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maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
May 25 2011 17:34 GMT
#22541
On May 26 2011 01:52 cybiz wrote:
http://www.justin.tv/liquidhuk/b/286622571
Go to part 2, around 12ish minutes in. Hopefully this will stop the conspiracy theories.

Good video. Naniwa being the funniest person on the planet + teasing Reddit about its conspiracy theories made this into a SotG part 2. ^__^
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 25 2011 17:34 GMT
#22542
On May 25 2011 23:52 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 23:48 corpuscle wrote:
On May 25 2011 23:25 Exarl25 wrote:
The last thing the SC2 community needs right now is more drama, so I hope to hell that these theories of the EG guys being forced away from sotg aren't true.


I really doubt that it has anything to do with EG, any good manager (which Scoots seems to be) would be glad to have their players on a popular show plugging their sponsors and getting the team's name out there. SotG doesn't have any sponsors, so it's not like there's a conflict there.

IdrA needing to be "cleared" to be on next week more likely has to do with his practice schedule for MLG and his other obligations with EGMCS and stuff like that, and Geoff leaving probably is just a matter of being too busy and having to make a tough choice for his own sanity.


If it has nothing to do with it he could come out and say it


Why would he respond to a theory created by trolls for the sole purpose of creating "drama" where there is none? Geoff has learned that you don't argue with fools, unless its fun.
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 25 2011 17:39 GMT
#22543
On May 26 2011 02:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Anyone else find HuK's comment about zerg players learning to use infestors really stupid?

Zergs didn't figure out how to use them...they got buffed.

Really kinda sad these guys are starting to cry imba after just a couple of weeks (where zerg has won one tournament) when they have been dominating zergs for the past 2 months, and zerg players were just "bad and didn't know how to micro". Pretty hypocritical tbh.

Meh, it's all about Huk thinking way too highly of himself. Completely downgrades everyone else. Got a pretty serious napoleon complex. I can't believe he hasn't learned some humility with all the losing.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 25 2011 17:43 GMT
#22544
On May 26 2011 02:39 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 02:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Anyone else find HuK's comment about zerg players learning to use infestors really stupid?

Zergs didn't figure out how to use them...they got buffed.

Really kinda sad these guys are starting to cry imba after just a couple of weeks (where zerg has won one tournament) when they have been dominating zergs for the past 2 months, and zerg players were just "bad and didn't know how to micro". Pretty hypocritical tbh.

Meh, it's all about Huk thinking way too highly of himself. Completely downgrades everyone else. Got a pretty serious napoleon complex. I can't believe he hasn't learned some humility with all the losing.


You're insulting top 3 control =(
The Notorious Winkles
Popss
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden176 Posts
May 25 2011 17:43 GMT
#22545
Gah I just don't see why drop SotG and not ITG instead

You will be missed Incontrol.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 25 2011 17:43 GMT
#22546
I'd have really loved to hear more from the Protoss hosts about infestors =\
They all agreed that they were super good, and borderline overpowered, but In what situations/unit compositions? I play a pretty basic roach/hydra/corruptor/drop style and I only manage to get like 2-3 infestors out when I'm nearing close to max, but now I feel like I'm playing the matchup completely wrong because I'm not utilizing infestors enough in my build. I have no idea where to start when it comes to changing it...
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 25 2011 17:46 GMT
#22547
On May 26 2011 02:39 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 02:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Anyone else find HuK's comment about zerg players learning to use infestors really stupid?

Zergs didn't figure out how to use them...they got buffed.

Really kinda sad these guys are starting to cry imba after just a couple of weeks (where zerg has won one tournament) when they have been dominating zergs for the past 2 months, and zerg players were just "bad and didn't know how to micro". Pretty hypocritical tbh.

Meh, it's all about Huk thinking way too highly of himself. Completely downgrades everyone else. Got a pretty serious napoleon complex. I can't believe he hasn't learned some humility with all the losing.


I don't think HUK takes himself or his comments very seriously. And the fact that a lot of zerg are smashing protoss before infestors are even on the field shows that match up really wasnt that bad.

HUK even said that he didn't think the match up with IMBA, he just wanted to cry like the zergs did because its fun. All 4 protoss agreed that they, the players, needed to come up with a way to beat the zerg players. Thats the opposite of crying inbalance.
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Cotillion12
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada34 Posts
May 25 2011 17:48 GMT
#22548
On May 26 2011 02:43 Tachion wrote:
I'd have really loved to hear more from the Protoss hosts about infestors =\
They all agreed that they were super good, and borderline overpowered, but In what situations/unit compositions? I play a pretty basic roach/hydra/corruptor/drop style and I only manage to get like 2-3 infestors out when I'm nearing close to max, but now I feel like I'm playing the matchup completely wrong because I'm not utilizing infestors enough in my build. I have no idea where to start when it comes to changing it...



