability to deal with early marine-based pushes. Or their ability to deny scouting workers, not to mention their already shitty harass capabilities. A change to a core unit like the stalker has a large effect on all protoss matchups.

Also keep in mind that just because a build seems really strong now, that doesn't mean that balance changes are needed. How many top level pvz's have you seen recently featuring the colossus/voidray build?

On July 21 2011 03:14 SinCitta wrote:
For the German SC2 scene, there is this "Szenecast" which inception was probably inspired by State of the Game. It's a cast organized by players of the German scene (like HasuObs, Socke, Darkforce) themselves. Lately, I have been enjoying it more than SotG (which is still very appreciated) and I think SotG could learn a bit from its little German offspring.

I think a lot of its charm stems from the fact that the players just talk to each other and especially that they talk about their own games and tournament experiences. They make a cognitive walk through their games, explain why they did this and that, what they thought and what they should have done better. Sometimes, the opponent is also in the cast and gives his perspective of the game. In my opionion, this is how discussions about games should be like instead of, what many may think, superficial balance discussions that lead to nowhere. There is no cap of how many players are in the cast and players just talk about topics they have anything to say about, rather than having some kind of forced round robin with "I didn't see the games".

They still talk about GSL and the finals of NASL/MLG/IEM, but as players that notice the little details they sound more enthusiastic talking about the games and Korean play overall than their equivalents in SotG. At the same time, the players appear to be more frank about issues that occur to them like when they can hear the casters in events, when the schedules are messed up and when prize money is not paid out. In SotG, it seems that the participants are too involved to give an honest opionion about such issues.

So my suggestion is to invite players that have actually played in tournaments and leagues that made a deep run (and speak English) and let them talk about their games. I feel that in the moment, guests are selected just by "who is there and who is popular". This would also make things like the NASL regular season (though I don't know how many English speaking players are left that want to be in SotG) and post-coverage of events more interesting . Of course I still like to have pillars of the scene that provide insights from behind the scene but having that every week becomes boring after a while.

On July 21 2011 03:14 SinCitta wrote:
I think a lot of its charm stems from the fact that the players just talk to each other and especially that they talk about their own games and tournament experiences. They make a cognitive walk through their games, explain why they did this and that, what they thought and what they should have done better.

On July 21 2011 03:53 setzer wrote:
The last episode was, in my opinion, one of the very worst I have listened to. The lack of humor from people like incontrol/day9, no actual guest like Naniwa and redundant "roles" by JP and Leah just made this episode very, very boring. I don't feel like Leah is qualified to be on the show as a permanent pillar. SotG doesn't need another person to ask questions, we have JP for that. What SotG does need are knowledgeable people that give game insight not many others have. Leah doesn't bring this. I couldn't finish the episode out of boredom.

As someone else said before, this show has become the "state of e-sports" and no longer the "state of the game." For a few weeks now the focus has almost solely been on recent events and large tournaments. I think it is fine to talk about GSL and other every week but it doesn't need to be the focus of every show. I'd rather listen to Tyler talk about how his PvT is developing and where he thinks the future is on that matchup.

Lastly, if a controversial subject like sixjax Major is brought up, why can't everyone show the opinions on this? Instead all we got was a single answer from Artosis and they moved on to another topic. What does Tyler think of people who smurf in tournaments? I'd be more interested in the show if everyone wasn't so PC about things. I always am most interested when balance discussions are brought up because everyone has a differing view on the subject. Listening to Day9 argue with Idra doesn't get old.

Anyway, many of these issues are quite minor, but after the great first week since the hiatus I expected a more return to what originally made SotG great. With competing shows going on now, if the quality of SotG continues to suffer, my time will be spent listening to those instead.

On July 21 2011 03:53 setzer wrote:
The last episode was, in my opinion, one of the very worst I have listened to. The lack of humor from people like incontrol/day9, no actual guest like Naniwa and redundant "roles" by JP and Leah just made this episode very, very boring. I don't feel like Leah is qualified to be on the show as a permanent pillar. SotG doesn't need another person to ask questions, we have JP for that. What SotG does need are knowledgeable people that give game insight not many others have. Leah doesn't bring this. I couldn't finish the episode out of boredom.

