Why is Zerg played less? - Page 15

Wow. I wish I could read all fifteen pages but I really need to be going to sleep and I'm just dieing to make a post it this thread so here it goes.

First of all, I think a lot of people argue against zerg being underpowered just for the sake of arguing. Please stop that as it's not really helping at all.

Secondly, I think posts from anyone, who's not in diamond league, should not even be considered. I mean, face it, if you're not in diamond - you really... REALLY suck! Getting to diamond is the easiest thing in the world, so even posts from a lot of diamond players shouldn't be taken seriously.

The whole: "Blizzard introduced Terran in this campaign, therefore a lot of people play Terran" is irrelevant, as well, since those players aren't skilled enough to determine whether they lost because of true imbalance or because they have 4K minerals in the bank after 10 minutes into the game and are still sitting at ~90 supply with 0-0 upgrades.

Yes, it is harder to play zerg at lower levels. Yes it might turn a lot of newer people off... but what about experienced Brood War players? I mean they know the basics of each race so it shouldn't be as hard... right? Right.

Let's think back to BW. Can you imagine zerg winning without Dark Swarm, occasional well placed plagues, crackling/ultra/lurkers all mixed together? Obviously there were games where Terran either pulled some risky moves or totally got caught off guard by something, therefore losing the game early... but really Zerg couldn't survive without dark swarm and once the game got to that stage it was up to Terran to make something happen. Do you remember how zerg was able to hold off until Hive/Dark Swarm/Ultras? Mutalisk harass keeping terran in his base, delaying his push and forcing him to make turrets while zerg is getting lurkers... the lurkers forcing terran to get siege tanks (unless he has some amazing M&M micro...) vessels, and forcing scans, etc. (Obviously people that just picked up the game wouldn't know anything about it but still would like to "prove" to others that everything is balanced and everyone just needs to "QQ moar/less")

Attacking Terran's third(fourth?) is such a pain in the ass since it's, most likely defended by a PF. What about cannons? Cannons were such a pain in the ass in BW but ling/swarm made it a lot easier to take down. In SC2 there is no Dark Swarm.

In SC2 Muta harass is nearly nonexistent... not by BW standards, at least. Turrets do like 75% more damage to mutas and mutas just feel a lot slower. In BW you could get 11 mutas with +1 and 2 shot turrets and pick off stray marines without too much of a threat (other than mismicro/awesome micro on opponent's part). With improved pathing of SC2 it's basically impossible to pick off marines since they always stay in a tight ball. (Improved pathing also allows siege tanks to kill a shitload of units with a couple of shots! But that's beside the point.) It's also A LOT harder to snipe high templar, etc...

Lurkers. Lurkers had the longest range out of all zerg ground units in BW and also did splash (duuhhrrr, right?). They also posed a threat! You could contain a protoss in his base until he had observers. Contained terran, to a degree, until vessels. Lurkers were an overall great support unit, looked badass and were very fun to use! (Whether in a straight up game or a 2-hatch lurker drop.) Obviously there are no lurkers in SC2... we have a poor excuse of a "splash-dealer" that's called Baneling... which is useless at anything other than busting walls or killing marine balls. Not, zerg has only one unit that has range over 3... which is slow ass hydra... (hydras in ZvT anyone?) XD
Then people use this against the zerg and say: "All these noob zergs mass roaches all game then QQ that they're underpowered..." What should I mass, tell me please!

SC2 zerg are FORCED to spread creep, which I feel should give you a bonus instead of being a requirement to have ANY mobility... (shit like drops/nydus is very situational when compared to other races... I mean medics don't even take spots in dropships anymore... THEY ARE the dropships...) Also, as someone mentioned, zerg macro "abilities/mechanics" don't stact... so it's far more punishing if you forget to spawn larva, than if you forget mule/chrono boost.

Sunken colonies... I mean do you remember how hard it used to be to break like 6 sunken colonies? It used to be Lings+Sunks/Muta/Lurker/Hive tech... Now-a-days, with units like Marauder, "sunken breaks" are so much easier! T_T

Zerg also lack detection... I mean having overlords detect was kind of cheap... but not having overlords detect is horrible too! I mean if all overlords turned into overseers after lair, I guess it would be ok... but meh, who am I to make balance suggestions?

Spells...
Lol zerg spells...... first of all, how easy is it to spot an infestor in a zerg ball? You have to be blind to not see one... How easy is it to see a High Templar or a Ghost in P/T balls? Easy? Oh, go ahead and cloak those ghosts, please! ^^
How is this relevant? How hard is it to snipe a unit that's immobile while it's casting one of its spells? (When it looks like the Infestor, not too hard, I'd imagine...)
Fungal Growth? What's with the poor excuse of plague? It doesn't help when all of the units can be healed and most still have the range to attack your units.
Infested Terrans? Well if you can get those infestors in your opponents main undetected and throw some eggs all over his mineral line - awesome! Other than that, they're pretty shitty tbh.

I'm not going to get into the whole autocast thing and 20 storms/forcefields at the same time.... let's pretend that those are balanced for now...

Zerg is really lacking something... something big! Whether it's lurker/dark swarm or something totally new... but work needs to be done and you just can't deny it.

The fact that you lose to zerg with your mid-diamond skills because you didn't wall off or massed nothing but hellions for 10 minutes doesn't prove the fact that they're not underpowered... it just proves the fact that terran can lose to zerg... lol

When Top-Tier players tell you that the races are imbalanced, I'm pretty sure they're right. We should make a list of all top players who think Z are underpowered. I know a bunch (a lot of them are terran/protoss players).
Saying: "Fuck IdrA/Artosis! Go ask Cool or Gerrard how they feel about zerg!" Doesn't solve anything/make you sound intelligent, because first of all:
-IdrA >> Cool/Gerrard based on his performance in KingOfBeta tourney, where he slayed Tester, who, afaik >>> the whole Prime clan/team... (Cool lost, in GGI, to an unknown Canadian protoss with 60% winrate)
-We also don't know how Cool or Gerrard or Sen or, whoever else is a badass Zerg player out there, feel! They could, as well, complain about imbalance.

PS: I used to love posts during beta that went something like this: "Stop QQ'n noob! It's not the race, it's the player! Zerg are fine!" Then on another post they try to convince someone that: "It's BETA! Obviously the can't be perfectly balanced right now! BW took 10 years to be balanced!"

So.... which one is it?

PSS: I think Zerg are sexy. I love the way they look/feel. I love the challenge but sometimes it's just too much. It's like playing MW2 against a wall-hacker... yeah you feel good after killing him "Hacker owned!!!" but you still do get annoyed eventually!

PSSS: I'm like falling asleep so if anything didn't make sense, please point it out and I'll fix it. I'll definitely add more when I come back to this thread.