You should start watching some of the ROOT Gaming guys. CatZ is starting to really bring into into the mid-game/late game. NP is super strong especially against colossus/stalker balls. Definitely check them out.
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
May 25 2011 17:48 GMT
#22549
On May 26 2011 02:43 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 02:39 DoomsVille wrote:
On May 26 2011 02:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Anyone else find HuK's comment about zerg players learning to use infestors really stupid?

Zergs didn't figure out how to use them...they got buffed.

Really kinda sad these guys are starting to cry imba after just a couple of weeks (where zerg has won one tournament) when they have been dominating zergs for the past 2 months, and zerg players were just "bad and didn't know how to micro". Pretty hypocritical tbh.

Meh, it's all about Huk thinking way too highly of himself. Completely downgrades everyone else. Got a pretty serious napoleon complex. I can't believe he hasn't learned some humility with all the losing.


You're insulting top 3 control =(

LOL did you watch HuKs stream after SOTG? It was naniwa,tyler and Geoff ripping on his play the entire time... It was pretty funny actually. Not that I don't like HuK FYI HuK was pretty cool about it as well.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:00:26
May 25 2011 17:59 GMT
#22550
On May 26 2011 02:43 Tachion wrote:
I'd have really loved to hear more from the Protoss hosts about infestors =\
They all agreed that they were super good, and borderline overpowered, but In what situations/unit compositions? I play a pretty basic roach/hydra/corruptor/drop style and I only manage to get like 2-3 infestors out when I'm nearing close to max, but now I feel like I'm playing the matchup completely wrong because I'm not utilizing infestors enough in my build. I have no idea where to start when it comes to changing it...


You're doing too many things at once with your gas. You can go heavy ling/infestor with constant expansion, 2-base roach pressure into 3 base hive + infestors, etc. But roach/hydra/corruptor/infestor/drop is not feasible unless you are in a commanding macro position.

But be careful since the strength of the infestor is directly proportionate to the lack of control of your Protoss opponent. The supposed "overpowered" nature of this unit will be solved once top-tier Protoss actually start to implement individual unit positioning in matches other than PvP. We've already seen this happen by accident, and players like Select are merely using marine splits with their biomech to severely weaken Fungal Growth.
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ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
May 25 2011 18:06 GMT
#22551
I'm not one to usually believe in conspiracies, but incontrol leaving at this time is really really strange.The fact that he's too busy is kind of hard to believe since he says he might not ever return as a guest. Plus idra had to get cleared to come on sotg? wtf eg... Each piece alone really doesn't mean much, and we have nowhere close to all the evidence. However all of the facts collectively definitely point to eg not letting them be on the show at all. Maybe I'm wrong and theres personal reasons incontrol is leaving, or why idra has to be cleared to come on. And if there are reasons other than eg not wanting them to be on, incontrol should clear the air.
I'm a gooner.
Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
May 25 2011 18:17 GMT
#22552
There goes the only thing incontrol is actually worth thinking about in. Not a great caster or player. Oh well, I didn't tune in very often, but when I did he was my favorite
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
May 25 2011 18:21 GMT
#22553
On May 25 2011 18:40 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 18:30 BeefEU wrote:
Can someone pleeeeaaaaseee get a hold on theintro song of state of the game?

That old-skool BW song is so epic!

I SHALL USE THE POWER OF SIMPLE GOOGLING AND FIND THY TREASURED SONG.

(I think it´s that one, otherwise you can just look through the ones there are in the related. Also, was it really that hard to just google it? You even knew what song it was man...)

too bad you choose the wrong song. and it might be kinda hard to find given that its a custom remix, but i haven't checked.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
May 25 2011 18:21 GMT
#22554
On May 26 2011 02:04 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 01:53 nvs. wrote:
This is almost definately because of time constraints.


Why did he say he might never be a guest again either? Seems like a weird thing to say, given EGMC's and NASL come in seasons and he will have downtime.


He might have other stuff in the pipeline we don't really know about, or he might just want to be able to use his downtime (of which there still isn't much, remember that he's still a full-time coach and progamer) for a much-needed break. He's sort of been blowing up lately, the guy must work like 50-60 hours a week.


Show nested quote +
No one else thinks it's a little weird that he cut out SotG instead of something actually time consuming? 2 hours once a week isn't going to make or break iNcontrol. Seems like the most obvious solution would be to get another full time caster for NASL and Geoff could just come on occasionally. It just seems that if the reasoning behind this is that if inc wanting to play more and focus more on the game, he should have considered giving up by far his most time consuming project of casting for the NASL. Like I said, that 2 hours/week he spent on SotG isn't what is hampering his play or whatever, it's that 30+ for NASL.

