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I'm watching the episode right now. Great episode so far, but I wanted to say:
Incontrol, I think you are wrong about MC vs HasuObs.
As far as I remember MC made a 1gate robo and 2 observer and Hasu made 3gate robo and 1 observer. MC started the colossi production earlier. The reason why he could defend it was that he took huge risks in the early game.
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if it means no more unfathomably bad phonecalls from incontrols girlfriend and no more impressions that make me mute the podcast for 5mins at a time, I can live with it. However he did have some good insight to matchups which will certainly be missed.
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On May 25 2011 19:57 Berk wrote: I must admit I was a little sad with this episode. A discussion on balance with 4 players of one race (3 of which are not achieving to a standard they want, the other just lost a major final) is not a balanced discussion. I don't care about going over a balance debate AGAIN but if you do, make it an equal argument (or better discussion). Otherwise it comes across shoddy journalism verging on propaganda.
Was it really that much about balance? That lil bit of ZvP? Where they said that it is just a normal evolution that Zergs are figuring out how to beat Protoss and now seem kind of dominant? Did they complain, say this or that is OP? Sure, the talk was very Protoss focussed, but it was rather about their feeling about what is going on in ZvP and not about balance in particular. Also the question what kind of unit Protoss could use in the expansion is not balance but rather gameflow and playstyle related. So what is the matter? If you are T or Z it may have been boring, but after all the talk about "balance" was so general and broad I don't think anyone should feel hurt.
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On May 25 2011 15:22 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 15:18 Defacer wrote:On May 25 2011 15:11 Jojo131 wrote:On May 25 2011 15:02 dtz wrote:On May 25 2011 15:00 Sc1pio wrote:On May 25 2011 14:58 EnderCraft wrote:On May 25 2011 14:56 Sc1pio wrote: It's pretty illogical to say that Geoff quit SotG just for ITG, not only has he done them both for the past four weeks, he also does NASL, EG MC a bunch, and is a professorial player on top of that, he probably has to cut one of those and he cut the one not directly tied to his team/income. It sucks but that's how it is. Isn't that a blatant contradiction though? He had to cut one, the one that he wasn't sponsored by his team. You can beat around the bush all you want, he picked ITG over SOTG as his show for professional, but logical reasons. My point is that saying he quit SotG for ItG is only a partial view on the actual situation, and thus illogical to draw any sort of conclusion from. But the last statement about IdrA was kind of weird though don't you think. They said that IdrA has been cleared / given permission to appear on next week's SOTG. By that statement alone ( unless someone spoke wrongly), IdrA is forbidden to appear on SOTG. Seeing as Geoff and IdrA is from the same team... Unless cleared was a very funny way of saying that IdrA will be free to appear next week but I somehow doubt it. I can imagine that, by cleared they could be referring to his schedule. You guys are really, really, REALLY reading to much into their choice of words. I think Geoff is a busy guy, with a lot on his plate. Indeed, it is to be expected. It is certainly better for him in almost all aspects... Geoff is bogged down with casting all day, ITG then SOTG, and all the traveling hes been doing for Intel. Geoff is making the right decision leaving SOTG. However, it still bums me out  Sad panda is sad.  I wonder who JP can invite to be the new "Geoff".
Naniwa i hope, he was absolutely hillarious in the after game cast on huk's stream. (though i doubt it)
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On May 25 2011 20:17 The KY wrote: Just got to the bit where they talk about how hard PvZ is and I am laughing my arse off. 4 protoss just whining and I imagine IdrA's face. And I imagine the faces of all the zerg forum whiners who have spent the last 3 months saying everyone knows zerg is broken and here are four protoss pros saying completely without irony that they are having real trouble in what was previously a match up heavily weighted towards them.
I am also imagining Day[9]'s face when everyone realises why he didn't properly argue balance against IdrA...because time is his greatest ally.
Shift in metagame.
Sad that incontrol is leaving, but he's leaving because he's busy which covers everything including money or a different show. Stop crying about his reasons, this is his livelihood, if he needs to stop doing something like sotg to maintain that, no one should judge. I'm gonna miss him on sotg, but he's smart and I'm sure he's making a better decision for his life. Also it probably isn't easy for him to leave no matter what reason so stop hatin'
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I think it's a bit early to say that PvZ has swing to zerg dominance. A GSL final between the best zerg on the planet and a PvP sniper who go DT 3 game in a row, and a light win streak during the new qualifer is definitly not enough to say that..
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On May 25 2011 20:17 The KY wrote: Just got to the bit where they talk about how hard PvZ is and I am laughing my arse off. 4 protoss just whining and I imagine IdrA's face. And I imagine the faces of all the zerg forum whiners who have spent the last 3 months saying everyone knows zerg is broken and here are four protoss pros saying completely without irony that they are having real trouble in what was previously a match up heavily weighted towards them.
I am also imagining Day[9]'s face when everyone realises why he didn't properly argue balance against IdrA...because time is his greatest ally. I know, I would have loved Idra on there explaining how this wasn't actually the game evolving but rather that every single protoss suddenly became shit at the game and that's why zergs are winning.
I really hope this will open people's eyes to the possibility of balance changing without patches.