As someone else said before, this show has become the "state of e-sports" and no longer the "state of the game." For a few weeks now the focus has almost solely been on recent events and large tournaments. I think it is fine to talk about GSL and other every week but it doesn't need to be the focus of every show. I'd rather listen to Tyler talk about how his PvT is developing and where he thinks the future is on that matchup.

Lastly, if a controversial subject like sixjax Major is brought up, why can't everyone show the opinions on this? Instead all we got was a single answer from Artosis and they moved on to another topic. What does Tyler think of people who smurf in tournaments? I'd be more interested in the show if everyone wasn't so PC about things. I always am most interested when balance discussions are brought up because everyone has a differing view on the subject. Listening to Day9 argue with Idra doesn't get old.

Anyway, many of these issues are quite minor, but after the great first week since the hiatus I expected a more return to what originally made SotG great. With competing shows going on now, if the quality of SotG continues to suffer, my time will be spent listening to those instead.

On July 21 2011 04:14 Sgtmt wrote:
I love this show no matter whos on, what they talk about, or if its super exciting or just talking. I'd watch this show if it was JP doing hand puppets on what the State of the Game is. On its worst day its still better than 90% of the stuff out there.

On July 21 2011 03:53 setzer wrote:
The last episode was, in my opinion, one of the very worst I have listened to. The lack of humor from people like incontrol/day9, no actual guest like Naniwa and redundant "roles" by JP and Leah just made this episode very, very boring. I don't feel like Leah is qualified to be on the show as a permanent pillar. SotG doesn't need another person to ask questions, we have JP for that. What SotG does need are knowledgeable people that give game insight not many others have. Leah doesn't bring this. I couldn't finish the episode out of boredom.

As someone else said before, this show has become the "state of e-sports" and no longer the "state of the game." For a few weeks now the focus has almost solely been on recent events and large tournaments. I think it is fine to talk about GSL and other every week but it doesn't need to be the focus of every show. I'd rather listen to Tyler talk about how his PvT is developing and where he thinks the future is on that matchup.

Lastly, if a controversial subject like sixjax Major is brought up, why can't everyone show the opinions on this? Instead all we got was a single answer from Artosis and they moved on to another topic. What does Tyler think of people who smurf in tournaments? I'd be more interested in the show if everyone wasn't so PC about things. I always am most interested when balance discussions are brought up because everyone has a differing view on the subject. Listening to Day9 argue with Idra doesn't get old.

Anyway, many of these issues are quite minor, but after the great first week since the hiatus I expected a more return to what originally made SotG great. With competing shows going on now, if the quality of SotG continues to suffer, my time will be spent listening to those instead.

On July 21 2011 04:58 ronpaul012 wrote:


Okay, I'll take your whining on 1 paragraph at a time.

1st paragraph: Lack of humor is a personal preference. Last night show had some good irony pointed out, but no there wasn't any duh huh huh thats funny moments. And leah is not a permanent pillar, obviously we don't know for sure, but I have to imagine that because day9 was sick they invited her on. And no she doesn't know everything about the game, but she does follow the scene quiet well.

2nd paragraph: Last nights show had more talk of the game more than any episode in a long time. They talked about the 4gate balance and the potential in pvp. They also talked about tvt and how mech is developing. Artosis also talked about the mass stalker pvz that many are using. Doesn't get much more state of the game than that. And when they did talk about esports it was a really solid talk about it.

3rd paragraph: The whole major thing was pretty basic. He acted immature and the entire situation was pointless. If tyler or somebody else had something to add, they would have. And as far as idra and day9 arguing about things, I have to disagree. Idra just says imba, and day9 says nobody is good enough to fully understand the game and only then will we see imba situations. Its just their cycle.

As far as you thinking the shows not entertaining enough, you have to remember that day9 was gone, and artosis is still developing some chemistry. Sorry that there weren't any pointless jokes and a bunch of yelling at each other drama and calling things imba, obviously thats a disappointing show...