* It is perfectly possible that iNcontrol did consider giving up casting for the NASL but it may not be possible. I have no idea. *


Maybe he wants to do NASL more? He's getting paid for it, which is an obvious incentive, and if he's thinking about his long-term career, casting NASL is a much better move than being on SotG.


That's valid and perfectly plausible. But his reasoning was so that he could play more and be a better player and not for any of the reasons you said. Now, with that reason in mind from iNcontrol, does it make sense for him to give up something that is 2 hr/week or something else that is 30+ hr/week if his ultimate goal is to be a better player and neither option helps feed into that goal?

I have nothing but respect for iNcontrol. He is a great player and an awesome guy and I wish him the best in whatever he chooses to do, I'm just disappointed in the way things have to work out.. And I agree that casting is a better fallback than, well, nothing which is what SotG provides as far as a career. I'm sure there are reasons for iNcontrol's decision that we just won't know, which is why I try to refrain from guessing the reasons and instead focused on if I thought the reason his did provide was a fair one. In this case, I don't think it is - at least not by itself.


It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
May 25 2011 18:26 GMT
#22555
On May 26 2011 03:06 ronpaul012 wrote:
I'm not one to usually believe in conspiracies, but incontrol leaving at this time is really really strange.The fact that he's too busy is kind of hard to believe since he says he might not ever return as a guest. Plus idra had to get cleared to come on sotg? wtf eg... Each piece alone really doesn't mean much, and we have nowhere close to all the evidence. However all of the facts collectively definitely point to eg not letting them be on the show at all. Maybe I'm wrong and theres personal reasons incontrol is leaving, or why idra has to be cleared to come on. And if there are reasons other than eg not wanting them to be on, incontrol should clear the air.


you need to keep in mind SirScoot has been in this buisness a long time he knows whats best for the community. everyone complained when he forced nasl to pick grubby axlav machine and incontrol and even were calling it EGSL but as it turns out it was the right move. everyone needs to relax and trust SirScoot knows what hes doing.
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
May 25 2011 18:27 GMT
#22556
On May 26 2011 01:59 Charger wrote:
No one else thinks it's a little weird that he cut out SotG instead of something actually time consuming? 2 hours once a week isn't going to make or break iNcontrol.


This could be the most hilarious comment I've ever read on TeamLiquid (and I mean that in the worst way possible).

I have to almost assume that you are under 18 and have a hard time finding things to occupy your time with. File this comment away... wait a few years... get a job... maybe start a family... and then open this back and and we'll both chuckle together at how absolutely fucking ridiculous your comment is(was).

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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
May 25 2011 18:29 GMT
#22557
On May 26 2011 03:27 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 01:59 Charger wrote:
No one else thinks it's a little weird that he cut out SotG instead of something actually time consuming? 2 hours once a week isn't going to make or break iNcontrol.


This could be the most hilarious comment I've ever read on TeamLiquid (and I mean that in the worst way possible).

I have to almost assume that you are under 18 and have a hard time finding things to occupy your time with. File this comment away... wait a few years... get a job... maybe start a family... and then open this back and and we'll both chuckle together at how absolutely fucking ridiculous your comment is(was).



Haha, I was thinking the exact same thing. Free time is a scarce commodity.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
May 25 2011 18:29 GMT
#22558
It's not as "fucking ridiculous" if you read the entirety of his posts, instead of picking one sentence and making fun of it.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:31:51
May 25 2011 18:29 GMT
#22559
The statement given at the end of SotG was really annoying and 'disrespectful' (To the fan base) in a way IMO. With the longevity of the show and the popular following it now has it sort of pisses me off how much Geoff dumbed down his reason for leaving. You could tell from the get go it was the 'politically correct' statement if anything because it's not consistent with who he is. He's always been one of the hardest working figures in Western E-Sports and he has always been able to manage his day to day scheduling well enough to still place 4th at a major event. How is it even plausible that ~2 hours a week will make or break his career? On top of that he says its doubtful he will even be a guest ever again. This is what got me here, all he has is nice things to say about SotG and it doesn't seem like he really wants his run on the show to come to an end yet. There is other elements at work here, and it's really annoying to someone like myself who started religiously watching SotG because of how funny iNc was to be told some bullshit reason on why he's going to suddenly and COMPLETELY stop all involvement with SotG.

I may have missed why, but why did he choose ITG over SotG?
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DurandaL917
Profile Joined December 2010
United States92 Posts
May 25 2011 18:36 GMT
#22560
say it ain't so Geoff ...
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