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On May 25 2011 18:28 Eurekastreet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 17:56 MurMiLLo wrote: Hope you guys realize that Geoff leaving is our faults. I never said anything to harm Geoff or sotg but I should have done something to shut the whining idiots up. Sad to see iNcontroL go as he added fun to sotg with his jokes and impressions. Maybe you're right, but maybe not. I think he's got a thick enough skin not to care about whiners. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that he leaves because a) he has to stop working like a maniac before he gets burned out so he just steps back from whatever he can so he can sleep 5 hours once a week instead of the usual 3. b) JP became full time MLG lately. Geoff is NASL. Both organizations are competitors (or competitors to be) on the Western starcraft scene, and with sponsors pbbly getting bigger all the time, all of them might have their word to say about who does what and when with the money they provide. Probably the same reason why people from different TV channels do not meet regularly. It might not be the reason (yet) but as e-sports will grow and more money gets involved, I guess these things are bound to happen someday. If a replacement ever is to be found, my vote would go to Destiny. He's a good player, articulate, thought provoking - with a crass humor - at times, probably still has some free time to dedicate to that (and could benefit from it) and he's zerg. As long as he refrains from too much imba talk and being too rude, he might possibly make a great pillar for the show. Lots of other great names out there but all those I can think of are too politically correct/dull to make for an entertaining couple of hours.
He seems like perfect fit in terms of the comedy that Incontrol brought and he has a lot of fans so he could easily being in a lot of viewers for SOTG, but I can see lots of people getting upset because he hasn't really been a top competitor in any tournaments.
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On May 25 2011 20:46 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 20:17 The KY wrote: Just got to the bit where they talk about how hard PvZ is and I am laughing my arse off. 4 protoss just whining and I imagine IdrA's face. And I imagine the faces of all the zerg forum whiners who have spent the last 3 months saying everyone knows zerg is broken and here are four protoss pros saying completely without irony that they are having real trouble in what was previously a match up heavily weighted towards them.
I am also imagining Day[9]'s face when everyone realises why he didn't properly argue balance against IdrA...because time is his greatest ally. I know, I would have loved Idra on there explaining how this wasn't actually the game evolving but rather that every single protoss suddenly became shit at the game and that's why zergs are winning. I really hope this will open people's eyes to the possibility of balance changing without patches.
It was actually sad a few weeks ago when IdrA was like 'When zerg wins a game, then we'll talk.' Inc; 'Yeah you're totally right. JP would you like to continue your interview with the winner of the IPL?'
To which IdrA's response was he is 100 times better than all the NA players. Nestea is just better. Ret won Assembly because he's better, he's supposed to win.
5 minutes later, talking Sen vs Naniwa, Inc; 'Funnily enough the zerg won that series...odd...' IdrA; '...you do realise how much better Sen is than Naniwa right?'
I was like...for fucks sakes. Change the record.
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Honestly, I am glad inc is leaving. I usually tend to disagree with 90% of what he says, and although some of his jokes and trolls are funny, his humour is lacking at best. He just didn't add much to the discussion imo.
Looking forward for them to add someone else to the show as a mainstay, hopefully a terran, as I feel the combo of Tyler (P), Day9(R, but mostly Z lets be honest), and [insert interesting sc2 character here] (T) would balance out the show much better.
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Oh that sucks.
Incontrol is great. I love his insight. He's smart, funny and seems like a really nice guy. And i do like the calls from his GF.
So SOTG without him will really lack something. This makes me sad.

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I've been waiting so long for another drunken episode, then they announce It'll be Geoff's last show aswell .8((((((((
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To bad iNcontroL is leaving. He is really one of the guys that starts most of the more intresting discussions with his jokes and very good timeing. Alot of what he says is in my mind really on point even tho alot tend to disagree. But it seems people disagree more because it's iNcontroL saying it and not beacause what he is saying is worng.
Either way great show I hope you can replace iNcontroL with someone just as good and keep the show going because if you don't my wednesday fix is in jepoardy. And that is not good for anyone!
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We'll still see alot of Geoff, but I agree, SoTG won't be the same. I'll be drinking along next week, lets make it a good show :D
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In the post-show today that consisted of some hours of trolling huk, JP offered naniwa the spot as a pillar.
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Too bad that Geoff has to leave the show, but im also happy that he will spending more time playing. But SoTG will not be the same w/o Geoff, im not saying it wont be as good as before but it will be different, its still some awesome people on the show and i think Geoff will be on the show many times as a guest in the future, atleast i hope so  And i really hope that Sean will be on more episodes in the future.
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Did anyone record the post show? :F
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On May 25 2011 19:17 Thugtronik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 15:35 Hrrrrm wrote: Sucks that Incontrol is leaving and I'm not really surprised once I saw ITG pop up. He can sugarcoat it all he wants with being too busy but, he's saying he can't show up for 2-3 hours on a Tuesday or w/e day(JP would totally move the show to a different day if he had to) which is just BS.
Exclusivity was pulled and that's what tends to happen when a scene gets bigger and competition pops up needing more eyeballs for money. Incontrol is wildly popular for his opinion and I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted his opinion limited to one avenue.
I just don't appreciate the whole PR crap about how he wanted more time to practice and was too busy. Everyone creates time for what's important to them and SoTG just wasn't anymore. This was all about money/contracts/obligations and I wish they'd just be honest about it. They won't because it'll reflect negative on the show.
I'd say goodluck to Incontrol but, he doesn't need it. He'll be around for a long time, maybe not as the best player but, as a popular face and opinion. Which is what he's perfectly set himself up to accomplish. what the hell? shut the fuck up. who the fuck are you to say why incontrol made this decision? don't jump to stupid conclusions like "he did it because of money" when you don't have any fucking basis making blind statements like that. the comments in this thread about him leaving are moronic.
lmao wtf rageeeeeeeeee. rofl
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El Oh El at 1:18:26, some guy on Twitter saying 'omg where's IdrA fucking protoss are bitching it's awful, how can they complain when toss is so obviously OP'.
Paraphrasing, but that's the gist.
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Great show the jokes with naniwa made me laugh so much XD Really sad to see Geoff go, but i'm sure if there is a replacement full time pillar they will choose wisely. GOGO Geoff, Tyler, Naniwa at MLG! <3
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